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    Default I'm baffled. Need adv. from experienced ppl.

    THEORETICAL STIUATION:
    Let's say you are a competent dj with over 16 years of experience. You have been at a job for a year in the biggest city in the state. The club chain you work for is one of the biggest in the country. You are the highest paid dj in the city; probably in the state. The owner and the vice president of the company both tell you they like you; and are happy that you are there. Etc.; etc.
    Between 6-8 months ago the GM changed; they brought in a guy who had not been in management before but was from one of the other local clubs. He and you butt heads quite a bit;but he learns to leave you alone for the most part. You don't think he runs the club well; you have seen him pimp girls out and possibly relieve the club of some revenue; among other things, but of course you have no proof and you let it slide; knowing the nature of the beast. In other words he is the typical power-mad manager who trys to have sex with everything in sight; you know the type. This bothers you; but the chance for advancement and the good money keep you there. Pretty much every one else likes you and you are doing well. You are told this manager will not be there much longer.
    One night you are running a special promotional contest and the GM is using the second (wireless) mike. It is damaged and shorts out a lot. The GM gets so mad about it that he jumps off stage in the middle of said contest and rushes your booth; screaming at the top of his lungs that you are a ********* ** **** and why are you cutting off his mike on purpose. He appears to be out of his brain on something, but who knows. At first you try to calm him down; but he continues to call you every name in the book and challenge you; getting right up in your face. Finally you snap and tell him off. The other managers come out and restrain him; NOT you. He tells the other mangers that he wants you out of his club. You collect your tips (since this is just a few min. short of closing) and you leave. You are not told anything else about the situation-whys or wherefores; nothing.
    A few minutes after you leave you call the vice president and tell him what happened; making an effort not to sound completely predjudiced; trying to calmly relay what happened. He says that he will find out what is going on and call you back.

    He never does.

    A week later; you go to collect your paycheck. You leave and go to another club to put in an application. Your friend who is one of the lower managers at your former club calls you and asks if you will come back over to say hi and have a drink. You do so. WHile you are there; someone else who is friends with the vice president (not a manager) comes over and tells you that he (the vp) is in town. The person goes and talks to the vp, and says he wants to talk to you. So, you wait. (he's in a meeting). Suddenly, a different manager walks up and tells you that you have to leave (company policy) and that the vp left awhile ago. You leave; and call the vp again and leave a message asking what the heck is going on?
    Then; your WIFE calls the vp. He answeres the phone. She calmly explains what just happened. He tells her to tell her husband to stay at the club and wait for him; he'll be back soon and does want to talk. She tells him that husband is already on the road back home (over an hour away). He tells her to call him back in an hour. They do so.

    He never answers.

    Theoretically, WHAT THE HELL?????

    I mean; theoretically, one does not get to be VP of a leading company by not being able to tell ppl to fuck off if he needs to. What possibly could be served by leading someone on like this? Why not just say "you are fired; don't call me" or some such?

    Oh; and btw; the dj that was hired to replace you is a complete idiot;he has never dj'd before; they have lost girls and customers over him (said girls and customers have called you and said so); and he is known to be a bad addict. (Your wife remembers when he used to work at her club-not as a dj- over a decade ago.)

    THEORETICALLY.

    I tell ya; how does this ever make sense? Course; I don't know why I bother with these crazy fantasies.
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    Default Re: I'm baffled. Need adv. from experienced ppl.

    Sounds like politics. The fictional DJ should stay out of the club and press his case for wrongful termination with the highest person he can, if he wants to stomach more insanity. Or just to go higher in this rather dysfunctional organization OR fictional DJ should go to the industry comer in his area and move his empire where he can can reap the rewards of his professionalism in peace and prosperity.

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    Default Re: I'm baffled. Need adv. from experienced ppl.

    The GM gets so mad about it that he jumps off stage in the middle of said contest and rushes your booth; screaming at the top of his lungs that you are a ********* ** **** and why are you cutting off his mike on purpose. He appears to be out of his brain on something, but who knows. At first you try to calm him down; but he continues to call you every name in the book and challenge you; getting right up in your face. Finally you snap and tell him off. The other managers come out and restrain him; NOT you.
    Sounds like the dude is on coke. Just because he's management doesn't mean he can't be a damn cokehead.

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    I was trying to skirt around that "theoretical" possibility (read:he was coked out of his head--eyes glazed; the whole shebang--THEORETICALLY). Seems that fact didn't matter.
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    Right?! The fish usually rots from the head. So as long as they're backing this guy up and the VP isn't making it his business to pursue you I think it's better to steer clear.

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    Well...not sure about the backing up thing. THEORETICALLY the GM in question has gone on a sudden week vacation; which is why the dj in question was even able to go back into the club; if even for a few min. No vacation was mentioned before this. Also; there have been a round of firings in the last few days of bartenders; waitresses and bouncers; several of whom were friends with the GM. The whole thing is very very strange. Theoretically.

    Hmmm. Now that I look at it from that angle....

    The manager who is friends with said dj above was forced to fire some of these ppl who were also his friends....

    Maybe it's a test....

    Hmmm....I believe it is coming clear. We shall see.
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    Default Re: I'm baffled. Need adv. from experienced ppl.

    I'd say don't go back to the club--if only to avoid potential embarassment upon being asked to leave, lol--regardless what the VP says.

    God knows what kind of politics the VP is dealing with--if you are patient and bide your time, he might well come through for you. If not, well, there are greener pastures, even if it's sometimes a pain in the ass to get over the fence or down the road a ways to get into them.

    I'd say let the VP call you when he finally gets it together, or gets rid of the political problem that is keeping a fine DJ out of a club that needs him.

    Believe in karma, too--it's much harder to see the effect in this business, but it's out there--and it'll get the asshole GM, trust me. Good karma seems to be even less forthwith in the biz, but it will eventually prevail.

    Hang in there...I'm with you on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser
    God knows what kind of politics the VP is dealing with--if you are patient and bide your time, he might well come through for you. If not, well, there are greener pastures, even if it's sometimes a pain in the ass to get over the fence or down the road a ways to get into them.

    I'd say let the VP call you when he finally gets it together, or gets rid of the political problem that is keeping a fine DJ out of a club that needs him.

    .....
    Hang in there...I'm with you on this one.
    I know you are.. and thanks.
    THEORETICALLY
    Trying to figure out if he(VP) is biding his time or what.... have not bugged him. Said wife and dj made the call once the night he said to call back and have not called since.
    Patience is a virtue; but the money is running low............and major bills are coming up. Trying to trust in the universe to provide. ak.
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    This may sound crazy to some but...like the old saying "what goes around comes around"...i'am a firm believer that everything happens for a reason....move on...travel the roads you must travel...keep a rasta heart..."No man curse what JAH bless" sorta thing. Don't let anyone touch your attitude...stay positive...I was told once by a communications professor to remember three things...1. Don't sweat the small stuff. 2. It's all small stuff. and #3. If you can't change it....ROLL with it. Oh Well...it's always worked for me.

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    Here are my thoughts, if I were said hypothetical DJ. Take 'em, leave 'em or cherry pick the perspectives you like the best.

    I would remind myself that I'm the one who has the job skills regardless of what happens within the organization. Those can't be taken away and can be applied anywhere. Usually when one door slams shut, another one opens. I'd stop calling because it didn't do any good the first couple of times, and I'd be worried about sounding desperate by continuing to do that. I wouldn't wait around; I'd be looking for either temporary income from other jobs or a permanent job in greener pastures. I wouldn't assume that things will be resolved. Even if they are, it would be strategically smart for me to be in demand elsewhere at the same time I remained open to being lured back. I wouldn't play hardball, like I'm God's gift to deejaying, about being asked back, but I wouldn't be a lapdog either. If offered the option, I'd probably respond with: "I loved contributing to the professional atmosphere that we had, and I've really missed it, but before I consider coming back, I'd really like to have (some condition, resource or pay that I thought was reasonable)."

    I'd also gather from what happened that there may be some major political battles at the top, so the corporate-supervised environment might not ever return to its previous professional business state of operations even if this particular incident is resolved. This may be a harbinger of corporate turmoil to come.

    I'd also wish good luck and moral support to anyone in this hypothetical pickle. Regardless of all the upbeat advice I can give, I know it sure as hell ain't easy.

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    Thanks for the hypothetical support

    Said dj and wife did NOT make more than the one requested call back (the second time the VP was contacted); so assume that they do not appear too despearate; hopefully. Hypothetically (THERE'S the word I was looking for! <smacks head>); the dj is working a club this evening; with the chance to move up to another chain club next week; although he would have to travel several states away. Wife is looking to get naked at her home club this weekend.

    We shall hypothetically see. Ha ha.
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    Oh the hell with this hypothetical crap...heres what happened to me as it deals with your story. I was working at Thee Dollhouse in philly and it was basicly me and another dj, and to say we didnt get along was an understatement. So our owner hires a new P.M. (Production Manager)who is friends with said dj and after covering a shift for said dj, Im fired by the GM. When I asked him why, he had no answer, none, just looked at me and shrugged his shoulders. So three weeks later I run into the owner at a bar, I didnt even bring up the firing, we just started bullshiting. Well the owner invites me to the club on St.Pattys day for a drink with him so,I go.. only to have said dj FRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKK out and have me thrown out, even after I told the new P.M. I was invited by the owner, he said he didnt care and I was told to leave. So I call the owner, tell him thanks for the invite but I was told to leave and for him to call me, he did, two days later to tell me he fired the old P.M., to come back to work and was sorry I was fired in the first place and it would never happen again, and he was true to his word. The girls missed me and apperently when he asked the PM why I was fired in the first place the oner was told"just look at him". So in this biz you never know...shit happens. And we cant do anything about wrongful termination because we to are concidered independent contracters, just like you ladies. If I could...BOY would I be suing right now. As a post script, me and the other dj now get along quite well.......you just NEVER know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phillydj
    So in this biz you never know...shit happens.
    Exactly. And if you're the consummate professional, you're going to land on your feet in the next chapter. It's hell to be sh*t on, it's totally undeserved, but I always take what solace I can in the fact that the losers who pull that crap are constantly going to be living in a tumultuous state of their own making, never landing in a place for very long before they self-destruct.

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