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    its just bad economy right now. every so many years this happens, and then a democrat goes into office and boosts it back up for a while. just pray the stock market doesn't crash in the next ten years. i doubt it will, but the luck this nation has been having anything could happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    This change stems from two factors - tighter corporate accounting requirements which make it extremely difficult for corporations to 'write off' strip club charges as a legitimate business expense (thanks so much Ken Lay) - and successful discrimination lawsuits brought against corporations by female employees who claimed that they were at a disadvantage because their gender prevented them from using strip clubs to facilitate the same sort of customer relations / business deals that male employees could make (thank you Gloria Allred).
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    Too many people with a lot of time on their hands going after whatthey view as immoral. Its risky to be seen in a club or even work in one someday.

    I started thinking about quitting when my husband and I started thinking about adopting a child, mainly because of the background checks. For the first time ever I was concerned with how I make my living.
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    First of all, Gloria Allred has done a lot of good work to protect women and discrimination in general. I have to love her work even though it's partially misguided in this instance. On the flip-side, if there wasn't a stigma attached to female nudity, do you think we'd be making what we do?

    Here's one universal truth....greedy, mismanaged clubs. We can blame the guys, but do you think the club owners are bitching about making ends meet?

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    actually you can. they have to know that money is down and girls arent making any right now. so do they do anything to help like not charge housefees etc? no.

    they need to do alot more to get custys in the door in my opinion. marketing. specials. things like that. but nothing that comes out of a dancers pocket.

    how about not charging 6 bucks for a watered down beer worth about 3 cents to them wholesale. or 2 for 1 drinks. or maybe first drink fee etc.

    instead they do promos like 2 for 1 private dances. now if you remember I used defend the practice of dollar dances cause up until a few months I used to think it was like advretising to the customers in the club but not anymore. The last 5 times theyve done dollar dances I go hide somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amylynnej
    actually you can. they have to know that money is down and girls arent making any right now. so do they do anything to help like not charge housefees etc? no.

    they need to do alot more to get custys in the door in my opinion. marketing. specials. things like that. but nothing that comes out of a dancers pocket.
    They don't care that house fees were invented specifically so they can advertise and drum up business. They should ease prices and house fees when they are consistently slower for a season or two.

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    I think it's the slow, inevitable crash of civilization. That's just me tho.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lena
    I think it's the slow, inevitable crash of civilization. That's just me tho.
    Sadly, I thought the same thing. America is just digging a huge hole and everyone is getting sucked in...hopefully it will eat the strippers last.
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    I did, but it wasn't that great until the later 80s. Before that, strip clubs were pretty offlimits. In the early 80s, nobody wanted to admit that they worked in them or went to them, and a lot of the ones in Atlanta seemed to be "fronts" and didn't actually make much money off the club. There were few expense account guys, who I understand are thinning out again, and few bachelor parties. Very few clubs ran more than twenty dancers on a shift.

    Of course I heard about the "good old days" from day one in 1981 tillthe day I quit in 1995, that's why I'm always a bit skeptical about statements that the biz is going downhill.I don't think I've EVER worked at a club where one of the old hands wasn't complaining about how much better it used to be.

    But there WAS more money in the later 80s than in the early 80s, at least in the clubs where I worked.

    Or maybe I just got a better look and a better attitude LOL When I quit drinking, my money went way up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    All of us have been wondering where the business has gone in the clubs lately. It's ironic that the clubs are slow everywhere. It's almost as if all men are being told to stay out of strip clubs or go to jail nationwide and beyond. Are restaurants slower, department stores, electronic stores, book stores? Is this inept administration who is running our country making guys feel nervous about spending money frivously, since reality is setting in to more and more people now that Bush and his cronies are scams?

    I predicted that many voters who had the wool pulled over their eyes would wake up and panic would start setting in. Could that be the problem we face now with customer spending? Something is up.

    If gas prices running $2.75-$3.15 a gallon and interest rate increases are a big part of our problems, coupled with people getting no raises, we are in for big trouble.

    What do you think about all of us probing the guys we talk to every night we work to find out if they are going to strip clubs as much as they used to, and if not why? Then we can post our results here and all of us can then get a feel about what is happening to our industry and why.
    I think Tina nailed it about why business has been so slow in recent times and what has lead up to the decline. I'm also thinking it's going to be a long 2 1/2 years ahead. But I'd put a high wager bet that we will have the other party in power again in 08 and then things will begin to improve. It maybe even longer than 2 1/2 years until a noticeable improvement though since people don't usually just wake up one day and feel secure again. That's going to take time so maybe 3 years would be a more accurate guess.

    I have to say though that I don't think it's a good idea to ask customers why they don't come in as much or buy as many dances when they do. I think that would just remind them of why they don't spend much anymore and probably make them want to leave to save those few dollars they had planned to spend that night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    one thing that's happened, and which probably has effects beyond national borders, is a big change in multinational corporation 'rules' regarding their employee's use of strip clubs to entertain company customers, to facilitate company business deals etc.

    This change stems from two factors - tighter corporate accounting requirements which make it extremely difficult for corporations to 'write off' strip club charges as a legitimate business expense (thanks so much Ken Lay) - and successful discrimination lawsuits brought against corporations by female employees who claimed that they were at a disadvantage because their gender prevented them from using strip clubs to facilitate the same sort of customer relations / business deals that male employees could make (thank you Gloria Allred).

    These changes in corporate 'rules' have permanently eliminated strip club expenditures by both the multinational corporation's employees and by their business associates/clients, permanently taking a significant amount of money away from some strip clubs.

    Another thing that's happened is that the internet and changing 'societal standards' have now created a situation where guys who are looking for 'fun' can now arrange in advance for a 'private session' with a very beautiful very classy escort in just about every major city in the world. This not only eliminates the 'risk for the customer' of going to / being seen in a public strip club, but it also guarantees that the customer is actually going to find the 'fun' he is seeking.
    I agree. May I add that the slow business can be due to strip clubs being just plain out of style? I mean it used to be kind of a forbidden fruit but now it seems like everyone is a stripper. Men have become desensitized to meeting too many strippers in the "real" world. Even the average girl now knows how to hustle a guy without ever having to strip. Thank you reality TV for revealing our game. Men are too smart now. There's no challenge for them anymore. Can you also say that this site and the many alike, may contribute to men becoming more knowlegable to how we work, making them less interested in going to strip clubs and just going to regular clubs. I love this site but sometimes I feel like what we reveal may break us than make us.
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    Men are wanting more then what strippers can provide.
    No more expense accounts
    Too many women overflowing the business
    Club owners getting greedy
    Outrageous prices on drinks and their cut from vip's
    Women are much more sexually open and monetarily permiscuous
    Men are smarter and once they get burnt bad stop going to clubs
    women on the beach are showing more then some of the clubs (esp here in Florida)
    Gas, interest rates rising.


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    Of course I heard about the "good old days" from day one in 1981 tillthe day I quit in 1995, that's why I'm always a bit skeptical about statements that the biz is going downhill.
    Thank you! I agree. Not to say that the biz is not changing, but it's the change that vets object to- it's not that the biz is necessarily going downhill.

    It's like 1995 in a sense in Vancouver- we're just starting to get private dances within the last 10 years, and lapdances are still rare. Girls that have been dancing for a while bitch about the 'decline' of the industry, because they refuse to 'lower' themselves to doing private dances. Meanwhile, a shitty night in many big US cities would be considered an amazing night in Van by these girls.

    It's all relative, but I'm also very skeptical of those who speak wistfully of the "good old days".

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    money really hasn't been bad for me. sure I would love to complain about the current administration since my day job is for the democratic national comittee, but overall I think the real problem is greedy clubs with stage fees and lapdance cuts that are too high. I currently work at a club that has only a 10 dollar stage fee but takes half of my lap dance money in "house fees"..... do I like it? no. do I still make money? yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    All of us have been wondering where the business has gone in the clubs lately. It's ironic that the clubs are slow everywhere. It's almost as if all men are being told to stay out of strip clubs or go to jail nationwide and beyond. Are restaurants slower, department stores, electronic stores, book stores? Is this inept administration who is running our country making guys feel nervous about spending money frivously, since reality is setting in to more and more people now that Bush and his cronies are scams?

    I predicted that many voters who had the wool pulled over their eyes would wake up and panic would start setting in. Could that be the problem we face now with customer spending? Something is up.

    If gas prices running $2.75-$3.15 a gallon and interest rate increases are a big part of our problems, coupled with people getting no raises, we are in for big trouble.

    What do you think about all of us probing the guys we talk to every night we work to find out if they are going to strip clubs as much as they used to, and if not why? Then we can post our results here and all of us can then get a feel about what is happening to our industry and why.
    aside from what I just posted, I whole heartetdly agree with you. some guys I actually could probe, others; obviously not, but i'd be willing to try if I thought it would make a difference........(I spelled difference wrong, didn't I..:embarrased

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    It's a combination of a lot of things. The systematic destruction of the middle and upper middle class (laws and tax cuts that shift more money to the ultra-rich top 1%)...

    ..high gas prices that inflate the price of all other products since everything we consume is transported by trucks (which are paying much more for gas thereby increasing the difference on to the consumer... the price of a loaf of bread has nearly tripled in just the last 2 or 3 years!),

    ..the doubling of electric and fuel bills,

    ..the artificially inflated real estate market and the corresponding idiot interest only mortages that convinced people to buy more house then they can afford,

    ..the steady increase of outsourcing and insourcing of jobs that reduce/depress wages across the board, and frighten people about their job security,

    .. a freakishly huge increase in healthcare costs and prescription medicine prices that force more and more people to have to fork out enormous out-of-pocket expenses and co-pays just to maintain a minimal health care policy.

    ..new bankruptcy law that forces most people into a structured payment plan to reduce their debt rather than having the opportunity to erase their debt and start over...

    The middle and upper middle class are being squeezed to death. The average person is one or two paychecks away from disaster. Therefore, more and more people have little to no discresionary income anymore... and we all know or income is based on the spending of discresionary income.

    And the stupid clubs are doing exactly the opposite to increase business and encourage these customers being squeezed by the economy to come in and spend in the clubs... instead of decreasing door charges and drink prices, they INCREASE them thereby forcing even the diehard regulars to quit coming in altogether or only coming in once in a blue moon. They don't run specials and events or increase advertising to encourage customers to come in and spend either.

    They also hit up the dancers with increased house fees and fines which force the better quality dancers to either move on, quit entirely or go part-time and pick up a straight job or go back to school. This just forces the club to hire dancers of lesser quality then they would have hired before, and customers who are already on a much tighter budget don't feel so inclined to spend on these lesser quality dancers. I've noticed a general decrease in dancer quality... girls getting hired in clubs that wouldn't have given them the time of day even two years ago (it's not a severe decrease in my area, but it's there).

    And of course, dancers are doing extras and generally doing more for less than they ever did before to try to maintain their income, which we all know generally hurts the quality of the club and hurts all the dancers working there.

    So, it's a lot of things. Pray for a Democrat for the next president and a switch to a democratic majority in congress next year.

    So far I've been lucky. My income has stayed pretty much even, but I have to rely very heavily on regular customers... if I lose even one regular big spender, I'd be in for some hurt. Time to start shopping for a better club again.

    *Oh, and incidently, Australians and Europeans pay much higher gas prices then Americans because a good portion of that is taxes which go to pay for services like universal healthcare and much better transportation systems that American's don't get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanna

    So, it's a lot of things. Pray for a Democrat for the next president and a switch to a democratic majority in congress next year.
    Sheesh, aint' that the truth!!! I've been doing a countdown since 2001.







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    You just said it like it is, especially about the clubs, i mean 6.50 for a drink that's like a dollar more than at a normal bar. unless they have alot of money to spend the average customer off the street comes in the door sits down to have a drink or two and he's alredy spent 30 bucks or more . I m sure that will make an impact on how many dances he buys and who he chooses to get the dances from. Not to mention the intense pressure of looking like a cheap ass if he doesn't tip the bartender or waitress good. any ways i,m from canada so it might not be as bad or it might be even worse i dont know, but any how good day.

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    "and successful discrimination lawsuits brought against corporations by female employees who claimed that they were at a disadvantage because their gender prevented them from using strip clubs to facilitate the same sort of customer relations / business deals that male employees could make"



    WHAT THE FUCK????? I know damn well that if I were a female in a corporate position that I damn well could take a business deal to the strip club and bank on it! Are you serious? Maybe these "uptight" pussies need to let their hair down and deal with the fact that men find it hot as hell when another woman is watching women get naked. It just gets to me when you bitch about something like this and don't understand that what you're saying is completely backwards!

    I'm sure that is a huge reason why people aren't comming in as much as they used to as well as the current war and risk of war with other countries....It affects not only the USA but also every country world wide. The oil companies are making record profits and we're all being screwed, no matter where you live I'm guessing the price has gone up.
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    Oh yeah the gas prices are way up here in canada too. It's f'in retarted. My mustang gt is hard enough on gas as it is, but with the prices this high i don't like to drive too damn far with it! good luck with your pregnancy funtasti ferra, they truly are a blessing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funtasticFerra
    "and successful discrimination lawsuits brought against corporations by female employees who claimed that they were at a disadvantage because their gender prevented them from using strip clubs to facilitate the same sort of customer relations / business deals that male employees could make"



    WHAT THE FUCK????? I know damn well that if I were a female in a corporate position that I damn well could take a business deal to the strip club and bank on it! Are you serious? Maybe these "uptight" pussies need to let their hair down and deal with the fact that men find it hot as hell when another woman is watching women get naked. It just gets to me when you bitch about something like this and don't understand that what you're saying is completely backwards!
    I think a woman executive would be at a great disadvantage if she was entertaining male clients at a strip club. The male clients would see her as part of the show and lose respect for her as an executive. Especially if she get's lap dances from the dancers. In the male executive's mind the woman has reduced herself to whore and is not a good business person.

    Just because the guys are putty in our hands as dancers, it does not translate into the business world. Ask dancers who have other businesses that would benefit from the clientele of the stripclubs. I danced with a girl who was also a mortgage lender. She was a damn good mortgage lender, and thought to drum up business at the top shelf gentlemen's club she worked at. The men laughed in her face.

    If a woman is involved in sex work at any level, she loses the respect of both men and women.

    Please don't shoot the messenger! That is just how the world works.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    I'm just curious as to how many men would say they don't go to the clubs as often as years past comapred to those whose attendance remains the same.
    The answer to this question is as variable as the person who answers it. I'm suprised that no one has listed "aggressive sales enviroment" as a decline reason. I've talked with many men who just don't like shopping for lap dances the same way they shop for new cars. (and the aggressive dancers are just trying to survive in a very competive environment, management is to blame for this)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    Nowadays the fad is young guys and girls hanging out in a club on weekends instead of going to singles bars.
    You nailed that one!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    As far as what Paris says, I guess what we have to ponder is why men don't have respect for women who work in sexually oriented businesses. Why are many men unwilling to relate to us on the same level as they do with other men?
    I have a feeling that it isn't just women. If a man is a porn star (or owns an adult website or works as a male stripper ect.) who works a day job as an insurance salesmen I have a feeling he would have a similar problem in earning the respect of his clients. I ahven't asked any men in this position, but some of our DJs here may have had "real world" trouble with respect in a white collar job if they DJ at a SC at night.

    I guess it is just the sex industry in general. It is just considered unsophistcated and low-brow.


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    Out here in NM I can honestly say there were "Good old days" in stripping. Not that money fell from the sky but what you had to do as a stripper to make money was far easier. $400 for a no contact/quick hustle night compared to $400 for a 2 way contact/getting-to-know-you-for-a-song-before-asking-for-a-dance hustle night.

    Being paid to work compared to paying to work was good, as was 20 dancers per night compared to 40.

    I can't deny it, dancing during the Clinton years ROCKED! I do agree that the industry is just changing. Stripping (at the clubs I've worked at) was more about watching women take their clothes off. In the last few years it's been more about what she's going to "do" for you.

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    This below is SO TRUE. If you go to the average business dinner, most guys aren't going to take another guy as seriously if he starts talking about having been a porn star or male stripper. They might fantasize about getting all the chicks they think he's had, but that's not the same as wanting him as a business partner.



    I have a feeling that it isn't just women. If a man is a porn star (or owns an adult website or works as a male stripper ect.) who works a day job as an insurance salesmen I have a feeling he would have a similar problem in earning the respect of his clients. I ahven't asked any men in this position, but some of our DJs here may have had "real world" trouble with respect in a white collar job if they DJ at a SC at night.

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    Girls, the intent of this post was not for us as dancers to hypothesize why guys aren't coming to the clubs as much recently. I don't want to see your opinions or mine on here. I want us to get actual customers opinions. We're sitting and talking with them and should be able to EASILY find out why they aren't going as much and post the results here.

    THE PURPOSE OF MY THREAD IS TO GET AS MANY OF US AS POSSIBLE TO PROBE THE GUYS WE SIT WITH EACH NIGHT AS TO HOW OFTEN THEY GO TO CLUBS TODAY COMPARED TO SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

    EXAMPLE: Hi my name is Jezebel, and yours. (He says his name is Hank.)

    Hi Hank, how are you doing tonight? Do you come here often? You chat a bit and then ask him, do you go to gentlemen's clubs as much as you did several years ago. If he says no, find out why if he doesn't go as much if he hasn't said why already.

    If you talk to 10 guys in a night, post the responses under this thread so we all can get an idea as to why the customer count of target customers is shrinking lately.

    PLEASE LET'S NOT JUST MAKE THIS ANOTHER RHETORIC THREAD. LET'S GET SOME CONCRETE ANSWERS FROM THE PEOPLE WE ARE MAKING OUR LIVING FROM!!!

    One guy told me he dislikes the fact that some clubs cut the songs shorter than 3 minutes, the girls hustle too hard, and where the stages are full of disinterested girls just prancing around instead of performing. He said he didn't enjoy clubs or go as much anymore because of that.
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