is looking like a very wise choice to me after seeing this video![]()
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is looking like a very wise choice to me after seeing this video![]()
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wow, I already gave up meat....now I am giving up milk and eggs
I watched the whole movie....the milk industry is supporting the veal industry![]()
Only made it through a minute, couldn't watch without crying, my man made me turn it off.![]()
I tried to get my best friend and boyfriend to watch it...and neither would because it was so sad.
But I guess that's the point. Meat is good until you think about the reality behind it. it's easier not to think about it, I guess. That way it's not on your conscience.


I'm not going to bother to watch it. I've seen enough PETA videos to know that they're full of propaganda. (ie: people who eat meat and wear leather and fur are MURDERERS!!!) PETA would be a decent organization if they weren't so insane, but really, don't pay attention to those idiots.
Their child-geared propaganda is even worse. Have you ever seen the pamphlets they make available for distribution? They have one for children called "YOUR DADDY MURDERS CHICKENS".
(... did I mention i'm a vegetarian?)
I watched about 5 minutes of that before I got tired of the unreasonable bias that it has.
Peta is a fucking joke! They must be run by a bunch of people who aren't on psych meds but should be!
That video is an example of the worst practices around. They don't talk about the well-run producers, of course. That would cause them to lose their credibility. Hardly desired for a propaganda piece!
We're all aware that things like that do occur. They are not the norm however.
For those of us who choose to eat meat, I suggest we pay attention to where our meat is coming from. This isn't always easy to do, and you will pay more for the effort. Perhaps it's worth it. If no one buys from producers who mistreat their animals, they will go out of business.
I worked for PETA for 3 years and I can say that the staff is not a bunch of "crazy" people who need "meds." Sure, PETA does use heavy-handed pubilcity tactics to gain attention in this over-saturated media world, but that is a far cry from lying.
Over 95% of the 9 billion animals slaughtered in the U.S. for food each year are raised and slaughtered in these conditions. This is not really a matter for debate. When you attend a school like Purdue (which is in my home state and to which many friends have gone over the years) and enroll in the Animal Husbandry program, this is what you learn: intensive farming. That is, how to make the largest amount of profit from the smallest amount of space and resource output. It's business: maximize output while minimizing costs. And because of this, egg-laying hens, for example, spend their entire lives crammed 4 or 5 to a cage the size of a file drawer and cannot even spread one wing fully. For their whole lives. This is the reality today, and I don't care how you feel about PETA, that is FUCKED up.
Not one single law, state or otherwise, governs how animals are treated on factory farms. The actual test for what is considered to be humane is whether or not a practice is "industry standard." If everyone is doing it, then it's ok. Along those same lines, there is no certification for things like "cage-free" or "free-range."
I've not eaten meat, milk or eggs for 6 years. Not because I'm crazy, but because I am aware of the way these industries run nowadays and I will not support it.
I'm mostly vegetarian due to economics, which is more common than you think. I also grew up being supported by the Dairy Industry, so my feelings are mixed.
There is no reason to cause excess suffering to any animal for any reason. The ag industry has made changes in processing, not enough, honestly, but there will come a day when agribusiness can eradicate excess suffering. Keep in mind all living creatures die.
I was a vegetarian for 12 years. I no longer am, but I look forward to the day when I can go back to only eating kosher meat. It costs more, but it's better quality and I know it's humane (and besides, I feel better about it religiously and I like supporting traditional Jewish business). Unfortunately I can't afford it right now, but I can't afford meat very often anyway, and I still prefer to eat vegetarian most of the time.
I need dairy though. I can't be happy without cheese, and that imitation soy shit is horrible.
That video is so sad. It deserves to be mentioned, though, that one can be an ethical and caring meat eater via the free-range and organic industry. I have no problems with animals dying to be my food- but I don't want it to be a horrible death, or a horrible life.
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Originally Posted by madmaxine
except there is. it's cheaper to put 4 cows in the space for two. Since you make more money off breast meat, it's more economical to make these genetically engineered chickens that can barely walk without toppling over. Since tender veal meat is more desirable than rough, it's more desirable to keep them confined.
When companies like McDonald's buy most of the beef out there (they are #2 for chicken buying), and you are a cattle farmer, you are forced to do business this way or not do business at all. One can say, "oh, buy only meat that was ethically produced", but how many people do this?
And if you think the cattle are treated bad, wait until you learn how they treat the slaughterhouse employees! They are largely Mexican immigrants who are working here illegally (thus have no protection or rights) and are forced to work on super-fast assembly lines. Use your imagination.
I didn't watch the video, from the comments I'm fairly certain it's something I don't want to see. I am trying to become a vegetarian, but it's easier said than done. (for me anyway) But, I have cut down on meat, and am still working on it!![]()
I believe you Dottie and you have my support
I think the best way (or at least the way that has worked for me) is to give up a little at a time. That way you don't miss it.Originally Posted by sxybrat07
I've tried being a total vegan and it's hard. So I guess I'm going through the process too.I've gotten to the point where I don't even crave it, although I will admit I do enjoy the meat substitutes out there. They do taste just like meat!
Let me clarify. Yes overcrowding occurs in factory farming, but the producers have reason to prevent these kind of offenses- disease is spread faster in overcrowded pens & barns. With the occurence of dangerous diseases caused by incorrect practices in agribusiness (Mad Cow disease, hoof & mouth, Bird Flu, etc.) producers finally have a real motivation to change- they'll change not out of virtue but to maintain sales of their product. Public image is so valuable to agribusiness producers- that is why the Beef Industry in Texas sued Oprah Winfrey for an offhand comment she made on her show about "never eating a burger again." She affected their sales.
I say this because I live in a region of California that is mostly agribusiness. Entire towns and counties here depend on food production to surivive.
Social trends can affect factory farmers too- the biggest producer of poultry in California has experienced a sales slump coinciding with the decline of the Atkins Diet trend. And of course, if there is enough pressure from consumers (read: buying trends) producers will be forced to change their mode of business to stay in business.
OK, let me clarify my point about Peta a bit...
They have done some good work, particularily in the area of product testing on animals and medical experiments using animals. These things aren't necessary at all and need to be done away with.
On the other hand, they seem to want to mix animal cruelty in with Vegetarianism. Wanting to end animal suffering isn't the main reason why being a vegetarian night be a good alternative to meat.
I jumped over to their website after viewing the video. I decided to start with the "Vegetarian Starter Kit", figuring it might give me an intro. to being a vegetarian. Ya right! It's a diatribe on animal cruelty with regard to the agrobusiness process.This was what I figured and boy did I get it!
So off I went, in search of some information about human health benefits of being a vegeterian. I found PCRM (Physicians for Responsible Medicine). They approach the topic from the angle I'm looking for. A much better place to learn about it than PETA, that's for sure!
I don't having anything against what PETA is trying to accomplish. What I can't stand are the methods they use to do it. Poorly directed rage isn't the most effective way to accomplish a goal.
Case-in-point: Several posters here said they didn't even bother watching the clip. Already you've lost some audience.
They alienate themselves nearly every chance they get. They might do a more effective job if they weren't in everyone's face all the time.
PETA doesn't address the real problem anyway... Overpopulation and poverty. There is only so much available land and food sources for the 6+ billion people on the planet. By 2020 our world population could be as much as 10 billion people requiring a diet of 2000 +/- calories a day. Only 17% of the world population can actually afford to buy food, even at the low prices that mass production of food has created. So basically PETA is writing a death sentence for 83% of the planet. 26% on the planet is just suffering nutritional defficiacies (like a rice only diet, for instance) and 57% of the world population has to try to survive on 500 calories a day or less.
Most of the overpopulation problems are caused by horrible governments and Monarchy's treating their people horribly (North Korea, Mexico, Most of the continent of Africa and Asia, anyone?). This is the same set of problems that cause the extreme poverty in many of these locations.
And although PETA has good intentions for their work, the circumstances causing the problem in the first place need to be resolved before they will make any progress in their Quest for world wide veganism.
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As a group whose goal is the ethical treatment of animals I'd say it's their purpose to associate animal cruelty with vegetarianism. Their main purpose is not to make it a vegetarian/vegan world, but to end the cruelty. You are completely right in saying that there are a plethora of other reasons to become vegetarian.Originally Posted by NoCoverLover
And yes. Everytime I get an email or their magazine in the mail, I do cringe. If seeing dying chickens mechanically seperated at a plant that produces for KFC and McDonalds is the images that stays most in my mind (versus health reasons) and keeps me from buying it, then PETA's methods do work.
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Didja know the original founder of PETA has diabetes and needs a shot that kills piggies in order to be produced and refuses the vegetarian version of the drug just because she prefers it and says it's alright because it's helping her? When she originally bitched about killing animals for ANY reason... it's okay if they're helping HER.
PETA or not, supporting companies that are cruel to animals is wrong, IMO. I haven't yet figured out which companies do and which don't. I need to figure that out because I really don't want to become a vegetarian but I would hate to think of how bad those animals had to suffer just so I could have a good meal.
Ingrid Newkirk (my old boss) does have diabetes and she does take insulin that is of animal origin. It is untrue that she refuses a vegetarian version of the drug. Such a thing does not exist.
How can you compare taking medicine for a potentially fatal illness with eating a hamburger because the taste of the meat is pleasing to yuor palate? Ingrid and PETA do NOT advocate going without the medicines that we need. In the U.S. ALL pharmacueticals must undergo animal testing. IS PETA anti-pharmacuetical? Hell no. As it happens, right now, there is no alternative. However, we ALL have an alternative to the cruelty of the meat and dairy industries. Every time we sit down to a meal we can choose compassion over cruelty. It's that simple.





Originally Posted by Dottie Rebel
http://www.european-vegetarian.org/l...indianfirm.php
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract
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Meat from animals that are allowed to roam free is higher in healthy fatty acids than meat from animals that are confined. Sure, it costs more. But what is it worth to you to live longer? Heart health is pretty damn important, yanno. To say nothing of the cancer risk from eating hormone-treated animals. And other risks too.
Sure, maybe a man's gotta have his meat, but if he gets it from an average American source, it might give him breasts. How's that for macho?
Cows injected with RBST wind up with infections, so there's pus in the milk, which has been tied to Crohn's disease. If you don't know what Crohn's disease is, look it up. It's pretty horrible.
There are a zillion ways in which bad food sources can kill you, slowly or quickly. And the FDA is hardly taking notice.
My partners eat meat and get organic or free-range when they can. We get free-range eggs and RBST-free dairy. This should be the baseline for first-world food sources. I wish it was. Dairy and meat laws are at least somewhat better in Europe.





There seems to be an attempt to link two subjects here; vegetarianism and cruelty to animals. The two are seperate and not directly related.
I detest cruelty to animals and firmly believe that that anyone guilty of it should be sent to prison for a long sentence. In the UK at least there is a tendency to farm using more humane methods. Battery farming of chickens is on the way out - they're still intensively reared, but with a lot more space, and in surroundings that provide a bit of variety.
I eat meat and try to be a bit discerning in where I buy it. For example, there's a farm shop close to where I live and where I can buy locally butchered meat. The farm from where it comes appears to be well run, with the animals in good condition. I'd have to say the animals appear to be being raised in humane conditions.
Although I eat meat, I have no problem with people being vegetarian. It's a lifestyle choice, and they have a perfect right not to eat meat. I have vegetarian friends and if I'm eating out with them, will happily eat vegetarian food. I do this as a courtesy to them - if they're uncomfortable with meat, they may not want me to eat it while I'm with them. That said, my veggie friends have often said if I want to order a meat dish, feel free.
Conversely, it's my choice to eat meat and I would expect anyone vegetarian to respect that choice. As I said above, I will do my best not to make vegetarian friends uncomfortable, but ultimately, they've got to respect my choices, just as I've got to respect theirs.
What I think is morally wrong is to use cruelty to animals as an arguement to stop eating meat. If, (and it's a big if), animals are raised in humane conditions, then I seen nothing wrong with meat as a food.
Treat the issues of vegatarianism v meat and cruelty to aminals as seperate issues.
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Actually, yes it does!Originally Posted by Dottie Rebel
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Humilin is human insulin made using rDNA (recombinant DNA) technology. Basically you take the gene that causes a human to produce insulin and splice it into E-Coli bacteria.
Guess what?? The little fuckers start making insulin from the cultures in which they live! This is then filtered, sterilized and shipped to us diabetics. This is marketed as biosynthetic insulin.
NCL anxiously awaits the arrival of The People For the Ethical Treatment of Bacteria (PETB)!
I use Humulin myself and have for over 10 years. Hence my awareness of it.
There is a competing product:
http://www.novopharm.com/product_search_e.asp
which is also human insulin. This one is animal-based though. They take porcine insulin and chemically replace one amino acid to make human insulin. This is marketed as semisynthetic insulin.
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No matter what you feel about PETA, what does that have to do with personal decisions on what you do?
I assume we don't steal because it's ethically wrong (versus legally wrong) and we'd feel bad if we did it to someone. We can empathize with the victim.
That's what it is for me. I feel too much compassion for the animal to mitigate the pleasure in eating it. I don't care who in PETA does what. I'm sure there are a lot of hypocrites, but that doesn't change ANYTHING for me. At the end of the day, I have to live with my conscience and it makes me uncomfortable to think about the way animals are treated.
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