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    Burka Vs Bikini - The Debauchery Of American Womanhood
    By Henry Makow, Ph.D.



    On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka.

    Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing nothing but a bikini.

    One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally exposed. These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of so-called "civilizations."

    The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing Arab oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping Arabs of their religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a bikini.

    I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love feminine beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am defending some of the values that the burka represents for me.

    For me, the burka represents a woman's consecration to her husband and family. Only they see her.

    It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic sphere.

    The Muslim woman's focus is her home, the "nest" where her children are born and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that sustains the spiritual life of the family, nurturing and training her children, providing refuge and support to her husband.

    In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically naked in front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. In practice, paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no one and everyone. She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is auctioning herself all of the time.

    In America, the cultural measure of a woman's value is her sex appeal. (As this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with appearance and plagued by weight problems.)

    As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be loved only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than to demand patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of males know her before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which is a part of her charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable to love, she is unfit to receive her husband's seed.

    The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship between mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice. Masculine nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and prey. It is based on aggression and reason.

    Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in "oppression" and that she should convert to male behavior instead. The result: a confused and aggressive woman with a large chip on her shoulder, unfit to become a wife or mother.

    This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO: undermine sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and personal dysfunction, and reduce population. (See ) In the "brave new world," women are not supposed to be nest makers, or progenitors of the race. They are meant to be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge in sex for physical pleasure, not for love or procreation.

    At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian women and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied that the US would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears? To low-rise "see-my-thong" pants? To the mutual masturbation that passes for sexuality in America?

    Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when we finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God's surrogates: creating and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us to reach this level of maturity. Pornography is the replacement for marriage. We are to remain stunted: single, sex-starved and self-obsessed.

    We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain lonely and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, in a state of perpetual courtship.

    This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex appeal. If a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," she is not likely to find a permanent mate.

    Her long-term personal fulfillment and happiness lies in making marriage and family her first priority.

    Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched American women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined millions of lives and represents a lethal threat to Islam.

    I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it represents, specifically a woman's consecration to her future husband and family, and the modesty and dignity this entails.

    The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies somewhere in the middle.

    Henry Makow, Ph.D. is the inventor of the board game Scruples and the author of "A Long Way to go for a Date." His articles on feminism and the New World Order are found at He welcomes your comments at [email protected]

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    I think Dr. Makow doesn't get laid too often.

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    Ha Ha^^^^

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    Interesting, I don't know that I agree with all of it but there's some definate valid points in there (-:

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    Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched American women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined millions of lives and represents a lethal threat to Islam.

    Says it all.

    I disagree with this fool.

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    I don't agree either but I enjoyed reading it.

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    Has anyone read the books written by an anonymous Princess of the Saudi Royal Family? Of course her identity is obscured because she would be killed for saying the things she wrote about- the cultures of burka & abaaya commit all the same crimes against women that occur in Western countries. There is just no restitution for the women. Their lot in life is to suffer. Royalty or slave, a female is a 2nd class citizen.
    "A woman only owns a grave and a veil." THAT'S a Saudi saying.
    "If a woman spoke the truth about her life, the world would split open." Another Arab proverb.

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    Interesting read. So what this guy is basically saying is that by giving women the choice to procreate on their own terms, the estenial "happiness" of families is destroyed?

    Someone should show this guy how when people dedicate themselves to living with out the burden of children that great things can be accomplished. Ask any Preist, Nun or Monk. I know, I know, in catholisim their spiritual leaders are supposed to be celebate . I'm sure the recent news stories against the catholic church highlights the fact that celebacy is a bit much to ask of most people, and I'm sure that throughout history preists and nuns have likely been sexually active, just not married.

    On the flip side, I have thought that maybe Burquas might be a modern answer to the constant unblinking eye of video surveilence so previlant in our society today. it really sort of creeps me out that I could be viewed by thousands of people online while I shop, drive or walk down the street. Throw on that burqua and I will stand out like a sore thumb, but my idenity will be consealed. I could be male or female under all those clothes. Heck, it may even get me out of an electronic traffic ticket, if I can't be identified behind the wheel of my car!


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    Basically, Dr. Makow is saying women are supposed to subjugate their happiness & fufillment to their families, whether these families deserve the sacrifice or not, whether the woman wishes to do so, or not....her desires do not matter in the big picture, since the female is a baby machine.

    (I wonder if Dr. Makow & Dr. Bill Cosby get together and have RetroGrade Pow-Wows.)

    Author Warren Farrell PhD. pointed out that historically, in Nordic & Anglican cultures, women have more autonomy & equality, possibly because the men in those cultures are not insanely threatened by female power, whereas Middle Eastern men help define their manhood by how they control their women.
    Some Middle Eastern countries were/are more liberal in terms of women rights than others (Iraqi women were relatively free up until the current war destabilized the nation, Iran was Westernized until the fall of the Shah, Bahrain is very Westernized........)
    It's not as simple as saying Westerners or Muslims are avatars of Rightness & Freedom, every culture is different.

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    works all ways but comes down to the gender DEFINE/DIVIDE
    which is a construct of the same "shitstem"

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    ^ Can you believe this kid?!? LOL

    You said it all.

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    i agree with the feminism comment to an extent
    but islam was created by the SAME machine
    by design
    "feminism/womans lib" was allowed to happen and pushed inorder to open the children for earlier indoctrabduction
    the gender define/divide is beyond lower level divisions and discriminations in the workforce inventory/wage differences
    and "happiness" is a distraction

    let us weep

    and to truly be honest the west mightve been bred this way for so many years to make way for genocide
    and the supressed "3rd world might be the citizens of the new world?(order

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmaxine
    "If a woman spoke the truth about her life, the world would split open." Another Arab proverb.

    Wow. That's heavy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by princessjefflina
    i agree with the feminism comment to an extent
    but islam was created by the SAME machine
    by design
    "feminism/womans lib" was allowed to happen and pushed inorder to open the children for earlier indoctrabduction
    the gender define/divide is beyond lower level divisions and discriminations in the workforce inventory/wage differences
    and "happiness" is a distraction

    let us weep

    What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiepunkshocker
    Interesting, I don't know that I agree with all of it but there's some definate valid points in there (-:

    That's about how I felt about the article as well. One thing I completely disagree with is the part that says long-term personal fulfillment and happiness lies in making marriage and family the first priority.

    Now that might be true for some but it sure isn't true for all. Long-term personal fulfillment and happiness is unique to each individual.

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    i wonder if he's a righty or a lefty...

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    I read this, and all I can think is blah, blah, fucking blah. At least in this very evil country of ours we're free to choose whether or not to wear a burquah or butt floss.

    If he thinks it's so great to live under a theocracy, I think he should get his ass on the next plane to Saudi Arabia.

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    I wonder if this ass has ever even cracked an actual book of Feminist Theory. I can't believe some people still think that Feminism is about Acting Like A Man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartcookie
    I read this, and all I can think is blah, blah, fucking blah. At least in this very evil country of ours we're free to choose whether or not to wear a burquah or butt floss.

    If he thinks it's so great to live under a theocracy, I think he should get his ass on the next plane to Saudi Arabia.

    Just give his web site a looking over and you will see the tin foil wall paper all over the place.

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    long term personal fulfillment and happiness are distractions
    and as far as im concerned obsolete with the world as is
    the only posible merit positive thinking (sotospeak) might have is the goood vibrations it sends into the world cos THEEEEEEY (psychicalienvampires)feed on negative energy
    but im just buttstorming
    so whateva
    the west""" is decadent by design thats true

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    Quote Originally Posted by pipermarau
    i wonder if he's a righty or a lefty...
    I haven't looked at his website but based on the article I'm guessing the right. I say that because he seems to think a woman's value is 100% based on popping out babies and cleaning house. Which is fine if that is what a woman chooses for herself. But women who do not go that route have just as much human value as those who do.

    I thought what he wrote was interesting and all but he seemed a little too extreme on the maried, barefoot and pregnant thing being the only way for a woman to be happy and have value in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Star_bare_elegance

    Her long-term personal fulfillment and happiness lies in making marriage and family her first priority.
    Im rather curious to find out where a man such as he has the balls to state as "fact" what an entire gender in this country should be doing to achieve personal fulfillment.

    I guess all you single women out there did not know you were doing it all wrong until Dr. Henry came along.

    I do take comfort in knowing that his views will not be taken seriously by the populace at large, and can be discounted for the subjective claptrap for what it is.
    Last edited by Prester_John; 05-25-2006 at 11:51 AM.

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    "In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically naked in front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. In practice, paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no one and everyone."


    -- I found this pretty interesting, and that's about it. The rest was just poppycock.

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