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    How do you find out the laws concerning dancing in your state......like what is concidered prostitution? I read the thread concerning the young lady who was charged with prostitution because she did a dance with another girl, but did not touch the custy and this got me thinking!! Does anyone have some info concerning this??!!


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    This is an excellent idea. I'd like to know the rules in my state (texas) after hearing many horror stories about raids and being charged with prostitution. but... perhaps google would help?

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    finding the law is fairly easy ... it's knowing how to read it, or knowing what the law doesn't say versus what it does say, which makes all the difference. Under texas state prostitution law, the law doesn't say that the person paying the money also needs to be one of the persons engaging in 'sexual contact' (defined elsewhere under Texas law, and covering everything from bare breast touching on up). Thus under texas state law, if a customer is tipping at the rail, and if two dancers are on stage together, and if one dancer happens to touch the other dancer's breast, then technically both dancers can be charged with prostitution !

    Lots of state laws also don't specify that clothing makes a difference, thus technically a dancer doing a contact lap dance against a customer's pubic area in exchange for money can be charged with prostitution !

    The bottom line is that, other than a handful of squeaky clean zero contact clubs, stuff that clubs and dancers consider to be 'normal course of business' can be interpreted as technically breaking the law. If a cop or DA get a bug up their ass, the fact that such laws have never been enforced over the past 10 years doesn't make one speck of difference when dancers are busted and taken before a local judge.

    I highly recommend spending $100 or whatever and having a consultation with a local criminal attorney. Not only can the attorney fill you in on how local laws could possibly be interpreted, but perhaps more importantly he can tell you about the local 'climate' in regard to 'strippers' and clubs. Perhaps most important of all, you'll have the attorney's card in your purse if/when you are busted ... and if you drop the local attorney's name immediately to the arresting officer they may think twice about booking you.

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    Can state laws be different from city or county laws? I'm not sure what Wisconsin state laws are (I only know what I am and am not allowed to do in my particular club) but if city laws are different from the state law, which ones are supposed to be followed? For example, if state law would say that if I touch another dancer that is prostitution, but the city law says that it's only prostitution if I touch a customer, then should I just stay safe and follow the more restrictive state law?
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    yes individual counties and cities can enact their own ordinances, which can impose stricter limitations than state laws. County and city ordinances cannot ever be more 'lenient' than state laws (or at least county and city ordinances which are constitutional LOL).

    When you refer to what you're 'allowed and not allowed to do' in the club you're working at, keep in mind that club rules have no legal bearing whatsoever.

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    Madison, it's tricky, because if you get arrested on a city/county violation, they can still charge you with a STATE violation...

    It's best to read through all of them and see how well you can do your job within those lines.

    And, what Melonie says about paying the consultation fee for getting it spelled out for you from a QUALIFIED criminal lawyer who specializes in prostitution (a tax attorney won't be as well versed) is the best way to go.

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    Can anyone tell me what the difference between bylaw officers and actual police officers in the club means? We usually have regular city cops around to do checks now and then, but recently we had bylaw officers instead. And they stayed there for over three hours. Is there no difference in terms of arrest? I was under the impression that only police officers could arrest someone, while bylaw officers can impose fines (there have been no arrests or 'raids' of my club, although I know the club had to pay a bylaw fine for a smoking thing, but I was just curious what it means for us dancers).

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    Hmmmm...that must be a Canadian thing. The only people who can make arrests in the States are sworn in police officers (federal agents, etc).

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    After a search, this is all I could find:

    (a) The Senior RCMP Officer will schedule all shifts of the Cambridge Bay By-Law Enforcement Department (By-Law Officers);
    (b) Under the supervision of the Senior RCMP Officer, the By-Law Officers will conduct patrols, investigations and enquires of the Hamlet with respect to the Hamlets By-laws;
    (c) The Senior RCMP Officer will be responsible for the supervision, discipline and recruiting By-law officers with the assistance of the Senior Administrative Officer;
    (d) The By-law Officers will make all required reports to the Senior RCMP Officer;
    (e) The Senior RCMP Officer will make these reports part of their monthly report to Council;
    (f) Perform such duties as may from time to time be designated by the Senior Administrative Officer and the Senior RCMP Officer;
    (g) Represent the Hamlet in the prosecution of any person charged with contravening a Hamlet By-law.
    By-Law – No. 182 Delegate By-Law Officer Page 2

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    ^^thanks Venus. I think those are more applicable to smaller areas though? When I lived in rural areas, our police officers were RCMP (that's the federal division)...In Ontario, we have three divisions: RCMP (federal), OPP (provincial), and city cops...I've only seen city cops in the club and now these bylaw people. It seems weird that they'd answer to the RCMP, but this could all be a residual effect of the fact that my club has a case in appeals right now regarding the city's attempts to change dancing laws (from some contact to strict non-contact). I'll just play it safe as I can, and dance two feet away when anyone in uniform is there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mollyzmoon
    ^^thanks Venus. I think those are more applicable to smaller areas though? When I lived in rural areas, our police officers were RCMP (that's the federal division)...In Ontario, we have three divisions: RCMP (federal), OPP (provincial), and city cops...I've only seen city cops in the club and now these bylaw people. It seems weird that they'd answer to the RCMP, but this could all be a residual effect of the fact that my club has a case in appeals right now regarding the city's attempts to change dancing laws (from some contact to strict non-contact). I'll just play it safe as I can, and dance two feet away when anyone in uniform is there.

    Do you dance in Windsor or Niagara Falls ?

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    Default Re: Laws in your State

    What kind of attorney would you look for? What would the law specialty be called? Would it be exotic dancer attorney? I know there's divorce attorney's, corporate attorney's, etc. and was wondering what "type" of attorney and where would be a good resource to find one.

    Also, when doing investigating online to see what the state's laws are, what category would you look under? I didn't see anything that said ordinances and I did a search on for laws on stripping, exotic dancers, strip clubs, adult entertainment and couldn't find anything that would help me at all.

    Does anyone have any info for both of my questions?

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    I dance in Ottawa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leogirl876
    What kind of attorney would you look for? What would the law specialty be called? Would it be exotic dancer attorney? I know there's divorce attorney's, corporate attorney's, etc. and was wondering what "type" of attorney and where would be a good resource to find one.

    Also, when doing investigating online to see what the state's laws are, what category would you look under? I didn't see anything that said ordinances and I did a search on for laws on stripping, exotic dancers, strip clubs, adult entertainment and couldn't find anything that would help me at all.

    Does anyone have any info for both of my questions?
    I've already covered this...PLEASE READ!!!

    You would go to a CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY who specializes in PROSTITUTION.

    When looking at laws you would look for prostitution laws. No one ever got arrested and charged with "exotic dancing", but dancers do get arrested and charged with "prostitution".

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    As Venus says, 'prostitution' and 'lewd conduct' laws can be found in the state criminal statues ... most states have websites which list these laws in their entirety. Local county and city ordinances will probably not be found on the web at all ... you'll have to request a copy in person at city hall or the county clerk's office.

    In regard to 'by-law' officers in Canada, the USA actually does a similar thing in regard to using health dep't / codes / alcohol inspectors to enforce civil laws and local ordinances. It's entirely possible (and especially so since new anti-smoking laws are being enacted in lots of states/cities) for an inspector to be in a club on the premise of checking for illegal smoking or illegal alcohol service and citing dancers for violation of local lap dance ordinances etc. These officers do not have the authority to cite dancers for criminal violations of state laws i.e. prostitution or lewd conduct, but they can definitely cite you for state civil law (like violating distance restrictions in places where alcohol is served) or local ordinance violations (i.e. distance, 'exposure', contact) .

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