^^^^^That is outrageous.





^^^^^That is outrageous.
It's not the death of dancing, it just might be the death of your personal dancing career. That's not to say you still can't rock it, but if you feel the way you say you do, then that shows and the lack of money is a result of it.
I'm 32, I work in Indianapolis, and while I can't give numbers I will say that I've made an excellent amount in the last three weeks (ten weeks or so worth of work at my desk job). I work four nights a week and bust my ass, and I don't let guys touch my breasts or genitals in any way. Yes, I grind, but that's where it ends. I never do extras.
Maybe I'm just lucky that I'm in a good club, but even there we have girls in the dressing room cryassing about not making any money while I'm standing at my locker counting my hundreds. I feel like they just don't try hard enough, that they aren't willing to come in early and work it like I do. They wait until 11:00 to waltz in, take 30 min. to get ready, and then cry about not making anything. Well, no wonder, they put nothing into it, why would they get anything out of it? They call me lucky, I call them lazy.
I'm not just a stripper, I'm an entertainer, and that line is the difference between having a long (and hopefully smart) career as a dancer and a short one as a stripper who hates it and just gets by.
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The job is definatly getting harder due to more girls dancing but at the end of the day any job is subject to change at any time, people who work "normal" jobs and careers can be suddenly made redundant etc, these are uncertain times we live in my friends so i just concentrate on getting as much money saved up as possible.





IMHO you have to redefine the question. In regard to the 'exotic dancing' industry going downhill, I would say that this is NOT true for the remaining clubs and dancers who are actually selling the 'show business' of years past. Unfortunately, this 'show business' aspect is now mostly confined to super-upscale clubs in a few big cities, and only involves perhaps 20% of total dancers and customers (although it involves MUCH more than 20% of total money spent by customers in clubs).
In reality, the 80% of other dancers and all other customers are no longer dealing with 'show business' ... instead they are working in the 'sex business'. Girls who are willing to recognize this current incarnation as being the 'sex business', and who are willing to provide the 'product', and clubs that are willing to let them do so (officially or unofficially) are also doing very well financially speaking.
However, girls who are not willing / able to work in the handful of remaining super-upscale 'show clubs', girls who also do not acknowledge that the clubs that they ARE working in are now part of the 'sex business', and girls who are not willing to provide the 'product' that customers in their clubs are really seeking, are in for financial rough sledding as the US economy continues to 'squeeze' middle class Americans.
This is also true of the 'middle of the road' clubs which do not acknowledge / permit their club to pursue the 'sex business' model ... but which do not have the rich upscale customer base necessary to provide the financial engine for a 'show club' model to be financially successful, and also do not allow / offer the 'product' that their less affluent customer base is willing to pay for. It is these clubs, and the dancers still attempting to earn a living working in them, that are experiencing the worst financial conditions right now - and which IMHO will only continue to get worse in the future until they eventually fade away due to lack of sufficient earnings to continue in business. And ironically, because of lack of revenue (which otherwise might have funded political contributions/payoffs and legal appeals), it is precisely these 'middle of the road' clubs and the dancers working in them that are most vulnerable to a local anti-dance club crusade ... which will only serve to accelerate their demise.
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It's actually the opposite because depression-era women shortened their skirts to save fabric.Originally Posted by beckysnot
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^^^ historical evidence says otherwise ... 1920's flappers, 1960's miniskirts, etc. This morphed a bit by the 90's, into punk/slut fashion which involved much more than skirts ! In fact it is arguable that punk/slut acceptability by 'mainstream' girls was THE single factor which eventually led to the demise of 'show business' exotic dancing. If guys could now look at a 'slut' for free in every bar and nightclub, why would they 'pay' to look in a strip club !



Starplayer, why are you bumping another thread to advertise for Treasures again???
Anyway, it is all cyclical. I worked for a man once who was an old pimp. While I worked for him, his businesses were 100% clean. He had cameras and peep holes and watched the girls like a hawk. He did this because he told me that he had already served his time in jail for pimping, and that he was a grandpa now and was too old to go back to jail.
He gave me a few words of advice-
-If you are going to do dirty business, they will catch you. Maybe not today, maybe not tommorrow, and maybe not until 10 years from now. But if you are doing dirty business, they will eventually catch you. No one is above the law. Be prepared to do the time.
-All things in this business are cyclical. The uptight moral majority goes around and shuts everyone down in order to clean things up. It stays that way for a bit, and then slowly but surely, the dirty people come back out from the underground until they prevail again. And then get shut down. And so on, and so on...
Dancing is not dead. You must be in a dead club. There will always be a man willing to give up $$$ for a naked girl whose gonna give him attention.
So basically, you are saying, that the stage shows and low contact dances are not interesting enough for you to stay and just enjoy the show? Or are you blaming the dancers for negotiationg for extras, and that is why business is slow?Originally Posted by Star Player
I would also like to point out that strip clubs are not intended to be brothels. I know that many of them are, but at the same time many are not. There are plenty of places around the world that have strip clubs opporating in the same areas as legal brothels, and both businesses seem to do fine.
I think American strip club visitors are frequently someone who would visit a brothel if it existed. Unfortunately, the customers have to try and wade through a bunch of dancers and try and fine the one or two working that will provide extras (if she isn't busy already). Calling escort services can net mixed results, also.
Any woman has the potential to be a prostitute, not just strippers. It is just a shorter distance between stripper and prostitute than it is for a secretary to start turning tricks. But sometimes, the customer may have better luck offering the secretary $200 for a little action than the stripper, as $200 is a lot more money to someone who only makes $10 an hour.
Promote yourself and earn more money! This is a business that is owned by strippers for strippers. Let's make that money!
Originally Posted by badpixie
yep thats why my club has a strict music format. no rap, r&b and most top 40.
also add the very young girls that tell people their problems and complain about eveything. some of the stuff i've heard girls tell customers i wouldnt tell anyone much less a guy thats trying to have fun




I agree the music can be a problem in certain clubs. My issue is not with the fact that hip/hop/top 40 is predominantly played in clubs, it is the fact that is becomes such the norm at that particular strip club to the point where a dancer/customer will feel like an outcast if they perform/request another type of song. I have worked at clubs where I felt like an outcast showcasing my unqiue stage personality dancing to 80's music.
It needs to be a little of everything, to the point where dancers and customers alike feel free to express theirselves with the music of their choice.
It can not be to the point where a dancer/customer feels intimidated if they want to request a hiphop song to express their unique style(this post is more aimed towards dancers because i think customers are most happy when they see the performer having "fun" which comes with music they like.)
Too much of one thing will produce a strip club culture that becomes either "ghetto" from too much hip hop... "snobby" from too much top 40 that is not hip hop.... or "stuffy" from lack of hiphop/top40. We need a balance in all clubs so everyone is comfortable to express theirselves, and I think dj's have some trouble with pressure to play top 40 as well.
if you are a professional you can "express yourself'' with any kind of music. i'm thrilled that my club has returned to it's former format. the dj's job is to read the room and keep the momentum up. not to play any music that will drive an older spending crowd out.
you cant be an outcast if it is never allowed to be played, so there is no point in asking
guess what in the last 2 months ive seen way less girls and young guys and way more older guys. if that means my club is stuffy so be it.




Ofcourse, professionals can express theirselves to any kind of song, but they can not always feel the energy/fun/ and passion that comes with erotically expressing their body to a song they really love. I think this is needed from time-to-time as a dancer, of course this is not important to all dancers we are all different.
It's a matter of opinion, but i do not see a problem in playing a certain song that a dancer really loves every so often, no matter what music genre it comes from. I can not see customers just walking out because a girl is on stage having fun to a song they do not really like (unless the club is saturated with only that specific music type.) I do not see the need to ban any song unless it's very offensive somehow to the point where the dj as an expert disagrees with it.
If there is a certain time that a dj disagrees with playing the song, due to what he feels the crowd will like at that particular time, then that is fine. She should still have her song fit in somehow...maybe one song per night or something...
I understand the problem of creating a club atmosphere that becomes too young and club -like with music that is popular today, i do not even dance to anything that is out today...most of my music would actually appeal to the older crowd, but i still feel like a dancer should have the right to express herself to something she really loves from time to time, even if it is something that is popular today. Aslong as the club is not saturated with it.
If that really was such a big problem with you club then hey i guess that ban was good and it worked for that club....if the dancers are happy and money is made...which is a good reason there are so many different types of clubs to work at to cater to different dancers/customers.
well yea it is a little rigid and i see what you are saying. this club always had this format in place and slacked. now back on track, and i see it making things better in the big picture.
most of the girls are NOT happy about it.
my second club is saturated with hip hop and rap and i see so many older gentelmen leave after one drink. so i see both sides and my main club has more money thats for sure!

I think a variety of music in clubs is very important...just as it is important to have a variety of girls.
My MO is not to dance to what "I" like, but to what my customer likes. If I have an older customer with money, I always ask him what his favorite group or song is during our "getting to know each other" conversation. Then once he agrees to a VIP room dance, I slip up to the DJ and give him $20 to play the customers favorite songs. I always know when the song is coming up because they are considered "break songs". When the songs starts I give a smile and a wink to my customer......and it has never failed to make my customer feel special...as well as the song puts him in an extra happy mood. They also tend to do lots more dances and give a tip too.
I kinda take offence to the "overweight dancers" comment. Im by far "SKINNY" but i am in shape. Guys tell me all the time that they like girls with a little booty or a little meat. I dont have anything against skinny girls but comeing from tryeing really really hard to get over an eating disorder i have to say. This industry dosent help LOL the fact is.. all men are diferent. They like dif girls. some like skinny some like thick and so on. Clubs cant just hire all size 2's rite? I think all women are beautiful..
1st. of all ( MELONIE ) right on baby !!!.... i agree with you 100%........stripping isnt considered anymore an entertainment industry by many,,,,,they look at it as the sex buisniess........
I think if they make another movie like striptease or the one I cant remember the name it will kick it back to like it was in the late 90's.I think those movies created a lot of hype for the stripclubs and a greater amount in business and including tons more dancers.
In my area, the size 6's and above do way better than the 2's and 0's. Trust me on this one.Originally Posted by Fancey
well, first off the industry will never die.Originally Posted by sassygirl
If you are making a few hundred on a good night,
find a new club, theres plenty of money to be made.
for example there will always be losers like me
that go every few weeks, sometimes every week and
pony up 500-1000 on one trip, so keep hope alive.
and no im not rich, i work a blue colar job(2 actually lol)
and I spend a good amount of money, there just because
the girls deserve to get paid well for doing what they do.
cheers
-Ernesto





Unfortunately, this is wishful thinking in today's economy from both the standpoint of strip clubs themselves and from the standpoint of Hollywood merchandising ... if you'll recall the club portrayed in 'Striptease' was a zero contact show club catering to 3 piece suit customers, and there aren't very many clubs like that still left ! Also, the OTC activities shown in 'Striptease' were pretty much 'sanitized' even for 1996, let alone 2006 ! You gotta love Pandora Peaks though (who portrayed showgirl 'Urbana Sprawl' in the movie).I think if they make another movie like striptease or the one I cant remember the name it will kick it back to like it was in the late 90's.I think those movies created a lot of hype for the stripclubs and a greater amount in business and including tons more dancers.
If anything, for the past 5 years the Hollywood stereotype of 'strippers' has steadily declined along with most of the clubs. Last night in fact I happened to catch the recent movie 'Strike Force' on cable, which portrayed a strip club run by a major organized crime figure, where one of the club's major sources of income was making dancers 'disappear' i.e. selling them into sexual slavery to very rich men in 3rd world countries ! Apparently this is the Hollywood view of the exotic dancing industry that sells movie tickets and video/cable royalties today i.e. strip clubs are the centers of crime and sex. Hey, at least this movie portrayed the dancers as 'victims' to some degree.
Well if you look at the strip club industry in general (rather than just looking at the somewhat skewed cross section of 'better' clubs typically discussed here at SW), at least 50% of clubs ARE relying in 'sex business' for the majority of their income i.e. the 'product' that clubs and dancers are selling on a nightly basis is technically in violation of local ordinances / state prostitution laws.1st. of all ( MELONIE ) right on baby !!!.... i agree with you 100%........stripping isnt considered anymore an entertainment industry by many,,,,,they look at it as the sex buisniess........





it bears mentioning that though it's inaccurate, the law and order tv shows tend to portray strippers as women who earn w-2 income and not necessarily significantly more than straight job w-2 income. kind of a lusty lady employee-strippar view of things.
HAHAHAOriginally Posted by miabella
oh so very true
but infact most of the time
dancers
get hired on as "independent contractors"
and pay not tax on their money
and make several thousand a week
now thats a smart way to
make money hehe
cheers
-Ernesto





no, most dancers do not make thousands a week, though of course most are indeed hired as 1099 victims and handed a lot of employee-based regulations anyhow. and of course most fail to pay tax, which is not the cleverest of ideas these days, though it was less bad of an idea before the internets and linked governmental computer systems.
Originally Posted by miabella
well,
of course they dont all make thousands a week,
but i for a fact a few here in socal do
haha
im a big tipper lol
i cant put my self through college
but ill probably put these girls through grad school lol
cheers
-Ernesto





yes, a select handful make lots of money, maybe 10 percent of dancers consistently. the really jaw-grinding part is that it isn't even always the same 10 percent.
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