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    The question comes to my mind as it has come to my mind many times before is the music in the club played for the customers or the dancers. It strikes me that at 90% of the clubs it is played for the dancers. Mostly music keeps customers out of clubs rather than attracting them in. By that I mean some men will avoid clubs that play overly loud music or a particular type of music they really don’t like. Rarely do customers come into clubs to hear the music.

    Rarely do customers come into the club to see cool pole moves or wonderful dance routines. Cool pole moves and wonderful dance routines impress the dancers not the customers.

    Customers come in to see sexual dancing. I took a friend to a club for an amateur night before she started stripping for a living. There were ten girls who danced. As usual for most clubs the other nine dancers were pros from other clubs. Three of them were actually very accomplished dancers with brilliant pole moves. When applause was called for my friends won hands down. She had lousy music, an odd uncomfortable costume and had trouble getting it off on stage and very few moves in comparison to the other dancers. What she had was sex appeal. One of those women who just exudes it and every man in the room wanted her. And she wasn’t jaded by years of dancing it was new to her and she was excited to be doing it and it showed.

    Most clubs are not customer friendly. I won’t go through all of the stuff but everyone knows what the major customer complaints are and DJ’s are real close to the top.

    I helped a guy open a club about two months ago. It got rave reviews from the customers. Cheap beer, low hustle and music that the customers liked among other things. He had purchased an existing club and kept all of the girls that were there from the previous owner. After a month they all quit. Which was rather embarrassing for both of us. The girls were upset about the non hustle rules and they didn’t like the music. We recruited new ladies who had not danced before and now everybody is happy.

    If I want to hear a good DJ I go to a disco or night club. I don’t like seeing or hearing a DJ in a strip club. If the DJ’s were out of sight and did not speak except to quietly announce drink specials and played something of a mix between what the dancers liked and what the customers liked I would be happy with the DJ. It is also the rooster complex. Dj’s constantly hustling the ladies detract from the customers view of the club same goes for bouncers. Or DJ’s who hassle the girls for sexual favors. I would be in favor of female DJ’s just to be rid of that factor.

    I would fire a DJ who dated the dancers just as I would fire a manager or bartender who did. Whenever I hire a bartender or DJ or manager I give them my six rules of management. 1. Don’t steal from me. 2. Don’t fuck the help. 3. Don’t steal from me. 4. Don’t fuck the help. 5. Don’t steal from me. 6. Don’t fuck the help.

    Of the twenty or 30 DJ’s that worked for me I only had one good one. It is really hard to find a good one. So hard that to me it is preferable to have the DJ booth removed from site with a small window to observe the timing. I never have the DJ’s call dancers on stage or announce them. The staging is seamless and timed with house mothers taking care of that aspect.

    But then again I do a lot of customer friendly things. I don’t have goons for valet parking only a couple of guards. No one wants an ex lawn guy driving their BMW. I have female piss boys and that seems to go over pretty well.

    I mostly hire inexperienced people and train them because I know what I want, I don’t want other clubs mistakes or rejects and it takes them longer to start stealing from me.

    I try and stay focused on the reason customers come into the club and that is to see sexy ladies. Talk to sexy ladies and watch sexy ladies dance. I try and make sure that the great majority of the money coming into the club goes to those ladies. It is sometimes hard to explain to women that they are going to make more money off of 10 middle class guys than one rich guy. But that’s where the majority of the customers come from. My clubs are cheap and busy as opposed to expensive and slow.

    You want a model for running a club go look at Mons they are doing most things right. But the two things I can think of that they are doing very right is putting a whole lot of good looking naked women on the floor and not having a DJ.

    And there is the other factor about good DJ’s. For example Djoser. He seems like a very intelligent young man. There are very few intelligent DJ’s. If Djoser worked for me I would have made him a manager by the second week and told him to automate the DJ function. He would get paid more and I am sure my club would be run better.



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    Default Re: Can the DJ make a difference?

    Quote Originally Posted by mark45y
    Rarely do customers come into the club to see cool pole moves or wonderful dance routines. Cool pole moves and wonderful dance routines impress the dancers not the customers.

    I helped a guy open a club about two months ago. It got rave reviews from the customers. Cheap beer, low hustle and music that the customers liked among other things. He had purchased an existing club and kept all of the girls that were there from the previous owner. After a month they all quit. Which was rather embarrassing for both of us. The girls were upset about the non hustle rules and they didn’t like the music. We recruited new ladies who had not danced before and now everybody is happy.


    There are customers who enjoy the whole stage show in other parts of the country. You said that Tampa is all about extras http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...33&postcount=6 so how did you expect to make money unless you have a DJ and dancers to entertain? Would you get a cut of the extras? If they're not there for the stage show then they want a personal show, so why the low hustle format? I understand playing music customers like because I can dance to adult contemporary and make it smoke. But low hustle shuts our money down. You get drink and door but we'd get bupkus!! Did you pay your girls the difference?



    Quote Originally Posted by mark45y
    And there is the other factor about good DJ’s. For example Djoser. He seems like a very intelligent young man. There are very few intelligent DJ’s. If Djoser worked for me I would have made him a manager by the second week and told him to automate the DJ function. He would get paid more and I am sure my club would be run better.
    I tried to tell him the same thing. He's more talented than he knows....
    Last edited by Optimist; 04-28-2006 at 11:26 AM.

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    Omg Djoser.. You can write correct french! Do you know how rare it is to find a person on the internet write two correct sentences in French? I'm so impressed! How much French have you studied?

    I'm a language major, and I would *melt* if my DJ talked to/about me in French! Sigh!

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    ....and people wonder why I stoped posting in here........
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    Quote Originally Posted by phillydj
    ....and people wonder why I stoped posting in here........
    Ah dont sweat it man... half of them dont understand that most DJs are talking as much as the managers want them to, or tell them to. And dont forget that a lot of customers LIKE to know who is on stage by listening to the announcements, as well as drink specials, dance specials, and whatever else they can be cheap and get.

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    It appears the DJ's can make a HUGE difference in some people's lives. In today's Los Angeles Times newspaper:

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...-entertainment

    Some new music artists are paying the DJ's up to $200 to play thier song once during the night.

    Interesting article.

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    Maybe it's different here because the "clubs" are really just redneck bars that happen to have girls in thongs dancing while you drink your beer but...the DJ's really do help make the experience complete for the customers and many of them DID come in on their favorite DJ's nights.

    It goes so much further than just doing the required announcements. Interjecting with some humorous banter, acknowledging the entrance of regulars, putting in time to come up with music for theme nights...I don't know what I would have done, as a manager, without the help of my DJ's.

    As a dancer, my relationship with the DJ's was incredible. I was clear with what I wanted...they didn't have to guess and then put up with me saying "WTF is that you're playing?".

    If they didn't play/have a particular song I wanted, that playing one from the same band/genre was ok. I always tipped above the minimum and, if I did extremely well, so did they.

    Cheer up DJ's! Some of us truly love you and what you do/did for us. Just ask the SC DJ I'm marrying!

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    Customers don't understand the function of the DJ, but perhaps they CAN understand that strippers are often busy lapping, and occasionally (hehe) flakey and must have someone corral them onto stage.

    I've seen useless ass managers in abundance in clubs all over the country, but I've never seen a DJ that didn't keep busy during a shift actually working. Could a manager do it? Perhaps, but then he would also be THE FUCKING DJ!!

    Once again, I wuvved my DJs and miss them.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillydj
    ....and people wonder why I stoped posting in here........
    Yeah, I understand...I'm startin to feel the same way bro

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    I liken the role of a DJ to that of a traffic cop or a circus ringmaster. If he/she does his job correctly then its a much more enjoyable experience. I would much rather go to a club that has one versus the whole jukebox and tip jar crapola you see at some smaller establishments.

    If there is a central pet peeve that I would have to address regarding DJ's, its that some of them don't understand that there's a world of difference between a gentleman's club versus a dance club/rave or doing the PM drive shift on the local radio station. The primary one being that while most big spenders in strip clubs are there to enjoy themselves, they are not there to "party". So while the crowd needs to be "pumped up" to a degree to show them their options, there is a point where pumping up actually detracts from the experience for the customer.

    So yes, its good to announce the dancers, talk up the dancers, tell us about the protocol for asking for dances, about the drink specials, about any special promotions the club is doing soon...


    ...but don't tell me to shout or holler, or say "hell yeah", or tell the latest dirty joke you've heard, or force me to watch the latest bachelor get humiliated on stage (I make it a habit to avoid Saturday nights for this reason alone). That's not what I came to the club to do. I came to relax. If I can't relax then I won't be in the right mood to be spending money. If I don't spend money, the dancer doesn't make money, and if the dancer doesn't make money, then the DJ doesn't make money.

    So please fellas. Keep the volume at a tolerable pace so people can hear one another, say what you need to say, and say it with some pinache, but realize there's a time to be quiet and let the performers do their work. Your the ringmaster after all, not the trapeze act or the elephant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phillydj
    ....and people wonder why I stoped posting in here........
    Gotta let everyone have their opinion, even if they are completely and totally wrong. LOL

    Don't take it personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish
    there's a time to be quiet and let the performers do their work. Your the ringmaster after all, not the trapeze act or the elephant.
    I agree with that. Some DJs see themselves as the show not as support staff. So they make way too much noise. That's too much. We're expected to tip 10% of our money to the DJ but the VIP sales happen in spite of the DJ. The sale comes from talking, talking, talking over the music but they get a cut anyway. Seems excessive. A flat minimum is fairer. Our tips certainly aren't guaranteed.

    Don't be mad phillydj. I've worked in 6 states and there just aren't many great SC DJs. I'm sure the commentary isn't meant to be mean.

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    This is funny, because when I first joined Stripperweb, I was the only stripclub DJ here, and man, did I ever rip up on SCDJs!

    Of course I was talking about the lame, tacky, cheesy, annoying ones out there--and there are lots of them--hordes of them, actually.

    But now we have lots of SCDJs here, and a lot of them are quite obviously pretty damned good at what they do. So now I tend to be much more careful what I say, to avoid offending those who actually care about the dancers, what kind of music they play, and whether the customers might be inclined to vomit after more than an hour of listening to them, or just get up and leave the damned club.

    Before I was a SCDJ, I really didn't care for them either, on the whole, nor would even the best of them do much to inspire me to tip or buy dances. Mostly I wished they would shut the fuck up and play the music, truth be told.

    So I see where some of this negative feedback is coming from, and can even relate to some of it.

    But we, as SCDJs, must not only deal with managers, who in many cases demand that we talk a lot, and 'pump up' the crowd--or see ourselves replaced instantly--but also with customers who are much less literate, with much less refined taste than the average SW member.

    Consider that the average American watches television--what, eight hours a day? Christ, It's a rare day I watch as much as eight minutes, so boring, insipid, and downright insulting do I find it to be. But these are the people we must cajole into behaving like a reasonable approximation of a gentleman, tipping the dancers, for chrissakes, and getting up off their ass and into that VIP room.

    So if a guy with some class and taste should happen to wander into a club I am working in, I wouldn't expect him to be impressed with my routine, no--but it's aimed at the rest of the crowd, really--and its sad but true that its necessary in their case.

    OTOH there is a happy medium, and when on occasion I do get someone who is actually literate and has some class, and they compliment me on doing a good job--well, that makes my night...

    But for me, the single most important thing I do up there, is to take care of the dancers. I want them to feel sexy, inspired, confident, and happy to be onstage. That's a tall order, in some clubs (especially my last, lol). Then I want the customers to spend money on them, onstage and off.

    I'll do what it takes, regardless of what I might think of myself up there, if my clone walked in the door...
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    The DJ can make a huge difference in the energy at the club. We have two DJ's at our club, both aren't that great. One plays pretty good music but says the most lame things. "Oh, she brought the puppies out to play", "Oh, she brought body for you tonight", just stupid shit. The other DJ, on the other hand plays music with HIS mood and it's usually depressing or angry rock music unless he gets some speedy drugs than he'll play more upbeat music. He has a great voice and is very cleaver but is more moody than a woman. Half of the time he is watching tv or smoking a joint instead of in the dj booth. I have stood in silence on stage between a two song set while he runs from the tv to the booth. He has also played me the same song twice in a row. One night he played me "Eye of the Tiger" to dance to which isn't a bad song and is upbeat but I don't dance super fast. I usually dance to techno, alt rock, 80's pop and hip-hop every once in a while. I just bring in cds for him now. But the club I use to work at had a great dj and would play to the crowd and knew I was versatile and what type of music I liked and we worked together great. Wish we could get another one like him.

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    it matters. not as much as other things, but it matters. an nnoying/obnoxious dj will kill the club vibe, as will one who's really repetative and boring. a good dj (imo) is one who talks just enough, plays music the girls -and- the customers like (and knows how to please both). i make MUCH better money with certain djs over others. it's a skill to get guys to tip without HASSLING them, and i tip out very well to djs that understand that. if you play me crap and talk over 1/2 my song i'm not going to tip you very well.

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    When the customers act like customers they get treated like customers. When dancers act like dancers, they get all the luv & RESPECT they can be given (biting the hand that feeds is a very simple concept) and treated like dancers. When managers act like managers, they are treated like managers. When DJ's act like DJ's, well, lets face it, we get treated like scapegoats. (Apologies to the customers,dancers and managers that somehow managed to break the rules of Life,the universe, and everything and make that last statement untrue!! I only wish there was more like you.)

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    Oh your getting props just for the H.H.G.T.T.G referance.....
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    phillydj - First drink at The Restaurant At The End Of The Universe is on me

    Anyways, IMO I don't know if there's a right way to DJ in a stripclub, but as a customer I can think of a few wrong ways:

    Not being able to transition/mix music properly
    Not taking the opportunities to "sell" the girls on stage
    Using the same tired cliche lines on the microphone

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser
    But for me, the single most important thing I do up there, is to take care of the dancers. I want them to feel sexy, inspired, confident, and happy to be onstage. That's a tall order, in some clubs (especially my last, lol). Then I want the customers to spend money on them, onstage and off.
    That's about the best summary I could see about how to do it right. By promoting the girls and pumping them up, that confidence exudes to the customers, who instead of wondering whether to spend their money or not, now have to decide on whom their money will be spent. And that's a problem I'm sure most clubs would like to have.
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    "Mostly Harmless" is my middle name!!

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