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    I know that dancers are there to make money but just what can you or can you not believe that comes out of their mouth? I am not talking about things like pretending to like you physically but other stuff that a friend would say.

    The other week one of my favorites told me that I could ask her anything I wanted. Does she really mean this? or is their a limit? Another scenario was when I had given out of money but didn't want to use to club's ATM, there was bank right next door. The dancer told me "To be careful, you never know who is watching you and might try to rob you?(It was at night). I mean that sounds like stuff that you would tell a friend or someone that you look at as good person. However, she isn't my friend so is she just blowing smoke?

    I guess there is a line to what is true and what isn't. Maybe she thinks I am a good person or maybe she is just good at what she does. What about you guys do you believe most of what your favorite dancer tells you? Is she trustworthy? does she think of you as a trustworthy guy?

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    Question .....does...... not....... compute....! OK, to give a more serious or at least useful answer I'll quote what an old fav told me. "I've never lied to you, just left out some important details." As long as it's not obvious SS or involves my tiproll, I take for granted that they're telling the truth. No reason for me to think otherwise. Also take into consideration that in a club situation with no strings attached people may say or confess things to each other that they would never tell anyone else. Given that fact, the "ask me anything" tactic is a good psychological move on her part. It helps create an emotional bond to guarantee your future business. The statement about watching your safety sounds like nothing more than common courtesy. I think that getting too concerned about whether she is telling the truth every time she opens her mouth will only make you a crazy, bitter little custy. If you like her company and she delivers what you want enjoy the experinece for what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jpac73
    I know that dancers are there to make money but just what can you or can you not believe that comes out of their mouth? I am not talking about things like pretending to like you physically but other stuff that a friend would say.

    The other week one of my favorites told me that I could ask her anything I wanted. Does she really mean this? or is their a limit? Another scenario was when I had given out of money but didn't want to use to club's ATM, there was bank right next door. The dancer told me "To be careful, you never know who is watching you and might try to rob you?(It was at night). I mean that sounds like stuff that you would tell a friend or someone that you look at as good person. However, she isn't my friend so is she just blowing smoke?

    I guess there is a line to what is true and what isn't. Maybe she thinks I am a good person or maybe she is just good at what she does. What about you guys do you believe most of what your favorite dancer tells you? Is she trustworthy? does she think of you as a trustworthy guy?
    It is not just dancers. Believe nothing a woman says period. You as a male do not have the communication ability to understand anything she says. It is not that she is lying. It is your fault for being a male. You just do not understand. Believe what you see or pay the private investigator to find out. Anything you say will be held against you so be quiet. If you don’t speak you will be accused of being retarded. There is no way to win. Treat it as a game and get a dog. When you have a problem with your woman talk to the dog. That will make you feel better and not affect your status with the woman. Even better be a horse whisperer. Women like men who can communicate with horses. It doesn’t matter that horses are one of the dumbest creatures on earth. Ants are brighter but women prefer horses.
    There are men on this forum who think they communicate with women and they all have some things in common.

    I know deep down inside you are not trying to have sex with a dancer and your post is motivated by the desire to have a meaningful conversation with an attractive woman that you would never be able to do in real life because you are an ugly skank or a socially unacceptable dweeb.

    Don’t feel like the lone ranger. There are a lot of strippers who would be perfectly happy with an ugly skank or a socially unacceptable dweeb as long as you have the money to pay for the fantasy.

    99% of the time you will get taken to the cleaners but there there is that one percent to hope for. Good luck.



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    it absolutely depends on the girl and your relationship with her. personally, i'm very honest, but as docido said, i will "leave out details". i'm very good at focusing on what i -can- be truthfull about and leaving out what i can't. i don't lie to guys and tell them i will date them or whatever. if i -ever- told a guy i was interested in dating him, it would be a reality. of course, this is only something i bring up if they ask outright. i usually avoid the "can we date" questions by saying vauge things or playing cute and mysterious. not all of the girls working as dancers are outright liars. most of them are just good at letting you keep your fantacy. oh, and i -never- lie about who i am when questions relate to what i like, where i grew up, that sort of thing. some girls have whole fake lives made up, but from my experiance, they are the minority. as far as friendly comments, some times it's just being polite because you are a customer and sometimes it's genuine. like i said, it depends on the girl and what she thinks of you. i don't view every customer exactly the same way, it's impossible. i think it's fairly easy to tell when someone is genuine... but then again.. i'm one of the girls.

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    I pretty much always tell the basic truth. For example, I'll tell a guy I'm in school (which I am), but I may lie about which school I go to. I leave out or change details that are too personal or would make it too easy to find out personal information about me, but I tell the truth about general things that can't really be traced. If it can harm my personal safety in some way, you're not going to get the truth about it. Other than that, I'm usually pretty honest.
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    In the SC environment there is no way to be sure how truthful either dancers or customers are. This is not something that should effect a dancer's ability to earn or a customer's ability to enjoy himself.
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    "Rule #6 - Take EVERYTHING you hear with a grain of salt."

    I REALLY want to believe what I hear in the club. Rule #6 protects me against this. I guess it might be helpful to think of it this way. The dancer is an actress and she is playing a character. The character is genuinely interested in you; the actress is not. Then then trick becomes not telling determining the truth, as almost everything she says is true for the character...the character will resist lying as it might damage the potential relationship. The trick would be determining when the actress is breaking character. She will not do this unless she has to, because it hurts the fantasy and therefore, her ability to make money. So she will only break character to ask questions about payment or future income potential (like clarification of the "maybe later." statement)

    In your example, the character would very much be interested in you being careful at the ATM as she cares about you. The actress would be very much interested in you being careful at the ATM as you may not pay if you are robbed. When the statement lines up in the interests of both the character and the actress, you can be fairly certain it is true.

    Just one technique that might help you feel better about the lying...personally, I stick with Rule #6 and believe nothing. This is because, even if something weird happens, lightning strikes and the lottery comes in, and I do meet a dancer that is genuinely interested in me, I cannot act on that. I am married and I will not jeopardize that. So, you see, even in the rare rare condition in which she is being truthful with me, she still HAS to be lying. That is the only way the whole deal works for me.

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    Why do you care about her motivations? If you can trust her to show you a good time in the club and provide quality lapdances, then you can consider her 'trustworthy'.

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    I don't think that being "truthful" demands that a dancer submit to full disclosure. They've got perfectly legitimate reasons not to reveal everything.

    Besides, they get just as good as they give. Just how "truthful" in general are we customers with them after all? I'd rather not tell my entire life story at the club either.

    But as far as genuinely being concerned about your safety or well being? Of course dancers are concerned, in much the same way your barber, grocer, or insurance agent is concerned. These are people who depend on you to make their bread, and they're potentially out a lot of money should you end up sick, injured or worse.
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    She said you could ask her anything you wanted but it doesn't necessarily mean she has to answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jpac73
    I know that dancers are there to make money but just what can you or can you not believe that comes out of their mouth?
    nobody cares. if some stripper told me that she's a former nobel prize winner. okay..fine, but even if it's the "truth". i couldn't give a crap. i don't go to sc to meet nobel prize winning strippers. OTOH, if she told me that she lost her gag reflex after a scientific mishap. now, that's very interesting.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jpac73
    The other week one of my favorites told me that I could ask her anything I wanted. Does she really mean this?
    no, it a false impression. if anything, what she means is...
    Quote Originally Posted by Docido
    Given that fact, the "ask me anything" tactic is a good psychological move on her part. It helps create an emotional bond to guarantee your future business.
    exactly. odds are she's trying to create a false sense of intimacy that's not really genuine. IOW, the impression that you're somehow "special" or "different" than the other customers. many a foolish PLs have been taken down that garden path.....
    Quote Originally Posted by Docido
    I think that getting too concerned about whether she is telling the truth every time she opens her mouth will only make you a crazy, bitter little custy.
    i agree. it cracks me everytime some PL cries, "the biatch lied to me!", after some inane sc drama. it's almost as if the ho is his housewife or something.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jpac73
    I guess there is a line to what is true and what isn't. Maybe she thinks I am a good person or maybe she is just good at what she does. What about you guys do you believe most of what your favorite dancer tells you? Is she trustworthy? does she think of you as a trustworthy guy?
    they're sex workers and you're a customer. that's the line, Jpac. believe it or not, what they're doing in this instance is no different, than what any other sex worker does in a whorehouse. furthermore, they're not your SO, friends or relatives. so, don't invest the time and energy worrying whether or not some stripper is telling you the "truth". instead, let the ho be a ho and concentrate on her production. after all, that's why you hired her in the first place, right?
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    You know, it's so very irritating to me, this need for "truth" from someone in the entertainment/personal services industry. No one wonders how truthful his bartender is. Or his barber or his waitress or his barista or massage therapist or whatever other service professional he encounters on a regular basis.

    You know who needs to tell you the truth? Your doctor, your mechanic, your accountant, and your attorney.

    And telling you to be careful at the ATM at a bank near a strip club at night is common courtesy, for fuck's sake. How could that possibly be interpreted as a lie or manipulative? And asking the questions? She was trying to make conversation.

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    Dancers treat you in response to how you treat them.

    If you recongise that they're entertainers doing what they do to earn a living, and you treat them with the same politeness and courtesy that you would a woman outside the SC, there's no reason why they won't recriprocate.

    Hell, if they think you'll buy a dance purely because it's a bit of fun, and you think they've got a nice figure, they'll even turn down the stripper shit to minimum setting. (Everyone has to earn a living after all).

    More seriously, dancers have no reason to lie, unless you give them reason to. Ask her about her motivations for doing the job, whether she has a boyfriend, etc., and expect to be told less than the truth.

    Talk to her politely, and on mutually acceptable topics, and she's got no reason to be anything other than honest.

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    Okay the first thought that popped into my head when I read the topic was 'they tell as much truth as you believe'.

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    Good points by all here, I'd put the ratio at probably 75-25 on the side of truth, not sure that I'd really want it any other way either though, I mean would you really want a dancer to comment on how small your penis is? or about hard it is to dance for you because you have such a big gut? or to have them bring up the receding hair line? and do you really want to hear about the abusive out of work musician SO? Come on folks, the lies can be a part of the charm of a SC.

    Here's an amusing story, the last time I went to a club a dancer stop by my table and asked if I wanted a dance, I gave her my usual "No, thank you" response as I wasn't interested, she then gave me a pout and responded "but it's my birthday" (which still didn't work BTW), that's not the part that amused me though, the part that amused me was she said the same thing to me about a month ago. LOL, I guess birthday's come once a month to some dancers. I certainly don't hold it against her for trying, she is trying to make a living after all, more power to her for trying IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head
    Here's an amusing story, the last time I went to a club a dancer stop by my table and asked if I wanted a dance, I gave her my usual "No, thank you" response as I wasn't interested, she then gave me a pout and responded "but it's my birthday" (which still didn't work BTW), that's not the part that amused me though, the part that amused me was she said the same thing to me about a month ago.
    Don't you just want to call them on this crap, sometimes.

    Next time you're in Vegas, be sure to mention that you're from out of state. For extra fun, tell them that its your first trip to Vegas, and that you're from some podunk state in the South or Midwest, and that you're by yourself (which in my case would be true).

    Some of those girls will instantly peg you as some flyover state sucker and come up with some of the wackiest SS you can imagine. Oh, the whoppers that you will hear.
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    Seems like we've got the whole range of opinions on this.

    I like fantasy, but I also like getting to know the ladies too. Out of maybe 50 girls that I was a regular with, I had OTC friendships with 4.

    Two of them had lives that were, shall we say, a little messed-up and dramatic. That gets tiresome after a while, so I kinda' dropped them off.

    The other two I'm still friends with. I know who they are, where they live, have been to their places and other stuff like that. I even know the parents of one of the original two!

    My point is that Phil-W's post about how you the custy behave with people is key.

    If you're an asshole, you're not going to get very far. If you carry on like a stalker, same thing (in fact you may get into actual trouble)!

    As someone posted, maybe you don't care about the real info. I feel that way about a few of the girls I know. In this case, I don't go after any information. Sometimes it comes to me unsolicited anyway...

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    See... being a dancer and knowing god knows how many of them... it depends on the girl. But what it all comes down to is there is as much truth as you believe.

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    Truth or lie doesn't really matter. I leave the world behind when I walk through the door, and I leave the club behind when I walk out.
    Agreed. I don't see why so many men can't have realistic expectations within the unrealistic environment of the SC. If it doesn't happen OTC, I presume it's all professional.
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    I play with the lies. Like the first semester senior who went three more semesters without graduating. She knows you know she's lying, but you ask questions as if it were the truth, because you want to hear more complicated lies she won't remember next week.

    The sad part is that you wouldn't care if she were studying for her GED, because she's fun to chill with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish
    Next time you're in Vegas, be sure to mention that you're from out of state. For extra fun, tell them that its your first trip to Vegas, and that you're from some podunk state in the South or Midwest, and that you're by yourself (which in my case would be true). Some of those girls will instantly peg you as some flyover state sucker and come up with some of the wackiest SS you can imagine. Oh, the whoppers that you will hear.
    LOL...it's like painting a sign on your forehead that says "fu#k me over". i've done the socially inept (duh..i'm sorry, but i've never been to sc. so, what's a lap dance?) PL act before and the SS does get very deep.
    Quote Originally Posted by NoCoverLover
    As someone posted, maybe you don't care about the real info. I feel that way about a few of the girls I know. In this case, I don't go after any information. Sometimes it comes to me unsolicited anyway...
    true, customers do have to bear with unrequested information. however, a lot of guys like that sort of kind of thing. i don't...frankly, whether i'm meeting a stripper ITC or OTC, as long as she is producing. it's not at all important for me to know superfluous information, like her real name, etc. yet, it still comes my way.
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    IMHO, words mean nothing and actions mean everything.
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    I think its a given that there will be mutual SS and CS between the custie and the dancer when they first meet and perhaps for several visits thereafter as the dust settles. But Im wondering how you guys feel about truthfulness once you have established a regular "relationship" with a dancer. Does the newly met dancer get a hall pass while the established favorite is expected to toe the line in terms of of honesty? Or are we all so jaded that we expect deception to be the norm no matter how long we have known them


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    Sassy Mom's hubby here --- all i can say is STOP being a pathetic fuckin' loser. NO woman and I mean no woman is worth humiliating yourself over. Wanting to know whether or not they are lying to you. Ha ha. Maybe I am just a stuck up man, but I'd rather never get laid again rather than be made an ass of by a woman. That being said at least I don't have the urge to kill a woman for fuckin' with me like I do men. I hate men with good reason, y'all can be quite pathetic and arrogant. Remember guys, they aint there to fuck you, they are there to take your money, and when my wife starts dancing, feel free to come to her club because my family can always find ways to spend your money. Fuckin' losers! Take all their money girls, that is why they were put on this earth.
    Do women lie, ha ha. Everyone lies and I prefer it that way, much more interesting to listen to a good lie than a boring truth in between watchin' my wife get way hotter dances than they would ever give you.

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