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    Default Gas in Arizona now $3.00/gal.?

    Gasoline in Arizona hit $3.06 a gal today (April 14, 2006)? In central Illinois it is still $2.75/ gal. Is it true the gas prices out west went up 60 cents in ONE day?

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    As of 1pm, I saw $2.69/gallon in Tucson.
    I heard they went up $.12 overnight.



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    Default Re: Gas in Arizona now $3.00/gal.?

    Here's gas prices for the Phx area:

    Lowest Regular Gas Prices in the Last 48 Hours
    Price Station Area Time
    • 2.57 Sams Club Gilbert 11:22 PM
    • 2.57 Costco Gilbert 11:20 PM
    • 2.59 Costco Tolleson 2:29 PM
    • 2.60 Sams Club Peoria 5:08 PM
    • 2.60 Sams Club Phoenix - West 6:33 AM
    • 2.61 Sams Club Phoenix - Central 5:08 PM
    • 2.61 Costco Phoenix - East 5:01 PM
    • 2.63 Mobil Mesa 1:41 PM
    • 2.63 Am Pm Phoenix - East 9:55 AM
    • 2.63 Am Pm Tempe 4:01 PM
    • 2.63 Sams Club Chandler 2:48 PM
    • 2.63 Am Pm Tempe 9:08 AM
    • 2.63 Diamond Shamrock Gilbert 8:31 AM
    • 2.63 Circle K Gilbert 6:51 AM
    Highest Regular Gas Prices in the Last 48 Hours
    Price Station Area Time
    • 3.05 Tumbleweed Phoenix - NE 7:03 AM
    • 2.99 Happy Food Mart Mesa 11:49 AM
    • 2.95 Union 76 Sun City 11:05 AM
    • 2.89 Spark Fuel Mesa 4:38 PM
    • 2.89 Shell/Dairy Queen Maricopa 4:05 PM
    • 2.89 red dog fuels Phoenix - Central 1:10 PM
    • 2.89 Gas & Foodmart Phoenix - NW 12:36 PM
    • 2.89 GRAND SPEEDY Sun City 11:06 AM
    • 2.89 Spark Fuel Tempe 10:40 AM
    • 2.89 Marino's Auto Repair Sun City 10:01 AM
    • 2.89 Spark Fuel Mesa 8:38 AM
    • 2.89 Blue Diamond Gas Chandler 8:38 AM
    • 2.89 Glendale Mini Mart Glendale 8:36 AM
    • 2.89 Blue Diamond Fuel Chandler 5:27 AM
    • 2.89 Fast Gas Mart Tempe 4:17 PM


    It's risen an average of $0.35 in the last month

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    Default Re: Gas in Arizona now $3.00/gal.?

    I'm not in AZ, but it actually went down here 4 cents today to $2.66. I topped off my tank because usually within 48 hours of these small price drops, it usually shoots up 10-12 cents.

    It's getting pretty sad when I'm pondering on using a dollar cost averaging strategy to fill up my vehicle and grimacing that it actually cost me 16 cents to drive it to the station (1.5 miles) and back.
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    Eh...it's holding steady at around $2.79 here in the middle of Texas. I suspect it'll be going up before it goes back down, though. *Sigh*

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    Default Re: Gas in Arizona now $3.00/gal.?

    I saw $2.93 last night in NYC. That is higher than it has been in while now.

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    Default Re: Gas in Arizona now $3.00/gal.?

    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish
    I'm not in AZ, but it actually went down here 4 cents today to $2.66. I topped off my tank because usually within 48 hours of these small price drops, it usually shoots up 10-12 cents.

    It's getting pretty sad when I'm pondering on using a dollar cost averaging strategy to fill up my vehicle and grimacing that it actually cost me 16 cents to drive it to the station (1.5 miles) and back.
    LOL! Wait till you start filling up fuel tanks to store so you can mix 2.69 gas with 3.00 gas and feel like you are getting the better of em...

    I have to admit I have done it!

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    Default Re: Gas in Arizona now $3.00/gal.?

    Well - they got to raise the prices - how is this man going to get his $400,000,000.00 retirement package if we demand lower prices?




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    Default Re: Gas in Arizona now $3.00/gal.?

    I filled up yesterday and it was $2.79 a gallon for regular here in Albuquerque. What the hell is up with the price of gas? The fat cats in the oil biz just sit back and laugh while they rake in the cash because they know we will keep buying fuel because we are dependent on it......sooo sad

    I did hear on a talk radio station that if everyone in the country would not by gas for one day on the same day each month that this "boycot" on big oil companies would really put a dent in their pockets!! Sounds noble but I don't think anyone could promote the people of America to take part in such a huge project. It would be really cool though!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pole Lady

    I did hear on a talk radio station that if everyone in the country would not by gas for one day on the same day each month that this "boycot" on big oil companies would really put a dent in their pockets!! Sounds noble but I don't think anyone could promote the people of America to take part in such a huge project. It would be really cool though!!
    Either they were joking or their ignorant to the fact that this kind of boycott doesn't work. If everyone were able to boycott for a month or two months, then it would put a dent but one day, even once a month, makes absolutely no dent whatsoever. Obviously nobody will be able to go a month without gas and while most people can go a day, if they need gas on the "boycott" day, they'll fuel up the day before or the day after so it would all balance out in the end. The whole concept of a day-long boycott making an impact is a complete hoax.

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    Default Re: Gas in Arizona now $3.00/gal.?

    Despite what you hear on the (contaminated) news, gas prices were designed to be incresed dramatically to get the public used to paying more and consuming the same amount. Thanks our big business CONTROLLED govt and media for that. Plus prices conveniently go up when people will be driving more.(ie: Easter through October)

    It used to be that gas prices were lower in major cities and higher in smaller towns but that doesn't hold true anymore.

    Gas is about 2.64 9/10 in Iowa where I am this week. It went up .09 since Wednesday.

    Needles CA has the highest gas prices in the nation. It probably is $3.50 a gallon there, but you drive under the tunnel one mile into Arizona and it is always about .80-$1.00 a gallon less.

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    Default Re: Gas in Arizona now $3.00/gal.?

    I did hear on a talk radio station that if everyone in the country would not by gas for one day on the same day each month that this "boycot" on big oil companies would really put a dent in their pockets!! Sounds noble but I don't think anyone could promote the people of America to take part in such a huge project. It would be really cool though!!
    Set aside the need for fuel in transportation and just look at what's being suggested--that somehow, the big, bad, evil, baby-impaling oil companies will suffer from a massive loss of revenue from a one-day boycott of gasoline. In reality, since there's very little excess production or refining capacity, all that means is that oil companies will adjust their output and production to compensate for the small hiccup in demand. The price won't change appreciably if at all.

    Besides, I don't remember anyone bitching about how little money oil companies were making in the 90s when oil was trading at $10/bbl and I don't remember any Congressional hearings either.
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    Default Re: Gas in Arizona now $3.00/gal.?

    People can do something about it - but it is a total change of lifestyle - something many of the commercially brain-washed will have a problem with.

    Also, join a biodiesel group in your area - or if there is none - make one. Or create a gas co-op. Those are the two options - opt out of gas all together or opt out of the usual distribution system.

    Otherwise they know they have ya.

    Hell, there might come a day when you can order a 55 gal drum of biodiesel and have it delivered by the local Propane company.

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    Default Re: Gas in Arizona now $3.00/gal.?

    OK, since this is a financial forum, lets talk seriously about the economics of gasoline. The fact is that it's illegal to sell just plain gasoline everywhere in the USA. In order to sell gasoline, it has to be blended with oxygenating and other agents as specified by the particular state/city in order to reduce emissions from exhaust pipes. This has given rise to a so-called 'Heinz 57' of necessary different gasoline blends (actually the total number of regional blends is something like 40). During the hurricane Katrina aftermath the gov't temporarily rescinded environmental laws and reduced the required number of blends to 6, which provided gasoline refiners with the ability to run large batches of blended gasoline. THIS decision was largely responsible for the rapid decline in gasoline price last fall. However, the temporary ruling has now expired, and 40 different 'summer blends' of gasoline are again required after May 1st (which are different from the 'winter blends' which can no longer be sold past April 30th) l

    To complicate matters further, the gov't refused to indemnify refiners who continue to use the fuel additive MBTE from cancer lawsuits. As a result, America's largest refiner VALERO simply said the hell with it and is no longer refining any gasoline blends with MBTE as the oxygenate additive. As a result, the only 'practical' alternative for use as an oxygenating additive is alcohol, and VALERO is now using huge volumes of alcohol for that purpose.

    Unfortunately, to begin with, ethanol is more expensive than MBTE during 'normal' market conditions. However, VALERO and other refiners deciding to no longer take the risk of using MBTE and going to the market for huge quantites of alcohol to replace the MBTE has overwhelmed the available fuel grade alcohol supply. The huge increase in demand for fuel grade alcohol has also overwhelmed the tank truck capacity of the alcohol distillers to ship it. Currently, arrangements are being made to attempt to import additional fuel grade alcohol from Brazil, with associated higher price due to shipping cots and US import tariffs.

    Thus not only has their been a significant increase in blended gasoline prices due to the substitution of more expensive alcohol for the formerly used MBTE, but there is also a significant risk of blended gasoline shortages over this summer as alcohol stocks in storage are quickly being depleted and existing alcohol distilling capacity is insufficient to meet the ongoing need for fuel grade alcohol fuel additive. While new alcohol distilleries are being built, most of the additional distilling capacity will not actually come online until 2007. However, even with it does and there will (hopefully) be enough total alcohol distilling capacity to keep up with the needs of VALERO and other gasoline refiners, the fact remains that alcohol fuel additive is more expensive to produce and will permanently increase the price of blended gasoline.

    In addition to the fuel oxygenate issue, there is also the issue that the gov't has greatly tightened the permissible ppm's of sulfur in American diesel fuel. Meeting this tighter requirement means that certain types of crude oil are no longer suitable for refining into diesel fuel, which in turn makes heavier demamds of crude oil supplies which are inherently lower in sulfur. Considering that the 'best' low sulfur crude oil supply is in distress (i.e. Nigeria), the market price of low sulfur crude oil is getting bid up - which directly affects diesel and gasoline prices.

    If US alcohol supplies and US low sulfur fuel supplies are insufficient to keep pace with demand, similar to what happened last fall due to the hurricane damaging wells and refineries, then the shortfall will have to be made up by importing additional supplies from europe ... which will create even more upward price pressure due to the extra shipping and other costs involved. Of course, blended gasoline from other parts of the world may still contain MBTE and will probably not meet the 'Heinz 57' requirements, such that certain states and cities with unusual blend requirements like California an New York will not have the option of using imported gasoline to alleviate shortages ... which probably explains why the price of existing 'Heinz 57' summer blend gasoline in California and New York has already exceeded $3.00 per gallon. In the meantime, stocks of 'standard blend' gasoline which cannot be sold in California and New York are actually at near-record levels !



    My point here is to provide some seldom publicized facts in regard to the true economics of blended gasoline, where gov't policies have far more to do with the price being charged at the pump than oil company executives.
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    here's a news story on the ethanol situation ... note the price of the US tariff against Brazilian sugar cane based ethanol, and the cost of the US gov't subsidy for American corn based ethanol ...

    "Raymond J. Learsy: Bravo Washington! Addicting Us to Duty-Free Oil; Placing a Tariff on the Ethanol Cure Raymond J. Learsy
    Fri Apr 14, 12:28 PM ET

    Quite rightly, if a bit late, President Bush has endorsed ethanol as an alternative to gasoline. He now supports financing for "cutting-edge methods of producing ethanol, not just from corn but wood chips and stalks or switch grass," and he wants to make it economically competitive within six years. Which is all well and good, but the government's policies actually discourage Americans from buying ethanol from Brazil, where it's already competitive, or even from investing in Brazilian ethanol. It sounds insane, and it is -- but it's true.

    Brazil makes ethanol from sugar cane, which is far more efficient than our corn-based ethanol. The basic fact is that alcohol from corn provides only 30 percent more energy than it takes to make it, but sugar-based ethanol yields fully 8.3 times as much energy as it uses. What's more, the power that turns sugar into ethanol is generated by burning the squeezed-out stalks of the cane. Economists say Brazil's ethanol can compete with gasoline as long as the oil price stays above $30 a barrel (less than half of today's quoted price). And research continues; producers hope that genetically modified cane will soon be even more efficient.

    Most Brazilian cars these days are run by flex-fuel motors, which can use gasoline, ethanol, or any mixture of the two, giving their owners freedom to buy whichever fuel is cheaper. Filling stations have two sets of pumps, marked A for alcohol and G for gas. Vast fields of sugar cane have replaced thousands of acres of played-out pasture land, and byproducts of cane production are used to help fertilize the soil. Thanks to its domestic ethanol production, a responsive automobile industry and government, Brazil expects to be energy self-sufficient this year.

    Brazil is more than willing to share its expertise and technology. If ethanol is to become a commodity, says Eduardo Carvalho, director of the National Sugarcane Agro-Industry Union, there must be many big buyers and sellers in an international marketplace. "We are not interested in becoming the Saudi Arabia of ethanol," he says.

    So why aren't Americans buying Brazil's ethanol, investing in its production, and applying Brazilian technology to energy sources more promising than corn-based ethanol? Look to our oil and agribusiness lobbyists for the answer. Their cozy relationships in Washington have resulted in a punitive tax of 54 cents a gallon on imported ethanol, not to mention huge federal subsidies to farmers that can total 61 cents a gallon for making ethanol from corn.

    Even with that legalized distortion standing in the way of investment, Brazil's ethanol is so alluring that agribusiness giants including Cargill and Archer Daniels Midland and others are showing interest in spite of barriers blocking access to the American market. After all cars are driven elsewhere as well.

    But if we were really serious about weaning ourselves from fossil fuels, it would make a lot more sense to drop the duty on imports, stop subsidizing corn-based ethanol if the flip side of that necessitates blocking ethanol imports from Brazil or elsewhere. As far as the oil industry is concerned one only need look at their bottom line to understand, taken together with their billions of Government support, how badly they need protection from the "predatory competition" of Brazil's ethanol. It is past time to seriously begin applying Brazilian technology, distribution and infrastructure lessons to all promising sources of ethanol, thereby opening our markets to this alternative to the oil based gasoline to which we have become addicted.

    Mr. President, enough talk. Let's walk the walk."

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    I filled up this morning and the gas ranged between $2.79 for regular unleaded to $3.04 for high grade .

    That is a nearly $.20 more than just last week in my neighborhood !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    People can do something about it - but it is a total change of lifestyle - something many of the commercially brain-washed will have a problem with.
    All too true unfortunately

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    Default Re: Gas in Arizona now $3.00/gal.?

    Oil in early trading (Monday April 17th) hit $70 a barrel on the markets. This is a high guidepost in the market, although oil exceeded $70 a barrel after the hurricane season last year. I see retail gas prices around the country at $3.00 by end of April. Waddya think? $4.00 in July or $3.50 in June, July and August???

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    Default Re: Gas in Arizona now $3.00/gal.?

    make it $4

    people need something to bitch about

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    Default Re: Gas in Arizona now $3.00/gal.?

    Geez, gas prices in the US are getting closer to what we pay here!

    Right now in TO we're paying 92.9 cents / litre. At 3.785 litres to the US gallon that's $3.51. Those are $CDN but since our wages are in $CDN we'll ignore the exchange...

    Toronto is one of the cheapest places in Canada to buy gasoline. In some places in Quebec they're paying upwards of $4.39.

    I remember gas being around the $1.50 $US per gallon mark, not all that long ago!!

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    Default Re: Gas in Arizona now $3.00/gal.?

    No shit really? We just paid $2.65 yesterday....
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    Default Re: Gas in Arizona now $3.00/gal.?

    i cant wait until the economy wont be backed up by OIL anymore...
    btw i heard in 50 years the supplies wont be enough ... maybe they will finally release all the alternatives to gas ... hydrogen,,, power... i hate the oil mafia.

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    Default Re: Gas in Arizona now $3.00/gal.?

    Melonie, you are on top of things girl!! You always give great info when it comes to money........... do you have a Business degree?

    Thanks for a real insight into what's going on with gas prices!!

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    Thanks for a real insight into what's going on with gas prices!!
    There's no special talent or brainpower involved, you simply have to ferret out the related news items which are NOT being promoted by mainstream news media along with those that are ! Doing this also leads to investment opportunities i.e. buying stocks of alcohol producing companies just before the stock prices start to rise.


    Right now in TO we're paying 92.9 cents / litre. At 3.785 litres to the US gallon that's $3.51. Those are $CDN but since our wages are in $CDN we'll ignore the exchange...
    at a 1.14 exchange rate, that would equal US$ 3.08 per gallon, which is in the same ballpark as gasoline prices in NY, LA etc. TO gasoline is, in part at least, priced on the 'high side' for North America as a whole for the same reason ... high taxes !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pole Lady
    I filled up yesterday and it was $2.79 a gallon for regular here in Albuquerque. What the hell is up with the price of gas? The fat cats in the oil biz just sit back and laugh while they rake in the cash because they know we will keep buying fuel because we are dependent on it......sooo sad


    The price of oil is not determined by the oil companies directly. It is determined in the trading pits of oil trading exchanges all over the world. EVERYONE on the planet is paying more for oil. And contrary to your "fat cats in the oil biz" nonsense, American oil companies are not the only companies drilling for or producing oil in the world. (Or benefiting from the increased price of oil, for that matter.)

    So who you gonna bitch about now? The Norwegian fat cats? Or the Nigerian fat cats? How about the Iranian fat cats? Or the venezuelan fat cats? Or the Mexican fat cats? Russian fat cats, perhaps?
    Quote Originally Posted by Pole Lady
    I did hear on a talk radio station that if everyone in the country would not by gas for one day on the same day each month that this "boycot" on big oil companies would really put a dent in their pockets!! Sounds noble but I don't think anyone could promote the people of America to take part in such a huge project. It would be really cool though!!
    Or everyone could reduce their driving 10% - 20%--which would NOT be hard. If everyone doubled their purchases when they went shopping (I double or triple) then they would have to go shopping half as much. Half as much shopping means less gas consumption.

    Oh yeah, the Federal government could consider reimposing a 55-mph maximum speed limit like they did in the 1970s (I think it was) to conserve fuel. But you'd probably complain about that, too.

    Ah, too bad the people don't care about conservation. Oh no, they've got to buy their big V8 SUVs that get 15 mph. They can't take the bus to work or carpool. They've got to drive that big ol' truck and be the only one in it.

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