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    Default ESCORTS upset about extras girls in SCs...Interesting!

    I have been hanging around www.escortsupport.com (Kinda like a SW for escorts). And a girl started a thread aboout how bad it is for business that strippers are doing extras. Read the thread.

    http://www.escortsupport.com/smf/index.php?topic=638.0 If you cant read it I'll try to post it, but its a thread so it might be hard to read.
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    Default Re: ESCORTS upset about extras girls in SCs...Interesting!

    I agree with her 100% . Seriously if a girl wants to do extras B/S then why not just be a escort? Why kill the sc buisness with their bs?

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    Default Re: ESCORTS upset about extras girls in SCs...Interesting!

    'extras' dancers are bad for both 'clean' dancers and for escorts !

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    Yes Melonie. I dont get why there girls insist on working in a sc if they're doing full on service anyway? Would they not make more money as an escort?

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    ^^ Agreed completely! There is a reason our businesses/services are separate.
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    They could make more money escorting anyway... so damn. Not to mention they're actually LESS likely to be busted. Some chicks are dumb.

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    es Melonie. I dont get why there girls insist on working in a sc if they're doing full on service anyway? Would they not make more money as an escort?
    My very personal take on the situation is that some girls need to operate under some sort of mental self-delusion about their offering extras to some customers in a strip club not equating to offering sex for money as an escort typically implies. IMHO this sort of mind game allows them to maintain a self-image that they are still a 'performer' rather than a 'sex worker', which IMHO is not only bulls#!t but rather dangerous as well.

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    Default Re: ESCORTS upset about extras girls in SCs...Interesting!

    Here is an old thread

    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35049

    which is perhaps somewhat relevant. It explains why at least one dancer-escort believed (and probably still does) that it was to her advantage to be an extras dancer, and not just an escort. Of course, many disapproved of her thinking/motives, but imo they do make some sense, at least from a selfish perspective.

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    The reason is because it is easier to lie to yourself about what your actual "occupation" is if you don't leave the strip club. Also, the male customers feel like if they get "extra's" in a strip club it's not like hiring a prostitute, they are paying for the dance, and the sex just happened. The guys are kidding themselves just as much as the stripper/hooker. That becomes obvious to everyone except the people who are hookers and tricks.

    There was a time when an "escort" was a job similar to "Tour Guide". Nowadays escort means the same thing as hooker, but the term stripper hasn't quite gotten to that point.


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    One customer explained to me that typical escorts in 'our area' make around $300 an hour, which is what we charge for dancing. The dancers who sell sex can therefore sell it at a premium, so instead of charging say $400 for sex a dancer could ask for $1000. But I think upscale escorts probably make that or more anyway, but I know nothing of escorts (except that I've eavesdropped on several girls discussing how they were busted for solicitation and moved to Ottawa to 'dance, etc' from Toronto because they could no longer get licensed).

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    locally, a lot of the extras girls find/consider giving extras ITC to be safer than traditional escorting or streetwalking, and better income than the lingerie studios (semi-legal brothels, essentially).

    the catch is that because extras girls get to thinking extras are the ONLY thing customers will/should pay for, they are kind of up against a corner offering cheap extras if it's a slow shift and can't get tips any other way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella
    locally, a lot of the extras girls find/consider giving extras ITC to be safer than traditional escorting or streetwalking, and better income than the lingerie studios (semi-legal brothels, essentially).
    As a former escort I think this is probably the closest explanation to the truth. There is also the aspect of self-delusion ("I'm a dancer, not a whore!") and the fact that in certain clubs a striptitute, as I call them, can cherrypick customers she has already met for over-the-counter action priced at a premium above what escorts typically charge.

    But as miabella says, this can backfire. Being independent means you're running your own small business. You have to concern yourself with marketing, advertising, appointment setting, self-maintainance, customer relations, and you are the product. A lot of girls simply don't have their shit together enough to work as an independent escort. There also may not be an escort agency in the area. In NYC for example, quite a few of the agencies were busted in early '05 and are only slowly starting to appear on the radar now.

    Agencies also take 50% of your earnings, and most want you to work a minimum number of calls per week. This requires answering to someone else and adhering to a schedule. Striptitutes may not want to split their money with someone else, or maybe they can't or won't follow a schedule. Maybe she likes to party, and party favors are more readily available in clubs.

    These are just some of the reasons why women choose to offer sex acts via strip clubs. isn't nearly as big as SW. Most of the escort sites are ladies-and-by-invitation only and are invisible to the public.

    Paris, "escort" can still mean "guide" in certain context like "police escort" just like "hook" can mean "solicit for sex" or "an object used to catch fish". Escort was simply the word substituted for "call girl" sometime in the eighties, probably by the Mayflower Madam if I had to hazard a guess. What it means is pretty well understood. Outside of SW I've never, ever heard of escort, as in the young, attractive women sort, to mean just accompanying a man on a date in public...I don't know where this canard originates from.

    If it makes strippers feel any better, I've noticed a lot of co-ed types who throwing up web pages and blogs asking for large "donations" because they've read the websites of women like . Having no idea what the business entails they either (1) disappear in a couple of months or (2) reappear with drastically lower rates.

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    im an escort and im gonna go ahead and say that most escorts do sleep with their customers, but i do strictly no contact shows and can make up to 1000+ in 30 min, if course you have bad and good nights but I feel like the word escort to most people means hooker, and thats far from the truth.
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    how do you accomplish this, chitownchick? and do you keep all 1k?

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    In Aus, an escort sleeps with her customer. it's the job. Escort ='s prostitute. None of that "oh I only have dinner" crapity do da.

    Strippers who do extras make a guy FEEL like he's not a sleeze because he didn't hire an escort, he just propositioned a stripper. WTF.

    Same with strippers. "Well I'm not a whore"

    Whatever.

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    True prostitutes have a dim view of strippers. I've had in depth conversations with some of my friends that work in the Nevada brothels - some of the things they have said concerning strippers/dancers just makes me cringe.

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    ^^Explain...
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    I'm cutting and pasting from the escort site link..

    http://www.escortsupport.com/smf/index.php?topic=638.0

    This is both bad for strippers and escorts. I'm reading now on a few stripper websites that ladies in the clubs are providing extras such as hj and bjs for tips. This pisses me off, because why should anyone call anyone else when they can just go to a club? Also, there are a lot of clean dancers in clubs (I used to be one) that just want to dance and tease and get paid to take their clothes off. This bullshit is both cutting into our business as well as theirs. Of course, the club owners don't care, because they profit no matter what.

    There is of course the man that sees the brothels as his hobby. Like some guys do with SC's.

    Then again the so called "dirty" dancer, or stripper ( dirty as in not adhering to the laws in her state and willing to compromise her own bounders to make more cash. Not just sexually dirty) is unknowingly or uncaring about the effects she has.

    Also, for independent escorts - who work outside of the law, are not medically regulated, they are taking the same sort of risk that the dirty dancer takes and of course I understand their frustration over dirty dancers

    Basically it boils down to do one or the other, you can't do both at the same time.

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    I have heard prostitutes say a wide variety of unflattering things about dancers, so I don't know what Crow heard from her Nevada brothel friends, but Nicolina summarized one common view:

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolina
    Strippers who feel superior to prostitutes would be shocked by the ways in which prostitutes look down on strippers: "How could they be so public about it???" "How could they be okay with having so many men looking at them every night?" "It's so classless!Those over-the-top outfits!...And those hideous shoes! They're like caricatures of sexy..." "How could they undervalue themselves like that, grinding on stranger's laps for a few dollars at a time, when they could be making $500 for a private and discreet half-hour with a trusted john? (During which a skilled provider doesn't have to do much of anything...?)"
    in this old thread:

    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60482

    which has a lot of good material re the differences and similarities of the two professions.

    I have also heard prostitutes make comments along the lines that they are honest sex workers who deliver the "product" the customers want and intend to purchase to the best of their ability while dancers are more like con artists, or at best unscrupulous advertisers, who intentionally mislead or deceive the customers to get as much money as they can while delivering as little service as possible.

    Note that I am reporting hearing the above type of comment, not making it myself.

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    Wwander:

    That too in a nutshell. I did not want to hijack the thread.

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    Well, doctors look down on chiropractors, but both are legitimate, noble professions(and vice versa). The reason one choose one over the other is because it suits her/his personality and goals more.

    I don't give a shit if someone looks down on me based on what I do....no matter what she does.

    But with that said, if I was a top escort, it would probably change my opinion of escorting.

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    yeah, ive heard those arguments before; i have a friend that streetwalked at one point--she once worked in the clubs, but felt "shaking ur ass for a few dollars was too much work". granted that is more of an extreme opinion. i think she couldnt take the rejection that comes with dancing. Dommes, escorts, bodyrubb-ers (lol), often look down on dancers--but whats funny, is dancing is usually how they started out in this biz!

    I used to domme & i thought about escorting but prefer dancing b/c u have choices--i dont have to do anything that i dont want to do. An escort that will only do certain things can have problems with a customer "b/c he paid for it and should get it"
    I guess in the end, it comes down to what your preference is.

    If there are any escorts reading this, Im curious how much $ are you making per call/per week? B/c here in NY, there are lot of agencies that charge 2-300$ (w/a 50/50 split i assume) per call. But i dont think thats alot of money for the amount of time spent...or am i wrong? Or is it more of system like, $300 gets you in the door and anything else (like fs) is extra?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AkashaM
    If there are any escorts reading this, Im curious how much $ are you making per call/per week? B/c here in NY, there are lot of agencies that charge 2-300$ (w/a 50/50 split i assume) per call. But i dont think thats alot of money for the amount of time spent...or am i wrong? Or is it more of system like, $300 gets you in the door and anything else (like fs) is extra?
    I don't think you'll find very many women on SW who are willing to openly admit that they work, present tense, as an escort, for fear that they will be insulted and scorned. But you can be sure that they are here. Trust me on that.

    $300 is a low rate for New York. By the local standards of escorting, upselling is consided dishonest and bad practice and an advertised rate is supposed to be all-inclusive. There are some Long Island, Florida, and Quebec-based agencies that bring in girls for tours where they have an average of four to six appointments per day back to back for up to a week at $300-350 an hour. It's very exhausting work that's difficult for any woman or girl to sustain for protracted length of time. There are also Asian massage parlours and predominantly South American-staffed brothels at a lower price point that operate in Manhattan through word of mouth on escort review boards. Then there's Craig's List.

    The more upscale agencies tend to charge between $700-1000 per hour, and yes, agencies do take half. All NYC agencies are generally keeping a lower profile since a few high-profile busts in early 2005.

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    I guess prostitutes find Beyonce and Christina Aguilera disgraceful and disgusting for doing all that in front of the WORLD. Strange....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist
    I guess prostitutes find Beyonce and Christina Aguilera disgraceful and disgusting for doing all that in front of the WORLD. Strange....
    The examples you quoted are both millionaires, so I doubt prostitutes would consider them disgraceful and disgusting. Some might consider them to be very well-paid variations on prostitutes.

    Strippers don't like it when they're all painted with the same brush and categorized according to silly generalizations. Resist the impulse to do the same with escorts.

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