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    I took a pic with my friend's phone. I'll have to put it up when she sends it to me.

    But my crummy armpit of a city is now advertising 3 things that piss me off.

    "Welfare is for YOU TOO" and how to sign up for it via the web if you make less than X

    "WIC helps you help your family" complete with a person driving a mercedes with her kid in the back seat.

    "It's ok to love *city name*" Well of course it is. When you have 10k to spend on a monthly billboard, every city is grand.

    Don't get me wrong, I believe in all these sevices and their importance. But I just don't feel my tax dollars should be poured into their marketing you know? I mean, pamphlets at your doctors office, or assistance brochures have done fine in the past. Why market them?
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    I can't quite forget how your city is divided by a "color" line....great town besides.
    Dumb billboards though.
    Can you send me a picture of the library? It's way nicer than ours. LOL

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    un-fucking-believable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mastridonicus
    "WIC helps you help your family" complete with a person driving a mercedes with her kid in the back seat.
    ^^This one was the best. Now any smart person viewing that board damn well knows people who are on WIC assistance dont drive mercedes. Oh yea theres only one kid in the back too. Is this play "whats wrong with this picture?"

    I swear people are getting smarter and smarter every day.

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    ^^^ heh heh
    I actually saw one that had a baby picture that said "They called her Fetus, we call her Agnes.." It lasted a while and then I think enough people complained to get it down.. It was also a block away from my school (All woman's college) and we were basically the only residents in a few miles radius.. hmm, now who do you think it was directed towards?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TigersMilk
    ^^This one was the best. Now any smart person viewing that board damn well knows people who are on WIC assistance dont drive mercedes. Oh yea theres only one kid in the back too. Is this play "whats wrong with this picture?"

    I swear people are getting smarter and smarter every day.
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    Excuse me? People who are WIC assistance do so drive Mercedes, Jaguars, and 5-series BMWs as well. For your information TM, you don't have to be "low-income" for you or your child to qualify for WIC.

    I know for a fact, that if your child is a "low birth-weight" baby, you can get benefits until the child is at least 5 years old. Your income doesn't really have that much to do with it! Further more, you don't have to have more than one child. I guess you just thought it was funny to incinuate that everyone on WIC has a litter.

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    ooh, or one that advertises a casino and then on the other side it's advertising help for a gambling addiction..
    The casino one is shown on the way to the casino and the back of it faces you as you leave..
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustJayda
    Excuse me? People who are WIC assistance do so drive Mercedes, Jaguars, and 5-series BMWs as well. For your information TM, you don't have to be "low-income" for you or your child to qualify for WIC.

    I know for a fact, that if your child is a "low birth-weight" baby, you can get benefits until the child is at least 5 years old. Your income doesn't really have that much to do with it! Further more, you don't have to have more than one child. I guess you just thought it was funny to incinuate that everyone on WIC has a litter.

    People may not be getting smarter and smarter everyday, when they "think", more than they "know".
    Actually it is pretty difficult to get assistance as a single mother.. Usually they want you to be out of a job. My pregnant friend applied for assistance, but as soon as she foudn a job they took it away. Now she is offered little help and maybe a few free groceries, IF no "needy" mother claims them.
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    Who said anything about being a single mother? Not me. I said low-birth weight child. That has nothing to do with your friend who applied while she was still pregnant.

    I simply saying, people shouldn't stereotype...nothing personal to you GC, or TM. I'm just stating facts.
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    Further more, maybe the billboard, is attempting to stimulate some interest in folks who have no idea they may be elgible for benefits..if they are interested.

    The same folks, who think you can't get WIC if you have money, and other misguided notions.

    Many people probably wouldn't think/know that they can get help.
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    None taken, but I think what I meant to say was that it is difficult to get financial help.. maybe after the child is born and is a low birth rate you can apply with better results, but I am thinking about people who really do need to help, but can't receive it because they have jobs. I can't imagine a person with either no job, receiving help and driving a mercedes or one with a mercedes actually receiving help..
    I'm not trying to stereotype at all.. I am just thinking of all the people I know that do receive help and they definitely aren't driving a great car.. I won't go into how many children they have, but I am sure if you have more than one, you'll probably receive more help.
    hope that made sense..
    and on to other billboards that seem a little out of place..
    The ones that tell you all about Jesus as the only son and has a picture of sinners burning in hell. All ona billboard outside a church, didn't make me want to attend that church!
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    Agreed When I was stationed at Davis Monthan in Tucson, I desperately need help financially. I was single at the time with one child. I tried to get a child-care subsidy, but since on paper, I made $40 phucking dollars too much a month, no dice! No sliding scale for me, no reduced amount in how much they could help me out a week, just...NO!!! Of course, the child care center on base had a waiting list out the wazoo. So, I started sneaking out of town to shake my thang, while I was still wearing BDUs!

    I will say this, I contacted McCain's office, and got a response ASAP. They felt my pain (or wanted the good press?), and next thing ya know I was scheduled for an in home interview with the local news about my dilema. Unfortunately, my then fiance' came to visit, and we got married a few days before the interview, so I never did it. However, I definately know how hard it is to get help when you need it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mastridonicus
    Don't get me wrong, I believe in all these sevices and their importance. But I just don't feel my tax dollars should be poured into their marketing you know? I mean, pamphlets at your doctors office, or assistance brochures have done fine in the past. Why market them?
    They haven't. Other than the government healthcare being shit, a great many of the people without any kind of health coverage and eligible and don't know it. If we want the programs do what they're supposed to do, they need to be marketed more aggressively.

    I just want to get rid of the programs.
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    I think we're missing the point here. If someone can afford to drive a Mercedes, Jaguar, BMW, etc, they should NOT be receiveing WIC or any other government assistance. If they can afford to drive cars like that, they can afford to feed themselves and their families! Save it for those who TRULY need it. Crap like that just burns me up. I have seen sooo many jerkoffs receiving waaay more than their share of handouts and don't lift a damn finger to work or who just plain don't need it, while others who really do need it and/or are honestly unable to find work get fuck all

    This is a large part of what's wrong with this country. Misguided sense of entitlement, gimme gimme gimme attitude, and just plain fucking societal leeches. GRRRR!!!!!

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    Warning- Rant:

    I have been denied social services before on technicalities. I am currently having to use county medical assistance and it's so degrading. I cannnot wait for the day when I never have anything to do with "The System." Nobody ever talks about having to take public assistance because they put you through flaming hoops & treat you as if your time means nothing.

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    My cousin's husband left her when she was 5 months preggers...she makes $24,000/year before taxes. She applied for (and was denied because he could contribute, but they overlooked that he REFUSED TO) aid. Her hubby "claims" that she cheated on him and shouldn't have to support the child...the baby is his spitting image. The child is now a year old and she's never seen a dime from him. She finally got WIC when the baby was born, but since she had to go back to work to support herself and the baby, she's now making "too much money" and has since had WIC and Medicaid taken away. That's wrong.

    I was visiting her a few weeks ago and went into a convenience store to get some stuff for her, and what do you know...a woman pulls up in a shiny new beemer, pulls out a wad of money to pay for bread and milk...thumbs through HUNDREDS of dollars to get to her food stamps. When the cashier told her that they don't accept food stamps, she yelled at them and stormed off.

    There's my government money working.

    Bridgette is right...people who drive Beemers/Mercedes/the like should not be getting aid. Why, shit, the payments on those cars are in the $700+ price per month. Sell the damn car and get something cheaper, and they wouldn't need government aid.

    This topic pisses me off.

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    It is one thing to be ill, unable to work and need help. It is quite another to be able to drive around in nice cars, live in a nice home and wear nice clothes, while or because of taking public handouts.

    Example: I once babysat for a couple with 2 young kids, both of whom received WIC benefits. Both husband and wife had good-paying (for the area) jobs, nice cars, a nice NEW home, and everyone had nice clothes and toys. Now, they could've easily paid their grocery bill themselves and, say, bought fewer toys or clothes or slightly less expensive cars. If someone can afford a Mercedes they do not need public assistance!!!

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    Venus, tell your cousin to ask the courts for a paternity test for her child. From my understanding, most states will FORCE a guy to take a paternity test in a case like this. I personally know of such cases. Once his fatherhood has been test-proven, she can then have his wages garnished for child support. Of course, he may then proceed to avoid work or get under the table jobs, but I know that child support laws are tougher recently, such that he could go to jail for not paying his child support.

    I would suggest your cousin go to the local child / family services office, and/or a women's shelter for advice and help on how to get started. Women's centers can be GREAT sources of information

    According to Illinois law, a man is presumed (considered) to be the legal father of a child if:
    He was married to the child's mother when she became pregnant or when the child was born.
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    The father has a legal obligation to help pay the cost of raising a child. When your child's paternity is established, he/she becomes eligible for the father's health insurance, the dependent's portion of Unemployment Insurance Benefits, Social Security benefits, veterans' benefits, life insurance and other benefits if the legal father becomes disabled or dies. HFS can help you locate the man you name as the father and collect the child support payments from him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    Venus, tell your cousin to ask the courts for a paternity test for her child. From my understanding, most states will FORCE a guy to take a paternity test in a case like this. I personally know of such cases. Once his fatherhood has been test-proven, she can then have his wages garnished for child support. Of course, he may then proceed to avoid work or get under the table jobs, but I know that child support laws are tougher recently, such that he could go to jail for not paying his child support.

    I would suggest your cousin go to the local child / family services office, and/or a women's shelter for advice and help on how to get started. Women's centers can be GREAT sources of information
    http://www.ilchildsupport.com/csbrochures/hfs3032.html
    It's already in process...however, he can only be ordered to take the paternity test IF he shows up for his court date...and THAT is dependant upon him getting SERVED. He doesn't answer his door if he doesn't know who's at it. He works behind secured lines at the airport, so they can't serve him at work...and his new "honey" does his shopping for him so he only goes out when he needs to. Since they have to serve him personally, they can't "prove service" by giving it to her.

    The last time my cousin was in court, the judge said, two more service attempts and then he's in deep shit (well, he didn't say those words, but used more legal jargon that implied it).

    She started legal proceedings when Abby was 2 months old. The legal system is SLOOOOOOOOOOW. But, in the meantime...she's barely making it along.

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    Well, good to hear she's working on it. The situation sucks

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    VenusGoddess, he doesn't have to show up to take the paternity test. However, when he doesn't, paternity is entered by default. I know this to be true for NJ, PA, MD, AZ, so I ASSUME that it would be pretty much the same accross the board.

    And, I'm pretty sure they can serve his ass at work, behind secured lines, even if the constable or deputy or whoever is serving him is escorted by someone who has the authority to escort him/her. I've seen and heard of many men being served on base, and even on the flight line, which is a very secure area.

    Anyway, like you said, she still has to wait for the system, but the good thing is she'll be entitled to arrears(sp) from the date that she filed...eventually.

    Bridgette, I don't think I've ever disagreed with anything I've read that you've written, so I re-read your post, before I posted this.

    Yes, you're right, they could buy less clothes, toys, and of course the Mercedes thing is over the damn top.

    However, I personally see a person's who is elgible for WIC benefits, even though they do have a decent job, taking them as a subjective/ case-by-case matter.

    I mean, there's been plenty of times I've heard a girl at work, complaining, or worrying about how much money she HAD to make, in order to pay her rent, bills or whatever.
    Not once did I say to one of my customers: No, thanks anyway, "stripper X" needs the money more than I do.

    I'll accept the critisism for my greedy, selfish, attitude, especially since I've been "stripperX" before too!

    I'm just saying, I made too much money to get any goddmaned help from the government with my child-care. I was bustin my ass for my country daily/nightly, and damn-daily again. If the fact that my child was a low-birthweight baby, qualifies me for WIC, I'm taking the shit!
    And I'm still buying his Tickle Me Elmo, and a big ass container of Duplos! SORRY!!

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    Jayda, working for a living can't really be compared to someone blatantly taking unneeded handouts. No, we don't change our work habits because another complains she needs money. We're all working for the same thing there, money. To not take a sale at work because you know/think another girl needs it more than you would be rather silly. Besides, we all know how many girls only work when they absolutely have to in order to make rent at the last second every month

    But when someone who obviously can afford the groceries takes the HANDOUT, on top of their regular income, while others who more desperately NEED those handouts are starving or barely scraping by, it sickens me. That is just greed, laziness and a false sense of entitlement in its most disgusting form. Public assistance isn't for those who THINK they deserve it for any reason. It's for people who, without it, wouldn't be able to care for themselves and their families. It was never intended for people to take merely because they could.

    If you're working hard, living a modest lifestyle and still finding it hard to make ends meet, well, more power to ya with the WIC. The line to distinguish true need can get fuzzy and I'd be the last person to blame someone for buying their kid a toy. But we know when there's true need, and when it's just greed/entitlement, don't we? If you truly feel you need the help, fine.

    And now I'll get right off my high horse.
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    Food, nutrition counseling, and access to health services are provided to low-income women, infants, and children under the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children, popularly known as WIC.

    WIC provides Federal grants to States for supplemental foods, health care referrals, and nutrition education for low-income pregnant, breastfeeding, and non-breastfeeding postpartum women, and to infants and children who are found to be at nutritional risk.

    ^^^^Listed under WIC's Mission statement.

    As I was told by the WIC nurse, WIC IS NOT always about not being able to afford food, its about having the RIGHT food. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on who public assistance is for, but WIC clearly states otherwise.

    Of course, an argument could be made that, parents could be educated on proper diets for their children who are found to be at nutritional risk, and buy it (the correct foods) themselves.

    However, I know that most of those kids will end up eating more cheezy-poofs than Eric Cartman (dairy group), and thinkin' that "Red" Kool-Aid counts as fruit & veggies. Which is why, you can only get specific foods, and brands of those foods, that are WIC approved.

    Now, was I smart enough to know the "right" foods?, Probably, surely I was smart enough to do the research. So, I can't lie and say I didn't feel an "entitlement", truth is though, I probably didn't give a shit, I would have bought whatever was on sale, so I could make it to my next payday, w/o my baby starving to death, so I understand that WIC helps grow healthy children
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustJayda
    VenusGoddess, he doesn't have to show up to take the paternity test. However, when he doesn't, paternity is entered by default. I know this to be true for NJ, PA, MD, AZ, so I ASSUME that it would be pretty much the same accross the board.
    Well, according to this judge, he should have an opportunity to have his say in court. It's been going on for 6 months (this phase of it). If he does not show up for his next court date, he'll be given one more chance (LOL) and if he's not there after that, then they can (and most likely will) declare him the father. I don't agree with the length of time being given...but at the same time...you want to make sure you cover all bases to avoid any "appeal" type things in the end. Not that there could be much to appeal, but still. I understand where they are coming from...but I know that my cousin is hurting financially trying to get something.

    And, I'm pretty sure they can serve his ass at work, behind secured lines, even if the constable or deputy or whoever is serving him is escorted by someone who has the authority to escort him/her. I've seen and heard of many men being served on base, and even on the flight line, which is a very secure area.
    This may be true in respects to an army...but at an airport, it's different (the difference between working in a government held occupation and a privately held occupation). He works on the runway (secured lines) and no one goes out there except runway personnel. O'Hare is extremely tight in that manner (but I'm sure if a terrorist wanted to, he'd be able to get in. heh). The sheriff has been to the job site 3 times and was denied access 3 times.

    Anyway, like you said, she still has to wait for the system, but the good thing is she'll be entitled to arrears(sp) from the date that she filed...eventually.
    Yes, hopefully they'll just garnish his wages immediately. Make him put the baby on his insurance and be done with it. I'm hoping, but we'll see how it actually plays out.

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    What happened to the IL law saying that the man is considered the father if he was married to the mother at time of conception. If they were married and he left at 5 months pregnant, then OBVIOUSLY they were married at time of conception, unless of course they happened to have just gotten married...

    Anyway...

    Jayda I was trying to say, in my sometimes convaluted and wordy way, that despite the fact our opinions may differ on what constitutes need in regard to public assistance and WIC, you don't have to justify yourself to me, or anyone else outside of the WIC organization for that matter. It is after all, your baby to raise and your conscience (please don't take that as an accusation). Although I was aware of the nutrition education and shopping limitations involved with WIC. I just know that many people use it for the financial benefit only, when they really don't need it. I am not accusing you of that because I don't know your situation. I DO know it's expensive to raise a kid, especially if you happen to be doing it alone, and every little bit helps. In any case, like I said before, not my place to judge there

    Quote Originally Posted by pheno View Post
    When you lead a nontraditional life don't try to measure it with traditional milestones.

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