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    I make $300 a night, every night, give or take $20. About once a month some nut-job will give me insane ammounts of money to sit on my ass with him all night, but this seems to happen by fluke more than by anything I do or say. On the bright side, consistant money is nice; $300 is more than I'd make in a week at most of the jobs I've had, and I haven't had a truly bad money day since January. On the other hand, there are girls at my club who make $500, $600, $800 a night, and of course I wish I was one of them. I don't pay attention to the other dancers when I'm on the floor, so I have no idea how they're making this money. Wish I could follow them around for a night and figure it out.

    Has anybody hit a plateau like this, and are there any tricks to increasing what you make? (Don't say DW -- I took the seminar in December and it was helpful in boosting my money to its current level, but now I'm stalled out.) What's the difference between a $300-a-night girl and a $500-a-night girl?

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    Default Re: hitting a wall with earnings

    does your club have a VIP room?

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    Default Re: hitting a wall with earnings

    What are you selling, to how many customers? What else can you sell in your club? What are the $800 girls selling, to how many customers?



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    ^^Sort of. There is a seperate VIP section, but it's just another way for the club to get money out of the customer. If you don't negotiate to get paid for your time (possible, but tricky) then you get paid by the dance back there, like you would on the floor. I know this makes it harder to make big money, but there are still girls making twice what I do, VIP or no.

    (By the way, I'm not ugly, fat, or shy.)

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    lol Grace - of course you aren't ugly, fat or shy....

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    How many hours do you usually work? Maybe the other girls are working longer, or have just cultivated regulars. I think some girls have a natural ability to make more just because they fill a certain niche or stand out. Examples would be the tall model looking girl from South America or a red head like yourself. I've just learned to play dumber (or smarter depending on the guy), make them laugh a lot, and convince men that they're special while reminding them they need to continue paying for my time. Without watching you, I can't really tell you why you aren't making as much as you could be though. Talk to me in the club, and I may be able to give you a few pointers if I see you in person.

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    It sounds like there's a strong possibility that the dancers are charging extra for lapdances, like where some girls charge 50% to 100% more. I'm curious about what your level was before DW, because I'm about to take the course and you're not an encouraging testimonial

    If you don't watch the other girls though...come in on your off night, kick it with some budds or what not and come in COMPLETELY NORMAL. Hopefully the girls won't recognize you and you can just watch, and even get some lapdances to see what they're doing.

    If you have a signout sheet that you have to sign that says how much you paid out, skim to see who is consistently the highest earners and watch them, or get dances from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlinterupted
    How many hours do you usually work? Maybe the other girls are working longer, or have just cultivated regulars. I think some girls have a natural ability to make more just because they fill a certain niche or stand out. Examples would be the tall model looking girl from South America or a red head like yourself. I've just learned to play dumber (or smarter depending on the guy), make them laugh a lot, and convince men that they're special while reminding them they need to continue paying for my time. Without watching you, I can't really tell you why you aren't making as much as you could be though. Talk to me in the club, and I may be able to give you a few pointers if I see you in person.
    Thanks, homes. It was awesome meeting you the other night! (Everybody, this lady is HOT!) Sometime when it's slow we'll have a drink and talk shop.

    I don't mean to knock DW, fancygirl...you WILL learn some very valuable tricks. It didn't turn me instantly into a $1,000 a night girl, but I have a slow learning curve. It's all about how you apply what you learn, and I'm still practicing. Also, though I technically started dancing nearly two years ago, up until January I was one of those one-weeked-a-month girls, so my experience level is probably more like someone who's only been working six months.

    Anyway, I'm not too unhappy with what I make -- at least it's consistant. I just find it a little bizarre...NOTHING seems to make any difference. I can tan, workout, get my nails and hair done, and I can go in pale, bloated, hang-nailed, and doped up on cold medication; I can buzz around talking to everyone or I can sit at the bar and wait for them to come to me; I can work at a dead club in the middle of the day or a popular club on a weekend night; I make the same ammount, no matter what. Crazy.

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    Find some way to upsell. If your typical customer typically buys 3 dances from you at $10 each, tell them you will do 5 for $40. Or some such. Adjust the math accordingly.

    Or if you want to sell VIP room, tell them they can have 10, 3-minute songs (30 minutes) for just $XX. Make sure the price is enough to cover the club's cut and still make a decent profit.

    Either way, that will make it easier on you because you are increasing the amount of time you spend with each customer, rather than having to pitch everybody. In other words, you will spend more time earning and less time pitching.

    Or, you can subtly ask for a tip. Try
    "Dances are $XX, plus whatever you would like to tip"
    "Dances are a MINIMUM donation of $XX."
    "That was 3 dances, plus whatevr you would like to tip."
    Use your judgement. SOme people are mortally offended if you even think about a tip, and others need to be hit in the head.

    Or you can add value to your dances. Dances at the standard price involve so much contact/nudity/spread, etc., but dances at a premium price offer more. (Don't be blatant about it. Just tell them a standard dance consts $X but a Premium dance is so much better for only $X more.) Just have a clear idea befoe hand what you call standard or premium.

    Cultivate your fetish customers. I have some nipple-pain guys and foot guys who pay me double the going rate for the "privilage" of having me pinch their nipples or touching my feet.

    Do something different. I do massages for the price of a dance. I have a huge following of guys who come for massages, and don't ever buy dances. I also have asmaller following of guys who want dances from the extras girls, but will STILL plunk down $$ for a massage.

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    In another post you wrote about physical upkeep. You mentioned you didn't do much. I would keep on trying to improve yourself . You cant just do your makeup and hair and tan for a couple of days and compare earnings. Do it for a couple of weeks.

    Work out, eat healthy and put more work into your appearance.

    If that doesn't work then try something else.

    Switch to a club with a new look maybe. Try it for a couple of weeks. Change your look, add highlights. Change your attitude a bit.

    There has got to be something!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tampafldancer
    In another post you wrote about physical upkeep. You mentioned you didn't do much. I would keep on trying to improve yourself . You cant just do your makeup and hair and tan for a couple of days and compare earnings. Do it for a couple of weeks.
    Well, I'm a yoga teacher and have always been fairly fit, but I did decide several months ago to tone up. I've lost 12 lbs and gained a fair ammount of muscle...and it's made absolutely no difference in my earnings!

    I changed clubs recently, and I think I haven't adjusted my hustle enough. My last club was small and slow and I worked days...customers expected you to sit with them several songs before they bought dances, but once they started buying, they usually bought several. I always made $300-400 there and was one of the highest earners on the dayshift. My new club is busier and higher hustle and I work at night. Most of the guys I talk to do buy dances, but not as many, and I think I'm wasting my time talking to them for too long. Basically I need to speed the hustle up, but it's taking me a while to catch on. I'm making exactly what I made at my old club, although my new place has much more potential, if I knew what to do.

    But yeeeaaaah, maybe I should do something with my hair or whatever. I'm curious, why would it take a few weeks for this to make a difference? I would think you could make a fairly direct comparison night-to-night.

    I don't have a problem with doing my hair, nails, and make-up, I just don't see any point in spending time and money on these things when I never see a return on investment.
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    Girls at your club aren't upselling or asking for tips, its not the culture there.

    The trick is to move in for the kill ASAP, don't wait more than one or two songs. Find the most private areas, either the corner, couches, or the VIP, and keep the tease up Up UP. Ask for the another dance into the next song, a couple of seconds, its harder for them to say no.

    Also, try the dayshift, its pretty good there. I was one of the top earners in that club, and no matter what, it boiled down to time. The longer I danced, the more I made.

    I broke $1,000 several times, but I had worked at least 8 hours for it, staying until 4am on Fri/Sat nights. That is a goldmine time for dancing if you don't mind dealing with kids. They got a little money too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xoxoGracexoxo

    I don't have a problem with doing my hair, nails, and make-up, I just don't see any point in spending time and money on these things when I never see a return on investment.
    Keep in mind that the more polished and high maintenance you look, the more you will attract well kept customers.

    Never underestimate your looks. Properly applied make up, a nice hair style and finger and toe nails always done is essential. People notice how well kept you are. It will make a difference in the long run.

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    One slightly sneaky thing is that when you have a customer in the lap dance area to, towards the start of the song, let him know to tell you when he wants you to stop while smiling mischievously. I remember one girl in my old club consistently breaking $800 any night she came in by never going on stage, playing almost a sort of a sexy game of tag to engage the guy and have him accept a dance, then she'd treat him like he was going to have to be the one to end it....take control of your dance session and own it, and dont act like you are done when each song ends, just keep going. Make him forget theres anyone else around, although maybe after a few songs make sure he knows what number youre on so he doesnt pull a fast one....and sell all VIP dances as a block of songs, dont mention per song...$100 for 5 songs...etc...
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    Sounds to me like your biggest problem is waiting too long to pop the question. Just get it in your head that you MUST ask before the second song is up, and then ASK. You don't really have to change your hustle, just ask sooner. Keep the chat to a minimum but just act flirty. If the answer is no, move on quickly.

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