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    "Customers spit on women, spray beer, and flick cigarettes at them. Strippers are pelted with ice, coins, trash, condoms, room keys, pornography, and golf balls. Men pitched a live guinea pig and a dead squirrel at two women in the survey."

    Uh, I would definitely find a new club.

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    so this is anti-prostitution propoganda??

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    Quote Originally Posted by xoxoGracexoxo
    "Customers spit on women, spray beer, and flick cigarettes at them. Strippers are pelted with ice, coins, trash, condoms, room keys, pornography, and golf balls. Men pitched a live guinea pig and a dead squirrel at two women in the survey."
    BWAHAHAHAHA!!! I'd be damned! What?!? Let some guy throw something at me

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    Quote Originally Posted by xoxoGracexoxo
    "Men pitched a live guinea pig and a dead squirrel at two women in the survey."
    Jeez.. they act like this is a bad thing.

    I would like to see the customer who did this (assuming its actually true) as he prepares to go to the club.

    "Roll of ones - Check"
    "A few 20 dollar bills - check"
    "cologne - check"
    "silk button down shirt - check"
    "personal bling - check"
    "dead squirrel - check"

    "Alright.. bring on the strippers!"

    Personally, I include dead chipmunks and occasionally a dead emu in my list of things to bring to a strip club.

    But thats just me


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    Poor guinea pig!!!
    "Before I conceived you, I wanted you. Before you were born, I loved you. Before you were here an hour, I would die for you. This is the miracle of life." -- Maureen Hawkins

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    The guinea pig thing is hilarious. WTF is that about? What's the reasoning behind that? Was it considered a tip? "You're hot! Here! Enjoy this small animal companion!"

    Seriously. What clubs were these people in?
    waffles are just pancakes with little squares on them.

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    Hey - people have been known to bring octopi to hockey games - imagine having that flinged at ya!

    Ya all need some counter balancing stuff. All the sociologists (seems like dancers are nurses, cosmo, or social/psych types) need to get together and start writing some in-kind material.

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    I did have a beer bottle thrown at me once. But he missed.
    YES, bad sh*t happens in bars. I've seen my share. If you're a person who can't abide by the possibility of that, find a place to work at with the best security around.

    PLs + booze & t*tties= Trouble.

    Otherwise, stripping is no less degrading than working for minimum wage & feeling exploited.

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    PLs + booze + titties are in a lot of places....

    beaches
    casinos
    night clubs
    cruise ships
    Miami

    I guess we are just doomed.

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    I want to know where this study was conducted. What kind of clubs are these where girls get animals thrown at them? That's crazy!

    I have my ups and downs. We all do. Some nights I get the sleazeballs and then other nights, I get the most respectful guys who just want to hand out their money. But in the big picture, I am more happier with dancing and making the money that I do rather than slaving away 40 hours a week behind a desk where I am underpaid. At least this way, I work less and play more. And am in the position to actually have money saved.

    The best part is looking someone square in the eye and telling them that I strip for a living. I love watching them squirm.
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    This sounds to me like the dancers she interviewed were deliberately trying to shock her with crazy stories. I bet they all had a good laugh over it afterwards.

    "She actually believed that story about the dead squirrel!"
    "Ha ha! I told her it was a guinea pig!"

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    God I want to send her a fake story, too XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by xoxoGracexoxo
    Men pitched a live guinea pig and a dead squirrel at two women in the survey.".
    haha sorry

    wtf.


    where in the hell would this happen at? someone stripping at a pet store ? Id find it rather hard to believe that someone could get in a live guinea pig or a fucking dead squirrel in a club

    still id laugh my ass off.

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    >.< I KNEW I shouldn't have opened that! I couldn't even read the whole thing, it was so... OUT there! I like how she tried to make it all "scientific" with references and stuff.

    SOMEONE has an agenda... I'll bet she's some sad, obese person who hasn't had decent sex in let's say... ten years?

    Ugh, there have been so many posts about writings like this! Is there something I don't know?
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    holy fuck i just read that thing... instead of just this thread..

    so let me get this straight ..

    on stage i have to be thinking about getting high

    during a lapdance i have to make him cum

    I get dressed in a beer cooler

    I also most fuck my manager and masturbate the rest...

    I also have to have a pimp and nap in a sleeping bag

    damn...

    to think Ive been doing it wrong the entire 10 years.

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    Okay, but the weird thing is that, if you read the introduction, it says that the author/researcher herself was "involved in stripping" for thirteen years. I assume that means she worked as a dancer. (Did I misunderstand that?) It's unusual to find a smart ex-dancer who's so negative about the industry. We're usually too defensive to admit to some of the uglier stuff, much less dwell on it. I wonder what happened with her. If she thinks it's so evil, how come she did it for thirteen years???? Does that make any sense??
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    You know it's funny, I would never even think or feel that I was being degraded if others didn't tell me that that's how I should feel....everyone has had horrible experience here or there even if you are just working at IHOP....Our compensation and freedom are a little better !

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    OK, but this following part of the article was generally true. And I know a lot of you realize this because there have been many discussions on SW bemoaning our circumstances in this regard. The rest of the article was a bunch of hooey IMO, but this issue deserves serious consideration on our part and is the real exploitation going on here.

    "Working Conditions

    Women in stripping are denied legal protection relating to the terms and conditions under which they earn their livings (Fischer 523). Most strippers are hired to work as independent contractors rather than employees. Most strippers are not paid a wage (Mattson 1995), therefor their income is totally dependent on their compliance with customer demands in order to earn tips. More often than not, the strippers have to pay for the privilege of working at a club (Cooke 1987; Forsyth and Deshotels 1997; Prewitt 1989). The majority of clubs demand that women turn over 40 to 50 percent of their income for stage or couch rental and enforce a mandatory tip out to bouncers and disc jockeys (Enck and Preston 1988; Forsyth and Deshotels 1997). Usually a minimum shift quota is set and the women must turn over at least that quota amount. If a woman does not earn the quota and wants to continue working at the establishment, she owes the club and must pay off that shift’s quota by adding it to the quota for the next shift she will work. The stripclubs may also derive income from promotional novelty items, kickbacks, door cover charges, beverage sales, prostitution, and capricious fines imposed on the women. As independent contractors, strippers are not entitled to file discrimination claims, receive workers’ compensation, or unemployment benefits (Fischer 1996; Mattson 1995). Club owners are free from tax obligations and tort liability. Owners pay no Social Security, no health insurance, and no sick pay. Some club owners require strippers to sign agreements indicating that they are working as independent contractors and many clubs require women to sign a waiver of their right to sue the club for any reason.

    Although strippers are classified as independent contractors, the reality of their relationship to their supervisors is an employee-employer relationship. Regardless of the agreements claiming independent contractor status, clubs maintain enormous control over the women. The club controls the schedule and hours, requires strippers to pay rental fees, tip support staff large amounts, and even sets the price of table dances and private dances. Clubs have specific rules about costuming and even dictate the sequence of stripping and nudity. For example, by the middle of the first song the woman must remove her top, she must be entirely nude by the end of the second song, and must perform a nude floorshow. All this regardless of whether customers are tipping her or not. A club may further influence dancers’ appearances by pressuring them to shave off all their pubic hair, maintain a year-long tan, or undergo surgery for breast augmentation. At nude clubs, it is common for the performers to be shaved clean, giving them an adolescent and even childlike appearance.

    Clubs also exert significant control over the strippers’ behavior during their shifts by regulating when women may use the bathroom and how many of them can be in the dressing room at one time. Some clubs do not provide seating in the dressing room and forbid smoking in that room, thus preventing strippers from taking a break. When a woman wants to sit down or smoke a cigarette, she must do so on the main floor with a customer. Clubs enforce these rules through fines (Cooke 1987; Enck and Preston 1988; Ronai 1992). Women are fined heavily by club management: $1 per minute for being late, as much as $100 for calling in sick, and other arbitrary amounts for "talking back" to customers or staff, using the telephone without permission, and touching stage mirrors. Women are fined for flashing, prostitution (Enck and Preston 198, taking off their shoes, fighting with a customer, being late on stage, leaving the main floor before the DJ calls her off, not cashing in one dollar bills, profanity in music, being sick, not cleaning the dressing room, using baby oil on stage, dancing with her back to a customer (Enck and Preston 198 and being touched by a customer."

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    Then move onto another club. We can't reallt start a union but none of the stuff you are describing happen where I work....I think it just depends where you're at.

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    Furthermore, exploitation of the labor force has occurred in all kinds or industries. (think Wal-mart anyone?) This is why unions were formed. It has nothing to do with the morality of our job and who we are as people, and we should not be so defensive. Personally I love being a stripper. I chose this job by my own free will and, yes, it aggravates me to no end when I am stereotyped as a poor victim of male domination. So the majority of this article I have disregarded. But the section on working conditions struck a chord with me. It is something I agree with as far as what's wrong with our industry, and it's something I feel needs to change.

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    <Quote> Lap dancing requires the woman to straddle the man’s lap and grind against him until he ejaculates in his pants. A variation involves the woman dancing between his legs while he slides down in his chair so that the dancer’s thighs are rubbing his crotch as she moves <unQuote>


    WTF?!?!?!? as i was reading this article, i though "wow, what a moron" but when i read ^THAT^ i decided this person is just down right dumb. i'm guessing too dumb for even the short bus. what kind of club "REQUIRES" as she so blatantly put it, lap dances to end in splooging? non that i am aware of. obviously i didn't get that memo.

    i didn't read the other comments so if i'm asking a question someone else posted, i'm sorry, but did any one notice that most of these references are from the lat 80's? this is back before the day of LAP dances. they were on the table dances, or totally air dances with no contact unless you were a hooker, and most women didn't care to shave back then. granted there was always certain women who chose to be hairless, but this person is generalizing way too much.

    either this person is a major pessimist and is only recording the worst things about clubs, or she went to tyrannical clubs for information where women actually got dressed in broom closets. she's making it sound like a slave industry where we are lured in with money promises and then trapped and forced to become alcoholics and blow people. there are hookers every where but (sorry for this opinion) but thank god pimps keep track of them. i know pimps are not the best people in the world. i personally think they should be hung up by their balls, but she's making it sound like we are just running wild having sex with every one. so maybe there is a pimp manager running things, his day will come to an end. we are ont forced to do anything. we either LET people touch us and DECIDE to suck/fuck/finger etc but we decide. not the men around us, on the floor or in management. i for one have minimal contact with my management. they don't control my hours, and i certainly don't see anyone masturbating on the floor. i'll shut up now, though i have more to bitch about. this person is far from accurate on this paper. i jest. oooohhhh boy do i jest!

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    I'm sick and tired of people who are not in the industry that try to write about the industry.

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    This person took all the negative aspects of being a dancer and magnified them.
    She then interviewed 47 dancers who either work in the worst clubs in America or who just wanted to fuck with her and decided to write a paper.

    She didn't have anything to say that I haven't heard before, except maybe the animal throwing. That was just to much!!

    Any of you remember doing stand up dances?

    I do and I gotta say I don't remember anyone carrying around bottles of disinfectant so the customers could finger us! I didn't go back to quote but according to her paper it is/was a requirement for stand up dances. HAHAHAHA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tart
    haha sorry

    wtf.


    someone stripping at a pet store ?

    still id laugh my ass off.
    I <3 you Tart! lol, hilarious!

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