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    Default Re: ahh yes... another paper on the degrading job of stripping

    "One hundred percent of the eighteen women in the survey..."

    Ok so let me get this straight. This vapid bitch based a survey meant to represet and entire industry based on 18 people?

    *smacks forehead and shakes her head*



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    ^^^ So when she says something happened to "6%" or "11%" of the sample, she's saying it happened to one or two women.

    Some of the conclusions she draws she never even bothers to support. She says strip clubs are clearly a male-dominated industry because the men have clothes on and the women don't. Um, why? I personally don't feel any more dominatable naked than clothed. I've never felt like the stripper-customer interaction was male dominanat/female submissive relationship...the reverse, really. Now I HAVE worked at clubs where the managers were all men and treated the dancers like dumb sluts, and that sucked. The section of the paper on management practices is the only part I can relate to.

    Even with labor unions, though, we all have individual control over our actions. If you don't want to carry around a bottle of disinfectant so you can scrub down customers' digits before the fingerbang you at the wall, and you are at a club where that's the norm, still no one can MAKE you do it. There's got to be a convenience store somewhere that you can work at. If that doesn't pay well enough and you'd rather work at Fingerbanger's, that's your choice and you made it, so live with it. Sounds to me like the women in this study don't want to take responsibility for their choices. They'd much rather complain about what the bad, evil men "made" them do.

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    "Sounds to me like the women in this study don't want to take responsibility for their choices. They'd much rather complain about what the bad, evil men "made" them do."

    Yeah I'd have to agree with that 100%. Nobody can make you be a stripper, and I have never heard of such problems at any clubs in my area, and I have worked at quite a few. I am not fined heavily for calling off, or any other bullshit reasons. I have minimal contact with the managers as well and I am scheduled two days a week. Hardly slave labor.
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    as far as the 18 women used to draw conclusions for millions of strippers thing, i can only say: welcome to sociology. it is completely normal to extrapolate wildly in sociology based on sample sizes that are not even statistically significant. but tiny cohorts are completely usual in sociology and to a lesser extent in psychology. it can be infuriating and further makes it difficult for people to take either science seriously.

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    xoxoGracexoxo........."Fingerbanger's".....

    ROTFLMAO!!

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    okay that study was just about stupid. I never was forced into a sex act in a vip not ever. I did not get my job by responding to an ad offering big money or becuse i knew a stripper. I loved every sec i spent on stage. Dose the writer even mention how bad it can get for you if you are thought to be an extras girl. The dressing rooms i have been have all been adiaquite and you are not suppoesed to linger in the dressing room you are there to make money. I always thought my treatment by the mangement was as if i was an employ which was fine with me. the by far was the dumbest thing i ever read the writer spent to much time of there life writeing that. arrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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    "The research was inspired by the author’s experiences in stripping over the course of thirteen years. "'

    "Data for this research were obtained through interviews, a survey, and the researcher’s participant observation while involved in stripping"


    Everyone's assuming that she didn't work in the industry herself. But don't the above statements indicate that she worked as a dancer for 13 years?
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    98% of that thing was rubbish! after nearly six years in the industry i do know that patrons and owners and staff can sometimes exploit inexperienced dancers and take advantage of them but this article made it sound like we were pathetic little crack whores who have no choice but to put up with abuse.

    i just got angrier and angrier reading it. i gave up after page 2.
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    if i was a dude and had never been to a club before i'd read that and be like "FUCK YEAH!!!!"

    because for real? that stuff just doesn't fucking happen.

    gunea pigs, beer coolers... i doubt those clubs would be in business if it really were that bad.

    as far as prostitution goes, erm....
    not EVERYONE sucks dick. maybe 1 or 2 out of 40 girls. for. REAL.
    theres a difference between strip clubs and brothels, for sure

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    In strip joints and rural bars, women lay on blankets or inside sleeping bags between sets and nap and read.

    Okay, not that I do this, but what the hell. What's so weird about (assuming you have a nice roomy dressing room), laying on a soft sleeping bag and reading a book between sets if you need a break?

    Also, didn't she say in the beginning that dancers dont get breaks? How many times does this person contradict themself.

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    I think this lady has some serious self confidence isues!!! I mean give me a break if you danced for 13 years and the business was that bad then why were you dancing for so long?!?!?!?! If your gonna make us sound like stupid crack heads then why try to make the paper sound so scientific?!?!?! I just started dancing 3 weeks ago and I DID NOT have to sleep with or do ANY kind of sexual act with ANY of the staff!! And I feel that its not the men overpowering women its us women who are strong enough to stand in this business and do well are the ones who are enpowering and know how STUPID and blind men can be when they see alittle T&A.....

    We get critized because theres not many that can handle this business and it intimidates people. There are people who are jealous and not at all self confident. It's just like seeing a pretty girl walk down the street and you say "oh please, look at how flat her ass is!"... Its just plain jealousy and the only way they can make themselves feel better is to critisize and make up lies....

    Oh god I cant stand non-strippers sometimes.... Its so much easier to associate with people who REALLY understand the position you are in
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    There was an email address on that paper...

    Someone should email her the comments made in this thread... There are waaaaaaaayyyyy more then 18 dancers here...

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    Wow...
    "Lap dancing requires the woman to straddle the man’s lap and grind against him until he ejaculates in his pants. A variation involves the woman dancing between his legs while he slides down in his chair so that the dancer’s thighs are rubbing his crotch as she moves. Bed dancing is offered in a private room and requires a woman to lay on top of a fully clothed man and simulate sexual intercourse until he ejaculates.

    During private dances women are conscientious about their boundaries and safety. "I spent the dance hyper vigilant to avoiding their hands, mouths, and crotches."

    Ok...so how are you suppsed to grind until he ejaculates (which is REQUIRED of course) if you are " hyper vigilant to avoiding their hands, mouths, and crotches"????
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    I'm a guy, and [obviously] not a stripper...so I hope it's ok that I'm responding. That being said, I am a lawyer, and have a pretty good critical eye for interpreting documents...so here goes:

    She says "The research was inspired by the author’s experiences in stripping over the course of thirteen years. "'

    However, Her wording in that sentence is very vague; and in my experience this type of vague wording is usually intentional (as opposed to poor grammer). She never says that she was a stripper; rather she refers to her "experiences in stripping." So what exactly is an experience in stripping? A visit to a club? Getting pissed at her husband for going to a club? Getting rejected because she didn't have the looks to work at a club? Obviously, all could constitute "experiences in stripping."

    Also, think about how much easier, and clearer it would have been for her to simply write "I worked as a stripper for 13 years" (as well as lending more credence and first hand authority to her thesis). Mostly likely, she has an alternative agenda (which is probably obvious given her anti-prostitution affiliations). Maybe I'm over thinking it, but at best...she's a shitty writer.

    Again, hope this post is ok in this thread.

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    It's all made up, she saw stripping from a fast going train, ... for 13 yrs.

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    Am emailing this thread to random guinea-pig woman.

    Mind you if i went to the clubs she descibes, i'd probably feel like chucking a ferret or two at the girls who worked there myself....

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    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahaha!!!!!!!

    how do yu get a live animal (s) into the club?????

    too funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by xtina20
    Am emailing this thread to random guinea-pig woman.

    Mind you if i went to the clubs she descibes, i'd probably feel like chucking a ferret or two at the girls who worked there myself....

    LOL!!

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    She got all this information from just 18 girls? Looks like she didnt do her research. Where is her email address, I got a few words to say to her.

    haha I got it! I'll be civil though.


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    dammit address no longer exists.


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    Default Re: ahh yes... another paper on the degrading job of stripping

    Wow...is that really what goes on there? I really wish someone told me all of that before I signed up. Shit. Now what should I do ? Sell my car that I paid for in cash, liquidate my savings, empty the money market accounts,*gasp* sell off my gorgeous home in Scottsdale? I had no idea I was being exploited that way.....Now I guess I will go back to school and fold turtlenecks at the Gap.

    Nice controls on the "study" BTW

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    If you're going to email anybody, email the owners of the site. They're career sex-industry-haters, I've had all kinds of weird dealings with them as an activist. They do lots of great work but they also do inane stuff like this, and they're out to shut the sex industry down, which is their stated goal. AND you can't argue with them because if by any chance you have a point, they can't acknowledge it without losing their funding, so they'll say you're the sex-industry equivalent of an Uncle Tom. The arguments get very circular--and the research methodologies get weaker by the day, since they already conform to the government's agenda of persecuting the sex industry and they don't have to have the same strength of proof to get government funding that they would if they were, say, suggesting that the sex industry might be a valuable workplace.
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    Lap dancing requires the woman to straddle the man’s lap and grind against him until he ejaculates in his pants

    damn. i've been doing it wrong for all these years.

    Strippers are expected to change clothing in beer coolers, broom closets, and public restrooms.

    broom closets? wtf?

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    Tried her email as well, hopefully she's been purged from the land of academia: hey maybe the right wing Christian groups could pick her up???

    How about "down with strip-clubs-SAVE THE FERRETS" as a new protest movement???

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


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    guess what girls? i've just had one of my more brilliant ideas!!!

    determined to undermine this drivel, i am emailing the university of rhode island

    www.uri.edu

    As a academic institution I feel that their credibitlity is severly undermined by attaching their name to this drivel and plan on letting them know. I've included their site address if any of you feel like having a look and will let you know of the response,
    from my broom closet naturally....

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