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    Is anyone else watching Larry King right now? They're talking about the Duke case, and he's got a panel of guys debating the meaning of the DNA findings. This one ASSHOLE is dismissing everything and saying, "We all know strippers make wild accusations," and talking about how it's so "easy" to make a rape claim. WTF is easy about that?! He speculates that she wanted more money and didn't get it so now she's "doing what strippers and prostitutes are known for." FUCK THIS GUY. I am FURIOUS!! I might actually call into Larry King!


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    Do it Yek, do it!

    Dam it's times like this I wish I had cable! Well I"m on my way to my friends house, hopefully it's still on.







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    I was watching another show about it on a different channel, and one of the men they had on the show said something like "She is a stripper with a criminal history. How can you trust anything she says. She probably wasn't happy with the amount of money that she was paid for her show and wanted to get back at them, so because of her these young men have had their lives ruined." It just pissed me off so bad that I wanted to scream.
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    A female guest is trying to talk about the guys' reputations, and this asshole is accusing her of "slander" and he says that whether they party and drink a lot "has nothing to do with the allegations." Well, what the fuck does the dancer's job have to do with it, other than putting her in the house?? HYPOCRITICAL ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    G-d, I am mad as hell at this guy!! I would throttle him!!

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    WHen I heard about the DNA results on the radio today, I just knew that the stereotypes would fly through the roof! I cringed just thinking about it, it pisses me the f&ck off!

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    People are forgetting that she went to the hospital and had a rape kit done, and she didn't want her family to know she was stripping. I highly doubt she would have outed herself for a false claim, and there's no way she would have had a rape kit done if she was faking! All this means is that someone else raped her.

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    actually if you look at it without emotion not all of us are clean, girl next door types, and this girl may have in fact been exactly what the duke lawyers are saying she is. If thats the case well the players have every reason to attack her credibility.

    I dont want a cracked out loser representing what I do for a living and you shouldnt either.
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    Well, those guys who talk about how easy it is to make a rape claim really just have no idea what making a rape claim actually involves. It's a really unpleasant process, and false claimants (I don't mean those that cannot be proved, but those that can be proved to be false) are treated even more unpleasantly. A trial is even worse. It is certainly not something that you would do for kicks.
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    There are many examples of liars who undertook rape kits. I am not saying that she is lying - I am just saying liars have taken rape kits.

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    Oh come on, I'm so tired of this kind of shit going on in America. You know the girl was raped, yet there are so many people out there who want to defend their rights to rape others and get away with it. It sickens me. Me, I'm not going to get around these types of guys, because that is what they do and everyone knows it, yet when someone calls them on it, you've got eight billion stupid men out there defending the guys who did it. Stop going around these types of guys, girls. Stop dating them and stop giving them anything. Same goes for musicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadisonM
    I was watching another show about it on a different channel, and one of the men they had on the show said something like "She is a stripper with a criminal history. How can you trust anything she says. She probably wasn't happy with the amount of money that she was paid for her show and wanted to get back at them

    What is really sad is there are men on this website of all places saying the exact same thing . I guess there will always be men who refuse to believe that rape happens and that it is a horrible crime.

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    People are forgetting that she went to the hospital and had a rape kit done, and she didn't want her family to know she was stripping. I highly doubt she would have outed herself for a false claim, and there's no way she would have had a rape kit done if she was faking! All this means is that someone else raped her.
    I don't think all of the players at that party have given their DNA samples. I just read elsewhere that some of them have skipped town and some have even left the country. Which by the way is what that guy in CT. did but he was eventually tracked down like 10 years later and then found guilty.

    I agree that she would not have had a rape kit done and outed herself as a dancer/escort and all that goes with it if there was no rape. Doing so over a lie would be not only stupid but
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    In fact, the percentage of people who lie about rape is at about 2% which is the same amount as other crimes. It's only in rape cases that people pull out the stereotype of the angry woman who is just looking to retialiate.

    Only someone truly fucked up would go throught the publicity and the hospital and the police and trial for attention and money. In the end, the publicity will affect her more than the guys. It's so much easier on society to blame the woman for men's behavior , because that way we don't have to admit that this is still such a huge problem.

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    Yeah, why would a woman of "lower-class" make a false, not to mention public claim concerning a rape by some old money, white guys FROM THE SOUTH? Their parents have connections and can make things like this go away easy. Please, we already know that is a battle a woman like that can't win. Why would any woman, esp. a black "STRIPPER" (bad word) put herself in SUCH in a possible position?

    Do we do this just for kicks? We know how society views us. Any woman with one iota of sense knows good and damn well the repercussions of an accusation like this...

    I smell a rat....No wait! I smell about 46 rats.

    P.S. And now everyone is just ignoring the "wall of silence" these bastards put up, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tara Nicole
    What is really sad is there are men on this website of all places saying the exact same thing . I guess there will always be men who refuse to believe that rape happens and that it is a horrible crime.



    I don't think all of the players at that party have given their DNA samples. I just read elsewhere that some of them have skipped town and some have even left the country. Which by the way is what that guy in CT. did but he was eventually tracked down like 10 years later and then found guilty.

    I agree that she would not have had a rape kit done and outed herself as a dancer/escort and all that goes with it if there was no rape. Doing so over a lie would be not only stupid but
    I would SERIOUSLY doubt the guys who DID rape her would have given their samples. I would also SERIOUSLY doubt they got samples from all the partyboys. Particularly the ones who might be guilty. I would REALLY like to see the test results from those who've allegedly skipped town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    I would REALLY like to see the test results from those who've allegedly skipped town.
    Funny, I would just like to know if this acutally happened, since it was only mentioned as specualtion in a different thread.

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    Just so we have the facts, all 46 white Duke lacrosse guys submitted their DNA, no one skipped out; the only one not tested was a black lacrosse player becuase the womens claim was that all of her attackers were white.

    I found this info as well I didn't know before:

    The woman in this case, a 27-year-old mother of two, attends N.C. Central University, where she's studying to be a criminal lawyer, she was in the Navy.

    At 19, she married, but got separated two months later. She was divorced about a year later.

    In 2002, she was working at a topless club in Durham, when she stole a cab driver's car keys while giving him a lap dance, according to a police report. When the driver went to the bathroom, she drove off in the cab and led police on a lengthy car chase. In the process, she smashed into a patrol car and attempted to drive through a fence, but was eventually arrested after her car got a flat tire. She tested at 0.19, more than twice the alcohol limit.

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    How is her past relevant? It may be unfortunate, but anyone can be raped. Being an alcoholic doesn't make her necessarily a liar. And it certainly doesn't make it less likely that she was sexually assaulted. I'm pretty sure that can happen to any woman in the wrong situation. It's bad luck- it isn't her 'having it coming'.

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    Is anyone pulling up the criminal records of the men involved? Though, as rich white boys I'm sure all their previous charges were dropped!

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    Quote Originally Posted by forbiddenthoughts
    "im so sick of extras girls"

    "im so sick of skanks"

    "dont trust these girls keep to urself"

    "this slut at my work stole my purse in the locker room"
    The problem at this party was that she WASN'T an extras girl. If she were, they wouldn't have to stonewall the investigation. No sex no crime! They would hae copped a feel, instead of raising a ruckus and escalating to violence.

    "theres SO much DRAMA at my club these girls make up ANYTHING to hate on eachother"
    Neighbors heard the partygoers hating on her. You know, screaming racial epithets. They looked pretty dramatic to their fellow students that night. Not her.

    "waahhh im mad cuz this guy just said the SAME THING we say ALL THE TIME"
    This isn't in the club or drama or childish. It's real life. Do you think she made up the wannabe Hannibal Lecter e-mail too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kinda_normal_guy
    Just so we have the facts, all 46 white Duke lacrosse guys submitted their DNA, no one skipped out;
    The DNA wasn't collected the night of the attack from everyone present. It was collected from all of the players days after. All the campus parties I've gone to (sorority, frat, and student union) there's ALWAYS some knuckleheads crashing. They tend to be the troublemakers every time.

    In 2002, she was working at a topless club in Durham, when she stole a cab driver's car keys while giving him a lap dance, according to a police report. When the driver went to the bathroom, she drove off in the cab and led police on a lengthy car chase. In the process, she smashed into a patrol car and attempted to drive through a fence, but was eventually arrested after her car got a flat tire. She tested at 0.19, more than twice the alcohol limit.
    Ha! Sounds like a typical college prank. That same behavior from a trust fund baby like Paris Hilton gets a TV show and a few million viewers. Youthful stupidity is not the same as lifelong stupidity. Most people grow dramatically from 23 to 27. That's why they had to go back so far to find her one conviction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kinda_normal_guy
    Just so we have the facts, all 46 white Duke lacrosse guys submitted their DNA, no one skipped out; the only one not tested was a black lacrosse player becuase the womens claim was that all of her attackers were white.
    Sorry, but Durham City Councilmember and attorney Howard Clement III says otherwise. In last week's council meeting, Clement clearly stated that he had heard that not all players had submitted DNA and that some had skipped the state and country.

    Yesterday, the defense attorneys clearly stated: "all the players tested" received negative matches. They have also stated that "all the players" have been tested.

    Sorry, but I've spent quite a lot of time working with lawyers on contracts, disputes, and press releases when there were millions of dollars on the line - lawyers representing a subset of players can and will make very misleading statements in order to play to the court of public opinion.

    Why? Because it makes thier clients feel better in public. These rich types have already figured out all of thier outs (including a Kobe style payoff) and are now just putting pressure on the gal to negotiate down.

    It's ridiculous for the defense attorneys to call for the DA to stop his investigation. At an absolute minimum, he has all the evidence he needs to get convictions of assault & battery.


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    It's amazing how (as a generalization) our backgrounds lead our thoughts on emotional cases like this...I personally don't have an opinion one way or another on the case YET!!! We have NO idea if a rape happened or not...we should not be crucifying the players (even though I hate Duke) until we know for sure...we should not be crucifying the dancer until we know for sure either. What happens if she comes out and admits it was all a lie? Or that the evidence proves there was no rape? And on the other hand, what happens if someone steps forward to admit wrongdoing or the evidence points to that fact? We have no idea what really happened and I don't think we should be judging either party until we know the facts!! Whatever happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"???? Dancers point out all the time that they hate being judged for what they do for a living, that people are judging the book by its cover!! Well, why not offer that same attitude toward this situation? Don't judge them until we know the facts!

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    This African-American woman went to the lacrosse party, did not feel comfortable, decided to leave, was lured back in by "niceness" and the promise of money, and when in there was subjected to brutalization by white thugs who ended up doing things to her that they thought a black stripper in their house should be subjected to, maybe she "likes it." There were some rapist thugs in the crowd.


    This African-American woman went to the lacrosse party after having a rough night already, did not feel comfortable, decided to leave, was lured back in by "niceness" and the promise of money, and while in there did her thang, maybe a little dirtier than normal, and after leaving decided that the real $$ lay in concocting a story about how she was brutalized at this party by rich white boys, which she proceeded to do.


    Who among us has the evidence to believe one of these stories over the other, right now? I certainly don't. Either one could have happened as far as I know.

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    I am sure I will come under attack by a lot of people on this thread but, I'm going to add my two cents anyway...

    I'm not sure what happened at the party (no one is except those directly involved) however, I don't think either side (the girl or the team) make for very credible witnesses...

    I find it hard to believe the girl entirely based on: one, her background (because yes, it is relevant)... It provides a character assesment for a jury if the case goes to trial... two: many of her bruises and wounds were there before she went to the party in the first place (as proved by photos taken when she first arrived)... So, why is this girl going to another party all beat up in the first place (sounds like something shady to me)...

    The guys involved or allegedly involved are sticking together in silence, and then there is the whole email thing...

    Being involved in this industry I KNOW there are shady dancers out there... I am not stereotyping, I am stating a fact... I think its too easy to take her side based on the fact she is part of this industry... That makes us exactly the same as the players on the team sticking by their "people"...

    I just think this situation should be viewed in a non-biased objective manner... Which is hard to do when the media spotlights the "stripper" aspect of the story...

    Sorry if I upset/offended anyone... I'm not trying to step on anyones toes, just speaking my opinion. Just wanted to get my voice out there from a female dancer perspective who is siding with the men on this one...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bella622
    I.. two: many of her bruises and wounds were there before she went to the party in the first place (as proved by photos taken when she first arrived)... So, why is this girl going to another party all beat up in the first place (sounds like something shady to me)...

    I can alter the time and date on my camera after the pic is taken so I don't consider those photos proof of anything other than she had been beat up sometime prior to reporting the rape.

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