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    I'm new to the dancing world, lol, and my first week was AWESOME. One of the "top dollar" girls was off that week..haha. So, anyway, she comes back, and this girl makes at least $700 a night (that's a slow night), but my issue is that when a guy wants a dance after her, he tries to do the little "extras", which is not my thing. So, it's like you can't make any money without the "extras". It's so irritating.

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    Sorry Raquel, to hear how this is getting you down.

    It does sound like you are enjoying at least some of your new experience. Some of the experienced gals posting here seem to experience some highs and lows, so be careful not to set yourself up for a low.

    Since you're new to dancing, you may want to take an inventory of everything you have available to you to sell and entertain.

    Looks
    Charm
    Attitude
    Dance moves
    Conversation
    Extras

    Evaluate what you offer and what the "top dollar" girls offer to differentiate yourself and remain confident in your approach. Guys will always buy confidence, it's a hormonal state they crave.

    In my own experience as a customer, I've personally never felt comfortable asking for "extras", however dancers certainly have differentiated themselves by what they will do for upselling additional dances or a trip to the VIP.

    Please don't ignore the use of conversation and the establishment of rapport in order to upsell customers. Personally, I am a repeat buyer of these gals as long as the contact level reinforces the SS. The contact doesn't need to qualify as "extras", but needs to reinforce a sense of intimacy. For some, it could be a light touch on the cheek, or running her nose along my ear (please, do NOT purr, or blow, that's just cheesy).

    In one of my local clubs, one of the famous top dollar gals uses various levels of contact that other gals don't feel comfortable with. She is very successful and is hard to get dances from. For her, she uses this perceived popularity to enhance the fantasy of getting a dance from her. After a year of going to her club, I finally got a dance from her and she quickly escalated the contact in order to upsell me without andy SS. Personally I wasn't aroused and was embarrased a bit by her blatant use of contact. I realized she was using me to sell to the rest of the crowd.

    Anyway, welcome to the biz, best of luck and I hope you find some good advice from the gals here.


    "Life is not about the number of breaths you take.
    It's about those moments which leave you breathless."

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    I have danced in TX since 2001 and have found that as the years have gone by more and more contact is expected in the SCs down here. Sad but true. Not that you have to do the "extras" to make money. But if you know that another girl is making $700 and you know why and you're not comfortable doing the same things, it's really not fair to compare why you are not making the same.
    Also, how do you know how much $ she makes? I have found that if you ask girls how much they make, they will generally inflate the amount to make themselves look good and to intimidate new girls. (I've been guilty a time or two).

    "extras" is kind of vague and I think it means different things to different people, what I might consider ok to do with no problem might bother someone else, but the important thing is that we establish boundaries and stick to them and go home and still feel good about ourselves.

    One more thing, you are still new so you probably don't have any regulars yet. Once you start showing off your awesome personality and doing your thing, they will start coming back to see you. Once you cultivate your regs, you will see a vast improvement in your $$$.

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    at least you still have your diginity if you're not performing extraciracular activies.

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    Thanks for all the great advice!!

    AZ, thanks so much for the info. It really helps to get an answer from a customer. I try to get feedback from some of the guys (not sure if this is wrong or not, lol), and the answer I usually get is, "I just like it all." Hmmmm...thanks?

    Ava, she has told me before, and then, when we pay out at the end of the night, I've been behind her a couple of times. I'm like.......wwwhhooaaa

    Kam, that's exactly what I think when I walk out of there.

    I should mention, though, she is a very good hustler, which I am not. I'm just not real comfortable talking to a guy for 5 minutes, ask if he wants a dance, and if he doesn't, just walking off. Maybe that just comes with time? When I do booth dances, usually, it's from guys pulling me off stage, they come ask me while I'm around, or they ask me after we talk for a while. Sometimes, guys will even tell me how much of a turn off that is. All in all though, I'm having so much fun, and I really enjoy talking to the guys, dancing, and having a good time. It's just a bonus that I get paid for it.

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    I was the same way when I started - as far as not wanting to just walk up to them and face the potential rejection. I still don't go up to guys and say wanna dance unless it is 1am. You will learn how to read people better and weed out the non-spenders pretty quickly.

    Personally, I find it less exhaustiing when I can just talk to a guy for 5-10 min and get dances, than talk to them for longer and hope to get tipped extra. I find myself looking around at other girls doing dances and wishing that were me.

    It is critical for me to make connections while on stage at my club. Typically 60-70% of the guys I dance for I meet when I'm on stage. I will do my little dance, asking them if they're having fun, what their name is, would they like company when I get off stage. I also try to say something funny when appropriate or try and make a good impression. After I get off stage at the beginning of the night, (it's usually a little slow at 7:30) I go around to the guys that tipped me and say thank you, ask them how long they've been at the club etc. If they need a little time to get settled I tell them I'll come back, then I repeat the whole thing until I find a guy that looks like he will spend some money who is ready for a dance. By the time I'm done the others are usually ready for a dance and at least more customers have come in.

    It's really easy once you get into the pattern of doing this because you have a plan of attack.

    In the event that only a couple of guys tip and the club is dead (which happens in my town sometimes) then I think it is appropriate to lavish a little more time and attention on the customer. If the club is extremely busy, they can't really expect you to sit there and waste time talking when you could obviously be making more money- unless they are tipping you for your time- or it;s a regular who you know for sure is going to take care of you.

    Sorry this is so long and hope it helps.

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