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    Oh gimme a f****in' break..







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    ^^^^ SAME HERE- This is B.S.

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    I think there's a legitimate point to be made here. Gangsta rap shows (which, it should be noted, is NOT the entire rap genre) do in fact draw a larger criminal element. Violence is much more likely in the parking lot of a 50 Cent concert than, say, Celine Dion or even Nine Inch Nails. With the increased likelihood of violence and shootings, it stands to reason that a venue would shy away from such acts.

    I like the music too, but when no venues will invite gangsta rappers for live shows, it'll be because of a small percentage of the fans that can't handle it. That's not fair, but neither is life. I know if I owned a concert hall and I could choose between booking Snoop Dogg or Madonna, I would book the latter for a long list of reasons including safety.

    It's Vegas and they are, understandably, playing odds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah
    Violence is much more likely in the parking lot of a 50 Cent concert than, say, Celine Dion or even Nine Inch Nails. With the increased likelihood of violence and shootings, it stands to reason that a venue would shy away from such acts.
    I agree!

    I was in a 4 year relationship with a hip-hop music exec and it's a fact, there is a lot of violence in that industry. So much so, he eventually left that world because of all the BS. Every week he would come home with a story. I mean, artists and execs acting like Sopranos characters.

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    Something tells me they're going to have a hard time separating, as one official put it, the entertainers posing as criminals from the criminals posing as entertainers, from the entertainers who once were criminals but now have reformed to only pose as criminals, from the entertainers who aren't hardened criminals but got into trouble with the law just that one time and might slip and do it again but are generally really trying to stay on the straight and narrow.

    In other words, it sounds as if, although this may be a legitimate concern, the reaction to it has the potential for being broadened into a wide net that catches those who aren't causing the problem.

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    I always look forward to the stabbing and shooting reports for the Vibe awards in between songs.

    Imagine if a "PL" posted this:

    But all women have a little bitch in em (yeah)
    Its like a disease thats plagues their character
    Takin the women of america (yeah)
    And it starts with a letter b
    It makes a girl like that think she better than me (bitch)
    See, some get mad and some just bury
    But, yo, if the shoe fits wear it (wear it)
    It makes em go deaf in the ear
    Thats why when you say hi she wont say hi
    Are you the kind that think youre too damn fly?
    Bitch eat shit n die (ha, ha)
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    (why? ) I think a bitch is a bitch

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    Bitch!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cinammonkisses
    Oh gimme a f****in' break..
    you can't argue with truth.

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    I can't lie. I hate rap music. I hate what it has become. It is violent and misogynistic. A lot like SCs nowadays, the true hip hop artists that are talking about social issues and real life are being forced out, because this violent/misogynistic mindset sells. BUT I can say the same about hard rock. I think that the reason that people don't focus on hard rock as much is because it has not fused with pop culture the way gangsta rap has. I just stop listening to it altogether eventually, although I still follow the "true" hip hop artists (example: Common aka Common Sense, who is my imaginary husband...yum)
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    Just more censoring. Why can't ppl. take responsibility for their own actions? Seems someone is always looking to put the blame on someone else these days...
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    Do I really have to read this? Look....each generation thinks (correctly) that the next is a little more out of hand. Each generation thinks it boils down to one thing. It doesn't. It is our nature to do more.....to push more limits....unfortunately they're getting out of hand. Are video games and music to blame? No. In my unsolicited and arrogant opinion, it is our acceptance of the behaviors that allow those video games and music....and more importantly the parents that allow the children to use that shit as excuses. HEY...I listened to the Dead Kennedy's when I was a kid. I've NEVER stolen anyone's mail, nor have I blown up any nations with nuclear bombs. Ever. Seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MojoJojo
    nor have I blown up any nations with nuclear bombs. Ever. Seriously.
    Umm? Hmmmm. That whole nuclear thing... Was that a bad thing I did?

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    I say bullshit but not because the music DOESNT inspire violence in some... it's just that this happens with a genre for each era. Rock And Roll was the devil's music in the '60s. And then they said the same thing about hippies and their music. And then the 70's... in the 80's, Heavy Metal was evil and inspired violence and hate and devil worship. Now its rap. And dont get me started on the tv violence and video games. Please. I listen to most types of music, but do I let it inspire me to beat someone down for their watch or smack a woman or pimp them out or blahblahblah? Nope. I listen to music for the sound. For the way the sound and rhythm makes me feel and how it makes me boogie. Letting a song or a show or a video game inspire you to do something you KNOW is wrong is simply stupid. It's often due to some sort of mental instability or poor upbringing. Not always Oh Its The Music... blahblahblah...
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    ^It IS the music's fault for some idiots though.

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    I refuse to play 50cent, mostly because I can't stand him, except maybe that overplayed "Magic Stick" (I do like a lot of Lil' Kim), but it's been played to death, so rarely even that.

    Nor will I play anything that I feel is too heavy on the "suck my dick, bitch" theme--it's not gonna help the guys trying to effectively say exactly that in the club already, in many and varied ways.

    I have played some music with lyrics close enough to it to make me a bit of a hypcrite, I suppose--but I have to draw the line somewhere, so I do...

    Of course, I play Kid Rock all the time, even if he is a misogynistic, arrogant prick--so call me a hypocrite, even if I'm playing it for the music, and would infinitely prefer it if he would just shut the fuck up about how cool he is, lol. I don't believe him for a second.

    OTOH, these guys in the article are going overboard, this kind of shit never works.

    And arguments have been made about music promoting violence as far back as the Charles Manson muder spree inspired by The Beatles, for chrissakes. He was inspired by the song "Helter Skelter" but that's not The Beatles' fault.

    And Nelly? Give me a break!

    These guys might have some sort of vague idea of what the right thing to do might be, but they don't have the discrimination (as in judgement, not racism) to know when they are being wise, or when they are being reactionary cracker cops.

    I did think it was pretty understandable--even if I don't admire Mob style violence--when I heard about the way certain elements in Vegas supposedly dealt with attempts by Crips and Bloods to make inroads into the city. According to the story I heard, those attempts ended somewhere out in the desert in the middle of the night, and are still buried there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exotisch23
    ^It IS the music's fault for some idiots though.
    And if it wasnt a song it would be a video game or something on TV or a book or a comic book... it's what is inside the bent brain of the person. They can take anything out of context. They can take gospel music and go on a bender in the name of Jeebus Cripes, they can hear a country song about a cheatin wife and stab their girlfriend. Any music can inspire the wrong things in a bent brain.
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    Yes, I think there has to be a predisposition for violence.

    That disposition can be egged on, but it has to be there in the first place.

    For instance, my own experience with the Cypress Hill song "Whatta You Know"--always loved it, never wanted to kill or hurt or fight anyone any more after listening to it.

    But listening to it after my friend was murdered significantly heightened my desire to kill or seriously maim one of the gang members who was indirectly involved, that I had already come very close to fighting two weeks before it happened.
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    I think it *can* mean violence, but only for the people predisposed to violence in the first place. Anymore than Marylin Manson = school shootings, rap = violence. People who are ready for violence already will find affirmation in the music.

    These rappers aren't making this shit up. It's real stuff that happens in the real world. If someone takes it and swallows it, then spits it out in bullets that's their own fault. The rappers are only saying what they see. In 1933 no-one needed Dr. dre to influence them to do a drive by shooting. Al Capone's guys were rather accomplished at it. Times change, people do not.

    I'm not terribly into rap, i have yet to hear a single beat from Dr. Dre's "The Chronic." and i'm told that's a cornerstone of rap, but i respect it as an art form. Watching the documentary "Tupac: Ressurection" i was surprised to find myself identifying with this guy as much as i was. i found myself really sad that the guy was dead, he had a lot of soul. i liked that. I need to get some of his music and listen to it one of these days.

    No. Rap doesn't mean violence. People mean violence. Look at the past five thousand years of recorded human history (note: operative word being "recorded" there is about a hundred thousand years of unrecorded human history that everyone seems to forget about) and ask yourself this, what was their excuse?

    What's ours?

    People make decisions for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap˛
    ...there is about a hundred thousand years of unrecorded human history that everyone seems to forget about
    Except maybe the guys digging up prehistoric cave habitats, that have found those fire scorched human bones that had been cracked open for the marrow inside.
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    Except maybe the guys digging up prehistoric cave habitats, that have found those fire scorched human bones that had been cracked open for the marrow inside.
    110% correct. Humans need no help to be violent. We never have.

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    Remember, Charles Manson killed the tates because he thought the beatles told him to. Listen to *ANY* beatles song and tell me if it is anything inciting anyone to kill a pregnant actress?

    It's *all the individuals fault.* John lennon did not tell Charles Manson to kill Sharon Tate, or her baby. Manson told people to do that.

    Just because the music is different doesn't mean the people are, people never really change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap˛
    I think it *can* mean violence, but only for the people predisposed to violence in the first place. Anymore than Marylin Manson = school shootings, rap = violence. People who are ready for violence already will find affirmation in the music.

    These rappers aren't making this shit up. It's real stuff that happens in the real world. If someone takes it and swallows it, then spits it out in bullets that's their own fault. The rappers are only saying what they see. In 1933 no-one needed Dr. dre to influence them to do a drive by shooting. Al Capone's guys were rather accomplished at it. Times change, people do not.

    I'm not terribly into rap, i have yet to hear a single beat from Dr. Dre's "The Chronic." and i'm told that's a cornerstone of rap, but i respect it as an art form. Watching the documentary "Tupac: Ressurection" i was surprised to find myself identifying with this guy as much as i was. i found myself really sad that the guy was dead, he had a lot of soul. i liked that. I need to get some of his music and listen to it one of these days.

    No. Rap doesn't mean violence. People mean violence. Look at the past five thousand years of recorded human history (note: operative word being "recorded" there is about a hundred thousand years of unrecorded human history that everyone seems to forget about) and ask yourself this, what was their excuse?

    What's ours?

    People make decisions for themselves.
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    when i was in high school there was a small movie theatre that stopped showing "urban" movies because of the fights that would occur. of course certain shows, concerts, and movies are more predisposed to violence.

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    Paige et al., y'all seem to think people are trying to censor rap music. That's not the case. This isn't about censorship, it's about concert venues which are no longer willing to accept the increased violence and vandalism that gangsta rap shows attract. People can still listen to the music. And I don't blame the venues for not bringing these guys in, because it is an increased liability.

    It's not about censorship, it's about business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah
    Paige et al., y'all seem to think people are trying to censor rap music. That's not the case. This isn't about censorship, it's about concert venues which are no longer willing to accept the increased violence and vandalism that gangsta rap shows attract. People can still listen to the music. And I don't blame the venues for not bringing these guys in, because it is an increased liability.

    It's not about censorship, it's about business.


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