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    Clubs in my city are getting raided, and our manager said they're gonna be in our club this week. He said that last night after shift, telling us to have our IDs. He said that two girls at another club got arrested by a plain clothes guy...I'm not sure, but I think he said something about them dancing for him and the cop coming back the next day...

    And then it got me thinking, my god, did I dance for an undercover cop last night? There was one guy who seemed strange- said "I wouldn't complain if your hand touched my lap..." and I ignored this and pretended I didn't hear, and of course did not rub his crotch or put my hand there like he asked. He bought six dances, paid for seven...I don't know. He was the only guy who struck me as odd, or suspicious (I was freaking out paranoid). The rest of the customers were from out of town on a convention, and said they worked for a union (there were tons of these guys). Is it true that cops can't lie about stuff like that? Like if you ask what kind of work they do?

    My boyfriend said there's no reason to fear a cop if I'm clean, but that's not true. I am clean, but the noncontact rule was never specified by management to me, and dancers here all give lapdances. I've been standup dancing for the week to be safe, but I lean over guys, they touch my legs. And anyway, it's the cop's word over mine. (no cameras in our CR)

    Nothing happened last night, but now I think I really don't want to go back to work tonight. If I did dance for an undercover cop, would he have charged me or anything at the time if were going to do so? No matter what, I think working at a club that's basically bound to get raided would be to sit in a big pile of duck soup.

    Of course, the clubs across the river where the laws are different are flooded now with too many girls. I'm thinking of taking a week vacation, waiting for the city to cool it...

    But right now I'm just really worried. Might I already be screwed? If I don't go back, is it ok? He doesn't know my real name and anyway, he misunderstood my stage name so it's only my face. He got dances from other girls too...A prostitution charge for his hand on my calf, my hair touching his face? I'm a paranoid person sometimes, but this seems legitimately scary.

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    Default Re: undercover cop? really worried

    Quote Originally Posted by mollyzmoon
    Is it true that cops can't lie about stuff like that? Like if you ask what kind of work they do?
    Yes, they can lie, etc. - even break the law.

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    My boyfriend said there's no reason to fear a cop if I'm clean, but that's not true.
    I'm glad you aren't as naive and innocent as your bf.

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    If he were out to bust you I think he would have done it on the spot. I dont know of many undercover cops who go on operations and wait for tomorrow to make a bust

    Anyways, you did the right thing by ignoring him. He COULD have been a cop testing you perhaps.

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    Here's an article about strip club busts which goes into some detail about how the bust happens. This happened in Texas, and I'm not sure if it's the same every where, or even happens the same way every time. Worth knowing, though. In this case, the agent did not arrest the dancer when she gave him the dance; another officer came back later in the night and made the arrest.

    http://www.texasobserver.org/showArt...?ArticleID=304

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    Yeah, so not working tonight. I just have this really, really horrible feeling. Something was weird last night. I saw him go off after with another dancer who I know for a fact (i've seen her) is an extras girl (like, guys fingering her, not just sitting in laps). I'll ask tomorrow if there were any arrests last night and see. It's all just so ridiculous and political to keep in fact changing the laws from 'noncontact' to 'some contact' to 'noncontact' again. I've asked people what the current law is, like specifically what we're not allowed to do (do we need to be a certain distance away? Are we allowed to touch their shoulders or anything? Because we give dances out in the open all the time with such minimal contact, and management is fine with it...). Is there anywhere I could look up these rules? I'm kinda freaking.

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    Let me guess. Your city is a year or less away from local elections. Usually that is the only time clubs get raided.

    Sadly lots of cops do whatever they want when it comes to club busts. They often will break the law themselves and sometimes even make completely false claims about what a dancer did and did not do. If they want to or have been given orders to make arrests in stripclubs nothing is off limits in many of their minds. It is often a case of a dancers word against a cops and just who do you think a judge is going to believe?

    If your local powers that be want stripclub arrests it isn't going to matter what you do or don't do. If a cop wants to arrest you he will and there isn't anything you can do. It sucks beyond belief.

    My advice to you is to hit the road and work out of town for awhile. But make sure to do your homework and avoid other cities gearing up for local elections or you might end up in the same situation. If you can't travel consider taking a break from dancing until the heat dies down.
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    I guess I'm just bitter too because there are so many genuine hookers that dance around here, giving actual 'extras' (sexual contact, bjs, meet-me-at-the-delta deals)- in a fair world, they'd get busted over us clean girls.

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    all I can say is you should trust your gut instinct about anybody who acts weird. I was in a similar situation before the whole Galardi/San Diego council member scandal went down. They're trying to trap you into doing or saying something to get yourself and ultimately the club busted.

    forgot to add: I personally would take a mini vacation until this blows over. Why take any unneccessary risks?

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    I'm wondering if undercover cops looking to bust strippers would buy that many dances. I completely understand your paranoia though. It would probably be best for your peace of mind to take a little time off and see what happens.

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    Hi!
    What kind of busts ? Is it by-law? or criminal -law? )big difference!
    Because, when they did the Alfonso project in Toronto the undercover gyus were in the clubs a lot and often. They ussually wear causual golf shirt 'look'. and they come in groups.
    I din't think this was a cop(the one you danced for) 6 songs -- too much.
    In my club they do by-law. they come in and give tickets randomly.
    If it is criminal -law theygoing to do big bust, it costs 100 th/club
    it is a big opearation so they usually do it on thursdays. That's the one when they arrest you. and you can be charged.
    the small busts they usually give by-law tickets.(I eared they are 5 bills) and they come in any time.

    your club managment will tell you it's nothing because they don't want that you stay home. When you sign in your club you propably sign that there is no contact in between cust. and you, so that is the law in your city, and then when you are in VIP it is whole different story.
    you can't be paranoid and stop working it'will cost you money.
    I don't think this will help you , but I know how you feel!!
    good luck

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    yes they will lie about not bein a cop and get away with it .you did tha right thing not payin him any attention.

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    Tara may have hit the nail on the head!

    All municipal elections in Ontario are held on the same day in Nov, every 3 years. Maybe this is what's going on. I agree with the travel advice. I say take a road trip to Montreal!

    This is not legal advice - Moonmind is correct in his assesment of the Alfonso operation. They were looking for dancers being held against their will (aliens here illegally) under threat of being deported if they didn't cooperate, I believe. This sort of thing warrants the $$ involved in the operations. Day-to-day lap dancing does not.

    Please keep in mind that Toronto and Ottawa are worlds apart in terms of this issue. This isn't even on the radar here!

    Most tickets in TO are bylaw related. The reason for this is that criminal convictions are difficult (next to impossible) to get here.

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    By the way I didn't realize Molly was in Canada when I wrote my reply. I don't know if the cops are the same up there as they are here in the US. Sorry if I mischaracterized the police there. What I described is what is typical in club busts in my country.
    The essential humanity of men can be protected and preserved only where government must answer--not just to the wealthy, not just to those of a particular religion, or a particular race, but to all its people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tara Nicole
    By the way I didn't realize Molly was in Canada when I wrote my reply. I don't know if the cops are the same up there as they are here in the US. Sorry if I mischaracterized the police there. What I described is what is typical in club busts in my country.
    I figured you didn't, judging by your post, but no worries, it's all cool

    The difference between many places in the US and Ontario (Toronto in particular) is like night and day (Quebec is a whole other story)!

    Unlike in the south, religion has a largely inconsequential effect on politics. In the 21 years I've been clubbing, I can only remember two incidents where an SC was forced-out of a neighbourhood or closed.

    As for cops taking advantage of the situation... it's not as bad here as down south, but it does happen. In most cases they don't even bother trying. Here in Ontario, a conviction for prostitution while lap dancing is almost impossible to obtain. It does happen, but it's rare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tara Nicole
    Let me guess. Your city is a year or less away from local elections. Usually that is the only time clubs get raided.
    Ain't it the truth. We're gearing up for city elections here, and TABC (Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission, i.e. the strip club cops) have been in out of the club all week. They aren't hard to spot -- they're the guys in cop-like uniforms standing by the door giving everyone the evil eye. Maybe those guys are the decoys and there are others in plainclothes...is that paranoid? They've seriously killed the party, though. They were in last night freaking customers out, and tonight the place was d.e.a.d.

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    It's an oddity that the District Atorneys will allow an officer to lie to a potential 'victim', even it it could result in entrapment, and then expect the officer to tell the truth in their reports and in court. They know how to bypass the civil protections we are entitled to because they value their jobs more than they value their charge of Public Service. Somehow they have ended up with too much control over the public in many ways.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike82
    If he were out to bust you I think he would have done it on the spot. I dont know of many undercover cops who go on operations and wait for tomorrow to make a bust
    Ohh yes they will. There were three of our girls that got busted, turns out the incident was like a month prior to the actual ticketing. They had come in, found the horrible criminals who put breasts in their face, filled out the report, and there it sat, in a big file of stupid random shit no one cared enough to act upon....untill there was some political agenda, then guess who came a knockin?!

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    When there was a raid at my club undercover cops had already been coming in for months compiling information. The night of the raid they came running in with masks and guns, interviewed and searched every dancer and her locker (dancers had to wait together on the stage for 6 hours as they were taken in one by one) and arrested two dancers for having drugs (these two dancers had offered drugs for sale during the officers' previous visits).

    I don't understand why they had to traumatize a whole club full of people only to arrest two dancers they already knew they were after. They did document everything that was done and said with all the dancers over those months, and they did spend a good amount of time in the VIP room doing their research as well. The club posted all that documentation on the dressing room wall, all names included. So yes, undercover cops will go for more than one dance and will not necesarilly arrest you that night. Go with your intuition, I was not there the night of the raid and have walked away from money often when something didn't "feel" right. As a result I've gotten out of years of stripping unscathed.

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    god this stuff makes me sick! giving someone pleasure, be it a dance or full on sex (keep it outside of the strip club, please) is one of the better things a person can do for their fellow man or woman.

    molly, so sorry this is happening. that fear can mess you up- and not just your hustle at work. i would get the same 'paranoia' myself, especially if i was in a club where the girls did extras- they are affecting my job even if i just stand there fully clothed sipping a soda! i agree with the other girls on taking a trip and dancing elsewhere to clear your head. maybe you could book some photoshoots in the meantime, if you do modelling, so you have some supplemental income.

    i'm glad you've got your wits about you, molly. many girls in this industry dont. and i have even read in police reports that undercovers will spend hundreds to trap someone. and guess who the money comes from- the taxpayers.

    i'm praying for ya. keep your head up. big hugs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakti
    When there was a raid at my club undercover cops had already been coming in for months compiling information. The night of the raid they came running in with masks and guns, interviewed and searched every dancer and her locker (dancers had to wait together on the stage for 6 hours as they were taken in one by one) and arrested two dancers for having drugs (these two dancers had offered drugs for sale during the officers' previous visits).

    I don't understand why they had to traumatize a whole club full of people only to arrest two dancers they already knew they were after. They did document everything that was done and said with all the dancers over those months, and they did spend a good amount of time in the VIP room doing their research as well. The club posted all that documentation on the dressing room wall, all names included. So yes, undercover cops will go for more than one dance and will not necesarilly arrest you that night. Go with your intuition, I was not there the night of the raid and have walked away from money often when something didn't "feel" right. As a result I've gotten out of years of stripping unscathed.
    Holy. Shit. I had better never find out that one single person was shot, robbed, raped, or looked at funny in your city while the force was cracking down on boobies.

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    Several in-club things cause police attention and should be avoided if people inthe club are more worried about their reputations, records, income, and sanity than about their immediate pleasure :
    • fights and violence (common to many bars)
    • drunken driving (common to many bars)
    • drug trafficing and posession (not only stripclubs but more often there)
    • prostitution (hey, you can find that in some regular bars too)
    Sometimes the 'prostitution' thing is just an excuse for the 'authorities' to look for other violations, since they can interpret many actions as 'prostitution' (as a scam) to justify inspecting and harassing the workers.

    There is a lot to say about the justification of prostitution laws (such as leading to other crimes etc), but the only one that is justified to any real extent IMHO is protection of family stability. However, activities like alcohol consumption, legalized gambling, obsession with overworking and non-home activities like sports ALSO can place a family situation in jeopardy. Further adultry opportunities are available from MANY other social activities, of which often prostitution is mostly the least affecting of stability. The religious element is a big factor in singling out this activity.

    As much as that is a factor, we all know that almost all clubs have at least one dancer who is illegal substances dependent and almost always has some with her. This is a sure-fire cop attractor and is hard for club management to control. For whatever reason someone is always into that to the hazard of the club.

    As long as religion controls politicians and influential citizens, prostitution is going to be an excuse for police to monitor clubs, even though this has a negligible affect of the rights of others. The drugs, however, are like a virus (how its use spreads) and do a lot of social harm. If you don't think the presence of illegal drugs in your club is going to affect your peace of mind and your income, well you are going to have a big surprise someday.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakti
    So yes, undercover cops will go for more than one dance and will not necesarilly arrest you that night. Go with your intuition, I was not there the night of the raid and have walked away from money often when something didn't "feel" right. As a result I've gotten out of years of stripping unscathed.
    yup, I've had "customers" ask me where to buy drugs, and is it true that the yellow caution tape on the corner lap dance booths is really a code that vice is coming in tonight?

    ummmm...I dunno? *giggle and hair flip*

    I am so fucking grateful to have gotten out after 8 years without getting caught up in any sort of sting operation. I wouldn't wish a raid on my enemy. It seems like being involved in one (arrested) is just a precursor to a downward spiral in the industry. Ya know? one might have a tendency towards a "fuck it" attitude afterwards instead of trying to keep a clean record.

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    Best thing that I've found works, and haven't had problems since, is to treat every customer like he's a cop. Now I know that sounds scary, but you've got to operate with the mindset that, in the long run, if you're not doing anything wrong, the cops can't really hurt you. I know that you think that's not the case, but understand a couple of things. First off, if you DO get arrested, all you HAVE to give them is your name and social security number. NOTHING ELSE!! If they ask you ANY other questions, say you won't talk until you have a lawyer present. Also, DON'T panic if they bust in...just try and stay as calm as you can, ad keep the chatter to a minimum.

    Now, back to the dancing. If I think that every guy I dance for is a cop, then my mental state is to not let them push the line ANYWHERE. Yeah, gets some guys pissed off, because they're not getting more than a dance, but it's all about YOUR ass, not theirs.
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