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    Empty Stages Cost Everyone!

    I have been a dj in this industry for 16 years across the country. One of my main problems is an empty stage. Now; this is not always the dancers fault, though some girls I have met are lazy and try to hide from stage. That is not my main concern. What really chaps my butt is, for example: I call a dancer 2 songs away form said stage. Then I call a dancer 1 song away. Then I introduce an entertainer to stage and she is nowhere to be found. 30 seconds into the first song, I am told she is in the champagne room. Now I have to find a girl to cover the stage, pulling the next girl away from a customer she may be talking to or making money from. The manager or floorman did not tell me the girl was to be skipped this rotaion so I could cover it in time.
    Meanwhile there is a room full of guys looking or cussing at me saying "Where's the girl?!" It is not fair to me (the dj) ,the customers, or especially the girl I had to call away from her customer to the stage. Also it is not fair to the girls in the champagne room. This has made them look lazy for not going on stage. The floorman or manager should have let me know. 98 percent of the time it is not the fault of the girls in the champagne room. I want the girls in there, rather than on stage cause the real money is in Private dance. I feel being on stage is vauable to present yourself to potential customers, But of course Stage is advertisement for those dances; not your main source of money for the night. That is why when you are on stage you should throw down as though you are a feature. It only helps your chances of finding those customers.
    My point is, this is not only costing me money, but the girls, and the club. Lets also remember how short the attetion span a customer has. 30 seconds of a blank stage is enough for them to get up; refresh thier drink; and on the way to the bar, decide to leave.
    This something that is bugging the shit out of me. what do you guys think?

    (On the flip side; I do NOT understand why a manager makes me have a girl onstage when theres nobody in the club. I understand the reason to have a girl on stage when a guy walks in,but its not like the girls aren't able to just jump up there when I see the guy and I start a set. I mean, comeon. )

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    I am in total agreeance. We've been having empty stage issues at my club, mainly due to the girls not listening to/respecting the hostesses, and flat out refusing to get on stage, throwing tantrums, hiding, running away and basically being immature and unprofessional about things.

    It drives me nuts, especially as there is currently no recourse for it! They basically get away scot free with behaving like 6 year olds throwing a tantrum!

    And yes, the customers *are* leaving...and then the same girls will complain (to the hostesses) that they're making no money, or bitch about the hostess not making them enough money!
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    Thx. Nice to see I am Not the only one. I would still like opinions from everyone else.

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    Zoe^^^ Once a guy, while I was aside waiting for my song to come on, asked me if there were any girls coming on stage. I said I was next and he said, "Oh good, we were about to leave." he was with TWENTY other men! O_O; They left ten minutes after I got off cause no girls would get on. And I sold them dances. *eyeroll* It's gotten so bad that the hostesses ask me to go on stage and say "And I won't ask you again the rest of the night!!" .... how sad.

    I think the club should dock $10 for every illigitimate excuse a girl gives for not going up. The ONLY time I argued was when I was wearing pink panties and had nothing else...but I still went up. I was just like, "Ehhh I feel weird not matching... but I guess."

    Y'know, though, it would be nice if the hostesses kinda went, "Hey ya, you wanna dance from her?!" when I'm on stage but meh... I can sell my own dances. But Minx did that and it was cool to get off stage with bookings already done. Then more girls would go up AND the docked pay would make them not argue.

    Sounds good to me.

    ....it would also be nice if they announced us, though. >_> Paige has the right idea with the blanket.

    I'm gonna get panties that say 'Morrigan Slayde' on them or sumthin.

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    Girls at my club get docked I think $10 each time they are late getting on stage. We aren't allowed to skip a stage set unless we get someone to go up for us and plan it ahead of time. We can't just decide we don't want to go up at the last minute. We also can't skip our stage set if we're doing lap dances. We have to stop doing dances, go on stage, and then once we're done on stage we can do more dances. We don't have a VIP room, only private lap dances, but even if a guy buys 5 lap dances, if it's my turn to go on stage and we only did 4 of the dances, I still have to stop, go on stage, and do the 5th lap dance after my stage set. At my club, dances are paid for in advance, and most of my money is made from being on stage, so I love going on stage and try to not ever skip a set.

    It's important for my club to always have someone on stage because most of the guys come in for the stage shows. Yes, many get lap dances also, but we all make most of our money off the stage (usually).
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    we have a rule in all the clubs i've danced at that if you are more than 5 minutes late getting to your table, it's a $20/$30 fine payable to the girl you left up there.
    it works!
    no-one wants to fork out money to another girl for just 5 minutes.
    if you are booking an extended private dance with a customer, find another girl to swap with then tell management or at the least, let them know you wont be available.
    sometimes if you get booked for a hour or so and you know you're going to be up on stage in that time, we just pay the $30 to another girl to do it so it's worth her while covering the table and it's not a big dint in your profit seeing you've just been booked for an hour.

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    At my old club the bouncers, managers, DJ, Champagne Hosts, and Housemoms all had walkie talkies (the ones that are discreet, not the big clunky boxes).

    Everytime a dancer would go into the Champagne Lounge, the host would call the DJ and tell him "Andrea is in CL for one hour." (or for however long the customer paid for). The DJ would then take that dancer out of rotation. After the dancer is out of the CL, she would go to the DJ booth to be checked in.

    They also had a schedule at the DJ booth. Whenever a dancer went anywhere but the actual "club" area, she had to sign out (for the bathroom, costume change, etc). The only things that the DJ could not line her up for would be the CL or if a dancer had to change her latex (we were a topless club and had to wear latex over the nipples).

    It wasn't foul proof, but it worked very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilithmorrigan
    Zoe^^^ Once a guy, while I was aside waiting for my song to come on, asked me if there were any girls coming on stage. I said I was next and he said, "Oh good, we were about to leave." he was with TWENTY other men! O_O; They left ten minutes after I got off cause no girls would get on. And I sold them dances. *eyeroll* It's gotten so bad that the hostesses ask me to go on stage and say "And I won't ask you again the rest of the night!!" .... how sad.
    Yup. Tell me about it. I know, and that's why I still go on stage even though I've just cracked it at them for asking me the *second* i get on the floor when there are 6 other girls down there who've been there for like, half an hour!

    Quote Originally Posted by lilithmorrigan
    I think the club should dock $10 for every illigitimate excuse a girl gives for not going up. The ONLY time I argued was when I was wearing pink panties and had nothing else...but I still went up. I was just like, "Ehhh I feel weird not matching... but I guess."
    hehe...I remember that night And yeah, I agree, but Billy will never fine anyone. Ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by lilithmorrigan
    Y'know, though, it would be nice if the hostesses kinda went, "Hey ya, you wanna dance from her?!" when I'm on stage but meh... I can sell my own dances. But Minx did that and it was cool to get off stage with bookings already done. Then more girls would go up AND the docked pay would make them not argue.
    This used to happen when there was a hostess on the floor, but b/c she always has to go upstairs the second the first girl gets a booking, everyone else is kinda left to fend for themselves. Unfortunately Billy doesn't come in enough to realise that we really do *need* a hostess on the floor again...


    Quote Originally Posted by lilithmorrigan
    ....it would also be nice if they announced us, though. >_> Paige has the right idea with the blanket.
    really? I think it's kinda tacky. and you know that it would be some sort of bad bold and the beautiful sounding dj voice or something too....

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    This was a major problem at my last club. In spite of the fact that I would be bending over backwards to play the best music possible for the dancers (without chasing away customers or pissing off management, of course), most of them were so burnt out from working in a tough club, or fucked up on various combinations of drugs and alcohol, that they were unwilling or unable to go up.

    By far the greatest amount of effort I put out each night was keeping dancers onstage. One night I actually went into the dressing room and picked up a rather large dancer, reclining on the counter top, and carried her out to the secondary stage--she was pretty surprised, too.

    They would constantly pretend to be deaf--I'd go right to their table and tell them they had to go up. They'd hide in the dressing room or even pretend they suddenly have to pee--I knew which ones were lying after a while.

    But most infuriating of all were the ones who would suddenly acquire motivation and dash madly around the room as soon as I announced they were on standby, frantically trying to hustle a VIP, since they would automatically get skipped. More often than not, they were not hustlers, except in that brief few minutes before they were due onstgae.

    Since I always stagger the rock/techno/R&B dancers, this would mean I'd either have to make the next girl dance to the wrong kind of music, or switch CDs in 10 seconds. Also it could be a problem if several of them were doing it regularly on the same night, and I'd effectively have several dancers less than the rotation showed.

    The problem I also ran into were the literally desperate, frantic pleas to be skipped--especially the last-minute (or seconds) ones. Every conceivable excuse was used--sometimes even legitimate ones. I wound up being a hard-ass far more than is in my nature.

    The last hour of the night was often positively comedic, with me running around to see who was passed out, who was hysterically crying, who was too whacked on drugs to embarass us all, etc., etc.

    Naturally, if there was an empty stage, I caught hell from management, or if all three stages weren't going and we had a lot of dancers officially signed in, regardless of how useless a good percentage were that night.

    Far more frustrating for me, though, was seeing time after time the customers getting up from where they had been lining the tip rail, because of the 30 second or longer delay in getting even a sometimes willing but slow-moving dancer up there. Then you have to lure them back again--and hope they don't leave first.
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    At my old club, it was mandatory to put your hand out and help the girl up after you onstage. I hate a lot of strip club rules, but I think this one had the right idea. It cut down on dead stage time while giving some sorority-style illusion of dancer solidarity that the customers ate up. Of course, it sucked when the next girl was late for her stage show and you were stuck up there dancing for another minute or two, but I think that's better than dead stages.
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    i know that i havent really started dancing offcially yet, but if i saw an open stage id like to take advantage of it. it really is great advertisement for yourself. im the kind of girl where once you get the ball rolling i keep on going. like once im actually at work, i wont feel totally pooped until i realize im done for my shift. i do the same thing when i work out too. and when i clean too, i do the same thing. its crazy what i end up doing once i finally get started
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    It's women like you who have saved the night more times than I can count.

    I do understand the whole burnout syndrome, having suffered from it myself. And I'll be damned if I force a woman who is hysterically crying to go onstage.

    But if you are lucky, you'll have at least a couple of dancers a night who still love to dance, and will jump up there any time you need them to. They generally make more money, too.

    If I can, I'll give women like this an extra song when the others are unwilling--but in the last club I had to be very careful who was manager, or which owner was there, since a couple of them much preferred me to strictly stick with the rotation--the enthusiam of the dancer, or lack thereof, made no difference to them whatsoever.
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    i hope im still this energetic in a few years. i have a question, does the dj usually play music to cater to the dancer on stage or does he just kinda play whatever?
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    At my club the dancer who was on stage can't leave the stage until the next dancer comes on, so there is always a dancer on stage. We are not allowed to miss stage sets for any reason, but we don't have VIP rooms so it's not THAT big of a deal. I think it really keeps things running smoothly.

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    may be if we recieved $20.00 per every stage we danced on you would never have a empty stage!!!!
    Also , we as Dancers are not Lazy !! Dancing is very hard on your body physically !!!
    We work our sweet asses off !!!
    Everyone that works a 4-8 hour shift ,{including the DJ},,,Should take a "lunch break "for 15-30min. ,we tend to overwork ourselves in the buisness .
    Also ,a call box /computer should be in the dressing room/bathroom/wait station so we can comunicate with the DJ without breaking our necks running in 7in stilletos.Also for safety & security reasons .

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    Well hell, I agree with Becky. I love the stage, so I'm constantly bugging the DJ with "So when am I next? Is it soon?" all hyper and excited

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    This Thread was not about lazy dancers, and also not all dancers work thier sweet ass off.
    This thread was started to comunicate in comparision, my problem with lazy mangers and bouncers, who do not help the dj to know what is always goin on, on the floor, causeing the show to not be smooth.

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    In every club where this has been a problem, it was always the floor host or couch room guy's job to tell me. I'd get a lot of "oh sorry, I didnt hear you" to "oh...whatever man I was busy....just put someone else up." Luckily this is not the case at my current club, we have excellent communication. We also have the help-the-next-girl-onstage rule, and the don't-leave-til-she-gets-there rule. However, I generally run three girls on one large main stage with 3 poles at night, so if one girl is a bit late it's really not all THAT big of a deal. It's annoying, but there's still 2 other girls up there to hold their attention .
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    We are having this problem in our club now - out of a shift of on average 20 girls at least 10 of them complain and make excuses. Its the dj that takes the shit from everyone and i feel for him. And yes, it absolutely must affect our earnings.
    Anbody have any idea how to get these girls onstage when running a small club that doesnt have non-stop stages? I suggested fines but how can it be enforced if the management believe all the sob stories?
    These girls are supposed to be DANCERS!!!

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    DJShawnDoe, I know what you mean. I don't know why some floor men are like that. It's become routine for me to hear my name called while I'm in the VIP. It doesn't even surprise me now. Some floor guys are more conscientious than others. I've even tried tipping vs. not tipping and tipping high vs tipping low. The same guys give the same shoddy service. I even tipped a floorman $50 on a $250 sale when $ 10-20 is customary but he took it and proceeded to forget to come back at the end of the VIP!!!! I don't get it.

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