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    I would avoid glocks if I were a first time gun owner. One, they have no safety on them unless you get them specially made. You can get something mid-range, safe, and accurate, and then shell out the bucks to take a course. My first was a 9 mil. Hi-point. Good gun.

    And krazyjane, I understand where you are coming from. That's why the conceal/carry courses are so important. They teach you all of this, and a lot more, as well as what to do if you are attacked from behind, multiple assailants, etc.

    If a person is twisted enough to try to steal you and rape you or chop you up, you can bet that I'm DAMN sure not going to just be hoping and praying that they don't have a gun themselves. The old line about not bringing a knife to a gun fight still holds a lot of water with me, personally.

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    Apple, perhaps use that money you're making at your club to move to a neighborhood in which you feel safer?

    Recommendations for various self-defense techniques online aren't a substitute for real world practical experience. I'd really recommend NOT buying a gun or pepper spray; statistics show thow that the likelihood is that these will end up being used against the owner. Sign up for a Krav Maga course instead. At the worst you'll get some exercise in the process.

    I've heard that puking or pissing or shitting yourself puts off rapists, but I have no firsthand experience, thank Heavens.

    Statistics say nothing about the individuals with the guns. If a person is uneducated about the gun, then you're damn right that there is a good chance that the gun can be used against the owner, but when you are talking about selfdefense, a gun is a great thing. How many people in the police force or military are you worried that their weapons will be used against them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazyjane
    Yes, I realize that my opinion seems a bit harsh, but keep in mind that I've known 2 children in my life who have died by the gun. On was a 7-year old kid who found daddy's shotgun and decided to play with it. Another was a teenage girl who decided to hide in her closet and surprise her did for April Fool's Day. Daddy had a gun and thought that there was an intruder in the house. I believe that guns should be a right to responsible gun owners, but there's no telling if a purchaser is going to be responsible, plus, it opens up a whole new can of worms for accidents. Even if there are gun cabinets, I've heard kids causally say, "Oh yeah, I know where he keeps the keys. I unlock it to look at them all the time"

    I've heard too many women talk about how they want to get a gun, and the stupidity and naivete makes me want to punch them because they don't deserve to have one. Like I said, all they want to do is wave it in someone's face and say, "I have a gun, get away from me!" It gives them a false sense of confidence rather than actual security. The Stripper FAQ said it really well. You are not going to shoot someone's knife out of his hand, you are going to blow a hole in his torso. Do it becasue you need defense, not so you can have that false sense.
    I am sorry that you have had such bad experiences, but when dealt with properly, guns cause no risk to families. My father was in law enforcement, and he owned many guns. He told us about them from an early age, and taught us the dangers and the benefits of the guns. Any time we wanted to see them, he would let us, and because of this, there was no real reason to want to sneak around and find a key to get the guns out. In the tragic situation of the father shooting his daughter, the father was obviously not educated on gun safety. It was an accident and I don't want to sound as if I am saying that the situation was anyone's fault, but education would have kept the accident from occuring.

    Always remember the cliche, "Guns don't kill people. People kill people." Education is key.
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    I agree with you wholeheartedly, Auburn. I'm a marine corps brat, myself, and if the family takes appropriate precautions (which includes educating their children) there's no reason at all for tragedy to take place. Accidents happen - but they are preventable with education.

    As far as my gun being taken and used on me? About as likely as being struck by lightning four times in a row on the eight of november. They aren't going to know I have it til they're down. Again, that's all in the courses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crow
    Plastic fantastic. I shoot my Glock on a regular basis at the target range. As I stated before I was taught by a marine how to care for and use a gun and even though he is not my husband anymore he would most certainly crawl my behind if I did not take care of my handgun. Since it was a gift from him to begin with.

    If I get another handgun it will be more along the lines of a lady Remington. My Glock is almost to big for my hand.

    Thank you for the information but believe me, I know perhaps more than I want to know about handguns and how they work. At least for a girl.
    hahaha....I understand what you mean. My boyfriend started out with the seals until he started loosing hearing, so I have been more than educated on guns....not to mention my father was a probation/parole officer who loved to hunt. Remington is a great choice. I just hate glocks. People always seem to love em or hate em. I've never shot a glock that I liked, but I've got a lot of friends who won't buy anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by auburnengineer
    Another good choice is a Sig 9 mm. There is very little kick and the gun is a beauty.
    Yes - if I got a handgun, I'd want it to be a Sig!

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    As for self-defense I would suggest to go for the balls, and go hard. Most guys will expect it and try to protect themselves there, so distract them and poke their eyes or kick their shins first. Then once they are distracted, kick, knee, punch or squeeze their nuts as hard as you can. It's a good idea to take classes and to practice the moves semi often to make them a reflex and not something you think about and freeze in a real situation.

    It's not a cure all, but alot of times you don't have to beat the guy up, only put up enough of a fight and make enough noise to make him want to move on.

    Good luck!.

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    1) Anyone who would threaten your life deserves to suffer and die. Cement this in your mind.
    2) Aside from basic self-defense training, learn knife handling. This is the easiest, cheapest, legal way to defend yourself if accosted. I won't get all gory, but even a small person can defend his or herself with a knife in a one-on-one situation.
    3) Keep in mind that if you are accosted by two or more assailants, you need to run your self out of there.......there is no way one person can beat several unless you happen to be packing an Uzi.

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    Some of the advice on this thread isn't the best.

    You aren't going to poke the guy in the eye and apply elbow strike #3 to bust his kneecap while he's distracted. You aren't a ninja this isn't a movie. The honest/sad truth is that men are bigger and stronger then women. If a guy really wants to hurt you he probably can and all the self defense training in the world isn't going to help. For every story about some woman who beat up her attacker there a thousand more that end in her getting raped or mugged or worse. Carry a weapon that you're able to use effectively, its the only thing that will balance out the size differential.

    As someone who has been into martial arts since I was a kid (I have a black belt in tae kwon do, and I studied akido for about a year) I can honestly say that in a real fight they're fairly useless. If you really want to learn something you can pickup quickly and apply I'd reccomend boxing. I've been boxing for three years now and its the only place I really learned to throw an effective punch. However, it still won't assure that you'll be able to fend off your attacker. We have some very talented female amateurs at the gym where I train, we spar sometimes and even though they are far better boxers than I am (or ever will be) and they have much better conditioning; I outweigh them by 60 pounds or so, its never really a contest.

    My personal advice is
    1. Avoid bad situations, keep an awareness of who else is on the street, where people might be hiding and where you're going to run to if something goes down.

    2. If you want to carry a weapon, carry a gun and learn how to use it. I don't personally own one or feel any need to, but my friend who carries says a 9mm doesn't have enough stopping power to be reliable. He carries a .357 revolver, I've shot it a few times and it definitely has a lot more kick than his 9mm does.

    3. If you can't/won't carry a gun I'd suggest an expandable baton and the classes to learn how to use it. I got one for my sister when she went away to college, thankfully she's never had to use it. However, I'm pretty sure that if she ever popped it out the sound alone would be enough to scare away most people. Upthread someone mentioned carrying a knife, I personally think its a bad idea. When you stab someone it isn't like they fall over dead, most of the time they don't even really register it. In the time between them being stabbed and actually losing enough blood to pass out they're still attacking you. With a baton you hit them and you break a bone or deeply bruise a muscle, you're more likely to stop them.

    4. If something happens, the plan in your mind should be to run away and make a lot of noise. I'm a pretty big guy and honestly if a much larger man was looking like he wanted to attack me and I could run away it wouldn't even be a second thought for me. I'd be gone.

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    johnnychimpo,

    I have to say your post is tremendously misinformed. I really don't think you know what you're talking about. I am a woman, I've had very minimal training and have 3 times now succesfully fended off very physical attacks from aggressive men. 2 times it was the fingers to the eyes then knee to the balls and one time it was just swinging, kicking and making noise. In all three cases I did not have the opportunity to run away ( or I would have in a second). Below are 3 real life cases I found on a real quick search, there are thousands more.

    I'm not trying to start a flame war, just don't want misinformation getting out.

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    I don't think he's necessarily misinformed--but he might not be used to dealing with women with as much spirit as you have, lol.

    Most women who read a few posts telling them to poke someone's eyes or kick a guy in the balls might only succeeed in pissing off a hardened criminal used to streetfighting.

    OTOH, some of the women I've seen brawling in the dressing room would possibly leave permanent scars on even a good fighter, even if they ultimately lost. They weren't trained in any martial arts, either--they just knew that if they wanted to win, picking up the straightening iron and bashing the other woman in the head with it without any trace of mercy was the way to go...

    You have to take a guy seriously who has the balls to admit he'd run from a bigger man who might be equally skilled--much the wiser course than trying to prove his manhood (in about the dumbest way there is to do so, lol).

    I think what he's trying to say is what has been mentioned here before, if you don't know how to fight instinctively, don't try it--run away...

    If you can't run away, hope you have the kind of spirit and viciousness necessary to kill or maim without hesitation, and with any luck, some worthwhile practice--but the average woman (or man, for that matter) doesn't have it--not by a long shot.
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    jsmythe,

    I'm sorry to hear you've had to deal with that sort of aggression in your life. I'm not a woman and I've never had anyone try to rape me or even mug me so yeah I definitely don't have your perspective on this. In fact my perspective is probably a bit colored by the fact that I'm a pretty big guy I'm 5'11" I weigh about 200, and I've been involved in some sort of fighting sport since I was 12 or so. In my experience a finger in the eye or even a nutshot hasn't ever stopped me, it hurts but it isn't a showstopper.

    I have a pretty personal reason for posting my ex was assaulted by her boyfriend (now ex) he broke her arm and her jaw. She'd been studying kung fu about a year and in her words "I knew he was crazy and he wanted to hurt me, I thought I could stop him" she obviously didn't. The only reason I posted was because I wouldn't want anyone else to get hurt in a situation that could have been avoided.

    All I wanted to get across in my post is that its best to run, its second best to use a weapon, and if that isn't happening you're probably in some serious trouble. You're very lucky to have been able to fend off your attackers, however I hope you don't mistake good fortune for ability.

    As for the stories you posted, those are very brave and lucky women, but they're the exception. The fact that there are stories about "woman fighting off attacker" is indicative that they're exceptional and newsworthy. The more common result "woman was raped in a parking lot" doesn't get written up anywhere other than in the police blotter.

    I think this may have come across as abrasive, I apologize I don't mean to be. Its just an issue that happens to be somewhat personal for me.

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    I gave this some thought & wanted to point out 2 important things- Adrenaline will enable you to make the fastest run of your life when you life is being threatened. Ideally, that should be your first instinct. Screaming is a good idea too.
    The other thing- if you REALLY think you can take a single male attacker on, your advantage is using his height and weight against him. One of my friends who grew up in the Oakland CA ghetto pointed out how "[Latinos] win fights." Dirty fighting. Shank the abdomen, groin or 2 leg arteries. Find a way to make him go down so you can RUN.

    The whole scenario is pretty grim- the world is full of Alpha A-Holes who figured out it's easier to take whatever they want. Not a fair bone in their bodies. So, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 (jurors versus pallbearers.)

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    There's a lot of good info within this thread, the thing to do is find what works best for you and run with it... so to speak.

    Myself I was raised by an ex-marine who taught me self defense very young. I also was brought up around guns and am very comfortable handling them. However i'd never carry one to use for self defense purposes. I think what a lot of people miss is that you might not have a chance to get your weapon out and use it. I'd never tell someone not to carry one, it just isn't for me.

    The one time I was in a dangerous situation where I was attacked I went for the ole "poke the eyes" thing. I just was very very aggresive about it. Even if someone is cracked out, if you literally rupture the orb of the eye via using your thumbs (they're much stronger than fingers and more able to pop through the lids/eyes - sorry if that's gross) I don't care how fucked up they are, they certainly won't be able to see you any longer never mind anything else. The idiot who decided I looked like a good rape candidate now is down an eye. I rammed my thumb right into the sucker til it popped and ran down his face.

    The most important thing to remember is to not freeze up, don't give them a chance to out-think or counteract whatever form of defense you decide on



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    Quote Originally Posted by ChloeTheRed
    In general, be vicious.
    I think that's really key. fight back, make noise. when it comes to self defence, just doing stuff like that can make an attacker think "this might be too much effort" and give up.

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    If I get another handgun it will be more along the lines of a lady Remington. My Glock is almost to big for my hand....

    .... I want it to be a Sig

    check out a (steel, compact) IMI Baby Eagle in S&W .40 - small enough for a 120lb girl to handle easily, but enough 'stopping power' to put down your assailant in a threatening situation. Available for about $500.



    IMHO the very best pistol available today for self-defense use by a 120lb girl is probably the Heckler&Koch (polymer) P2000SK in a S&W .40 - it's tiny, it only weights 1.3 pounds and will drop an ox - but it ain't cheap ($900+) which is the reason I haven't bought one yet !




    If you're gonna own a gun, you'd damn well better be prepared to use it. You'd better take it to a shooting range and practice, you'd better be prepared to blow a hole in somebody, you'd better be aware of the risks.
    Absolutely true ! Otherwise, you run the risk of having your piece turned against you by the assailant. Also, if your aim sucks or if the calibre of your piece doesn't have the 'stopping power' to drop the asshole with your first shot, you run exactly the same risk. Along those lines, 9mm, .38 or .357 'light' loads are marginal at best, and anything smaller is a joke - which is why I went with the .40 S&W.
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    Hi there, I've been a lurker for a while after a friend who was thinking about getting into dancing showed me the site. A couple years ago I had no opinion really on guns, but thought that the people who carried guns every day might be a touch paranoid. Since being followed one day by a rather scary guy down a street alone though my mind changed. I carry a cell phone partially in case I have car problems. Sometimes the police just aren't around when you need them though and a gun is really just a tool for self preservation. Somehow I think most of us have had been conditioned to think thats odd. I'm not sure why. I have a fire extinguisher in my car in case it catches on fire, is it that terrible to carry a gun to defend myself?

    That said there are some caveats. You can't just get a gun and throw it in your purse. You need training. They're pretty simple to operate, but learning to use one defensively is quite important. One of the best things you'll learn in these classes is situational awareness. Once you start paying more attention to your surrounding and knowing whats going on you'll have more of an idea of when you might need to turn the other way, drive away, or draw your gun and keep it hidden and ready.

    Almost every state has some provision for allowing people to carry concealed weapons. Some however are "may issue" which means you have to prove to a judge or sherrif that you have a valid reason to want to protect your life... If you'd like to check out the laws in your state go to

    If you want to check out a couple firearm related forums I recommend (which even has a women's issues forum) and Both are full of good people who will be eager to help you with advice or tell you where to find some training. This is very useful because alot of holsters and things of that sort are designed for men. Feedback from other women who carry will help you find a holster that fits a woman's body shape better. Gun selection is a very personal thing and will be determined partially by hand size and by how it shoot. Some like a glock, some want a 1911, some enjoy the sig239, some an HK, some a snub revolver, some a small kel-tec. They're all fantastic weapons.

    I of course agree that if you find the thought of taking a life in self defense to be something you couldn't do, guns aren't for you. They aren't an intimidation device. For what its worth though there are an estimated 2 million times a year that a gun is used in the US defensively and the HUGE majority of them don't include a single shot being fired. The famous study that cites that you're more likely to have your gun used against you is also quite flawed, it included all deaths by guns in the home, including suicide which is almost the entire majority. As far as accidental deaths by having a gun in the home in 2000 600 people died from firearms accidents. 400 people died from gas poisoning, 3400 by suffocation, 3600 in a fire, 3900 by drowning, 16,200 by falliing. Its tragic whenever anyone dies accidentally, but the real truth is your stairs are far more likely to kill you than guns. The larest group killed by gun accidents was 25-44...hardly children.

    Anyway should you decide you don't want to go through training with a gun, or your state has decided only the police and criminals should be armed in your state a can of pepper spray is a decent alternative although never a guarantee. Fox Labs is a brand that a huge number of police deparments use and I bought some keychain units and a 2oz bottle from here and they were a good seller. Many people advise you take a shot of it in the face to see what its like since you'll probably get some in your face too if you ever use it, but I haven't been that brave yet.

    Sorry for turning this into such a long post and a bit of a soapbox rant, but I think theres alot of missinformation out there and if spending 10 minutes typing will keep someone from getting raped or killed I think its quite worth my time. Be safe.

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    Go on-line and order some Bear Spray - it's an extremely harsh type of pepper spray that was developed for close encounters with Grizzly Bears in Alaska (the Park Rangers in Denali have found it to be far more effective than large caliber handguns) - and have it in your hand and ready to use every night BEFORE you get out of your car. While there might be some very limited number of guys lit up on whatever that can take a shot of this stuff in the face and keep coming, I guarantee they're few and far between.
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    If you want to learn some great physical self-defense techniques, a book to check out: "Defend Yourself!: Every Woman's Guide to Safeguarding her Life" by Matt Thomas. It teaches awareness, verbal and physical contact techniques for almost *any* way a woman might be threatened or attacked. It involves nothing besides your own mind and body. It's exhastive and even scary in covering so many attack situations and positions (weapons, forcable oral sex positions). But it's SO exhastive, it can also give you a better sense of security.

    You've got to be mentally prepared to use the techniques (some of them could cause serious injury to the attacker), and go over them again perodically. I've got to look over it again...

    One thing I've got to say though, looking at everyone as a potential attacker can keep you in "shell-up" mode in other aspects of life. But our world has a dark side and ignoring that will not make it go away.

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    also, there is an article somewhere i read like reader's digest or something that lists things to do, or not do in an attack and also preventing one. #1) always have your hair pulled back so a rapist cannot use it against you, i.e. jerk you from behind, #2) have your largest key held firmly in your hand point facing outwards so you can dig someones out with it #3)do not wear jewelry, belts, anything that can be used against you #4) wear running shoes, loose clothing to run in #5)always be aware of your surroundings, drive thru an area before you stop, look under your car, around your front door, ppl like to force their way in. mace is a good idea also, look as ugly as you can, even though rapists don't rape for looks they do it for control, but it keeps your average idiot away. i'm not sure i like the before mentioned" talking on the phone"...... it doesn't matter if that person hears something happening, or calls someone...all you have is SECONDS TO SAVE YOUR LIFE!!! i feel that takes away concentration on your surroundings, always be aware of who is lurking, you can't do that when your occupied on the phone. as horrible as this is going to sound... that guy will slit your throat and be gone looooooong before 911 or your friend can help you . you need not to be distracted! also look on the net , they have sites where they have interviewed rapists as to what they look for in prey. good luck, stay safe!!!

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