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    Well, scouting "unexperianced" ladies may need to be more defined in order for the rest of this thread to go smoother. Now, if you take them out of the dive bars and teach them how to make money the most "entertaining" way possible, meaning less contact depending on their personal preference, then i do not see a problem. Basically, it seems as though you are preying on dumb extra girls and not making any attempts to help them make good money by perhaps doing less then they really want to do. As long as your girls are straight, and making their "entertainer" decisions based soley on comfort level, as opposed to making their decisions based on being "new" and immature or other bad things...then all is dandy. If the woman is making her entertainer decisions based on anything else besides comfort level...something is wrong and thats not a father figure. Again, you may need to be more clear about that on this thread.

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    I agree totally with the last few posters on this board.

    I'm also going to point out this - I work at a "dive" bar, and am definitely quite young. I play my schtick well. But you know what? I make six to eight times more than my co-workers. As an on-time, no-extras, non-drug abusing, non-skanky girl, I would NOT work for what you are paying. I can make ten times that at the club,easy.

    The other girls? The dumb, sweet, new ones? They don't have a work ethic, and they're skanky. ANY girl who has been working more than a week or two that has a good body, mind, personality, and no drug issues would fall in the floor and LAUGH at your suggestion.

    And personally? I would hire one of Paris's centerfolds over an extras girl from a dive any day... They apparently had enough "fight" in them to make it where they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldCoastGirl
    Dont you guys know what a pub is ?? Damn..

    pub
    n. A place of business where alcoholic beverages are sold and drunk.
    n : tavern consisting of a building with a bar and public rooms; often provides light meals [syn: public house, saloon, pothouse, gin mill, taphouse]

    Now are we more clear ? Alot of pubs and taverns around Australia have weekly strip shows (only nude - no insertion allowed) and/or lingere/bikini/topless waitresses (or lingere/bikini/topless girls selling meat tray raffle tickets).
    The liquor laws in the US prevent most alcohol serving establishments from having shows like this. They need to have a special "cabaret" license to even offer bikini dancers (in some regions).

    Our male dancers even had to agree to keep thier shirts on in one state here in the US. And it is considered a "liberal" state, too. They were allowed to perform onstage shirtless, but the dollar dances and table dances the guys had to keep their shirts on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ctstriptease1
    Paris,

    I don't understand why you've gone out of your way to insult my integrity, but it's not uncommon of moderators on this site to rip people they disagree with.
    First of all, I have no mod powers in Private dancing, so my opinion is mine alone, and does not reflect on stripperweb's opinion. (My opinion seems to be shared with other hard working dancer here, as well).

    Quote Originally Posted by ctstriptease1
    You can reject my advice but my success as an agency owner speaks for its self; granted, we are in Connecticut, we still host more parties than any other agency around. All of your comments ("low quality talent", "pimp with underage performers??") have no validation, so I'm not taking it personal.
    Success?? How did that lawsuit turn out? We'll see who is here 20 years from now. The agency I work for has already been around for 18 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by ctstriptease1
    However, Paris, you did use the word "pimp" discouragingly, as if our managerial position is not remotely similiar.
    I find jobs for dancers who are independent contractors, and allow them to decide if they want to work or not. "Pimp" is not a good thing, but you are making it sound like you are proud to be in this position??


    Quote Originally Posted by ctstriptease1
    Please, do not "knock" the hustle; I read your lengthy comment earlier about dancers running late and missing shows, whereas if you had a better understanding and appreciation of the game, this would've never happend. Dancers are supposed to make you money, instead your losing money returning deposits and paying merchant service refund fees.
    I highly doubt that you proivde more bachelor party dancers and strip-o-gram shows than the agency I work for. Did your agency have over 80 shows on saturday night? Oh, and we don't do one-on-ones either. We leave those to the escorts.




    Quote Originally Posted by ctstriptease1
    Your dancer blew you off, causing you to lose money, damage your company reputation, yet you're not going to hit this dancer with a fine or drop her from your roster? Unless you started your agency to be a "strippers best friend", than this is ridiculous! Do you think a club would tolerate shit like that ...
    Fining is illegal of either independent contractors or employees. Wait until one of your performers get desprate for cash and talks to a lawyer...

    Oh, and clubs do tolerate that shit, if they want to keep their dancers. We aren't in Las Vegas where there is a glut of talent, We serve a lot of rural regions. And we do discontinue a dancer's contract if he/she cannot fulfill the work he/she has agreed to do. But some things are just beyond the control of any agent.

    Heavy handed control on dancers, who tend to be free spiritied and anti establishment anyway, will not retain your talent.



    Quote Originally Posted by ctstriptease1
    I'm also not impressed by you having "porn actors/actresses, Hustler models, Playgirl models and feature dancers" on your roster either, because when it comes to parties, its not the size of the dog but the size of the fight in the dog. You can have those centerfold models, etc., because they're not gonna work as hard as these respectable looking dancers that I've got already.
    It is the customers who keep requesting these performers, so we've got to be doing something right...

    These entertainers had to work very hard to get to the status they are at. Why would you consider them lazy? I think you have no expierence with working with features. They work VERY hard.


    Quote Originally Posted by ctstriptease1
    and its more important that they get a over the top quality show with lasting memories in order to get a referral and repeat business. It's like hiring mexicans to mow your lawn, who's gonna complain when they can do a better job for more reasonable prices.
    Ummm, if I was a dancer I'd be beating down your door for a job on this comment alone...NOT.

    No dancers = no income. The agent is the middle man bringing the customers and the talent together. The dancers are your customers as well as the people requesting the talent. The dancer's give the agency a cut in order to get more work. The agency has to bring quality jobs to the dancers to make it worth their while to keep working with the agency.

    What part of this do you not understand??
    Last edited by Paris; 06-29-2006 at 11:05 AM.


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    I just thought I would add that the agency I work for is one of the top 3 in the USA. ctstriptease is not.

    I have a feeling that his is more of an escort agency and not a party dancer service, anyway.

    We do not do one-on-ones. All of our shows are parties of at least 6 guests. Our dancers make good money (like up to $1000 an hour). We will flush a customer that seems like a trouble maker. I did it on Saturday night. I do not wish to have a Duke-LaCrosse type of situation, and will go out of my way to make sure that doesn't happen.

    The money we make off of our parties is not nearly as important as the saftey and happiness of our dancers. Happy dancers means less turn over and happy customers.


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    Paris: you are awesome!!! I am so happy to have found someone that has taken the time to give me so many great tips!!! I have 3 interviews on saturday, and if I decide to hire any of them, I will def direct them to this site!!! (all 3 have never danced before)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silky
    Again, you may need to be more clear about that on this thread.
    Silky, I don't think I need to be any clearer, but perhaps members of this community should be less judgmental before they go typing away. I just read cherry_sin message and I don't know what the she's talking about; I only suggested that you not overlook dancers who work in clubs that are dives, I never once said go out and hire prostitutes or girls who do "extras", yet her post is rambling and isn't correlating to anything I ever mentioned.

    There has always been this nasty sentiment on this message board toward clubs and agencies, a sweeping indictment that we're all "pimps" or taking advantage of dancers. I suggested hiring newbies, saying they're young and dumb, because they are inexperienced and don't understand the workings of the game. When dealing with newbies, you are like a coach (which, to many athletes, is a "father" or "mother"-like position), showing them the ropes. I have great working relantionships with all my dancers and, far as I know, they all view me and my company in a positive light.

    In the beginning, I just wanted to pass a gem on to a starter and wish them the best, but I am enjoying exchanging post with you, especially Paris.

    Paris, I do hope you understand, that while we have a difference in opinion, I have no ill feelings about you.


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    ^^ I enjoy open debate. I do see myself as a "proctector of strippers" as you put it.

    I think it is possible for everyone to make money and have fun in this industry, w/o having to deceive either dancers or customers. I don't see this business as an "Us against them" mentality. We are a team working together to make everyone happy, and I do see myself as the coach. It is cool because everyone wins and there are no losers in this game if it is played properly.


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    Paris,

    Quote Originally Posted by Paris
    Success?? How did that lawsuit turn out? We'll see who is here 20 years from now. The agency I work for has already been around for 18 years.
    Lawsuit? I have no ideal what you are referring to, I've never been to court for anything more serious than a traffic violation. Your agency can be here for the next 100 years, I don't plan on doing this forever, I have a lot more to contribute than running some stripper agency for the rest of my life.

    Quote Originally Posted by paris
    I highly doubt that you proivde more bachelor party dancers and strip-o-gram shows than the agency I work for. Did your agency have over 80 shows on saturday night? Oh, and we don't do one-on-ones either. We leave those to the escorts.
    What is your point? No, I didn't do 80 shows last saturday, but my territory is not as large as yours either. I'm happily a big fish in a small pond called Connecticut; one of the richest but also one of the smaller states in the union. You keep suggesting that I'm involved in escorting, but we also don't do private one-on-ones.

    Quote Originally Posted by paris
    Fining is illegal of either independent contractors or employees. Wait until one of your performers get desprate for cash and talks to a lawyer...

    Heavy handed control on dancers, who tend to be free spiritied and anti establishment anyway, will not retain your talent.
    So your going to pay that merchant refund fee and give this dancer another opportunity to make money off your company. Hey, let me know when I can be next to take a dump on your head since you don't mind letting dancers poop on your company.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris
    I just thought I would add that the agency I work for is one of the top 3 in the USA. ctstriptease is not.
    Where did you get this information from? Who goes around ranking stripper agency?

    BTW, do you are you agency owner or are you an employee?


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    Well people do not seem to understand why you would advice this guy that he should "want" them to be young and dumb. Sorry it just seems like something that a shady person would want. I understand the logic behind not overlooking small clubs with potential girls to mentor, as long as it is positive. You state that the girls that do not work at premiere clubs are used to "raunchier" lap dances and can make the transition from club stripper to party stripper easier. Are you helping them to make the transition in order to decrease this "raunch" type of dancing, so they can be more on the lighthearted entertaining side? Are you making sure to help these "dumb" females understand the job, and come to terms with their true comfort levels in the entertainment business? Everyone has different comfort levels, but it seemed as though you think it is better to have the young dumb ones so they can bring their raunchiness to your agency. Correct me if i am wrong, this is a thread it's not always easy to understand people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctstriptease1
    Paris,



    Lawsuit? I have no ideal what you are referring to, I've never been to court for anything more serious than a traffic violation.
    I was talking about this: http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65585


    Quote Originally Posted by ctstriptease1
    Your agency can be here for the next 100 years, I don't plan on doing this forever, I have a lot more to contribute than running some stripper agency for the rest of my life.
    Well, let me know when you are ready to be done with your business. I may be interested in buying it from you in the future. I'm in this business because I LOVE IT. I love the dancers, I love the customers, and I love the fact that it is a "feel good" business. I may not have the paitence or stamina to club dance any more, but I am certainly not ready to get out entirely.

    People who look at their businesses in the short term only are cutting their noses off to spite their face. You have a business that generates a good income for you and you are willing to piss it away because you see your business as not contributing anything worthwhile to your life. Look at what is happening to clubs all over the USA. Those guys got greedy and now it is back firing on them.

    Owning a strip tease agency may be frivolous, but so is Victoria's Secret. Or even better... Pet Psychics! But those businesses fulfil a need just like stripper agencies. Running "some stripper agency" is as honest a living as any.


    Quote Originally Posted by ctstriptease1
    What is your point? No, I didn't do 80 shows last saturday, but my territory is not as large as yours either. I'm happily a big fish in a small pond called Connecticut; one of the richest but also one of the smaller states in the union. You keep suggesting that I'm involved in escorting, but we also don't do private one-on-ones.
    You had made a claim to be "one of the busiest agencies around". I was speaking to that comment. You really need to watch your business as the biggest agency in the country is moving into your territory, and may be agressivly recuiting your dancers away from you with promises of higher paying shows.




    Quote Originally Posted by ctstriptease1
    So your going to pay that merchant refund fee and give this dancer another opportunity to make money off your company. Hey, let me know when I can be next to take a dump on your head since you don't mind letting dancers poop on your company.
    Six bad shows out of 80+ isn't a horrible ratio. If a strip club only had 6 dancers out of 80 shifts scheduled flake, they would probably have the most reliable group of dancers on the planet. And like I said, the dancers who have a problem with missing shows fall to the bottom of the list and their photos get pulled from the website.

    I'm not a martyr. I don't like giving back money to the customer anymore than any other business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctstriptease1
    Where did you get this information from? Who goes around ranking stripper agency?

    BTW, are you an agency owner or are you an employee?
    I was just going on sheer numbers of strippers and shows booked as well as areas served to determine which agency is on top. I don't have any hard facts, only a vauge idea of who is doing well with their business. For instance Spearmint Rhino and Deja Vu are commonly known as the biggest club chains around. One could safely assume that they do more business than "The Clown's Den" in Cheyenne, WY.

    I am neither an owner nor an employee of the agency I work for. I am an independent contractor working on commission. Refunds definatly hurt me. I also recruit talent and manage revue shows on site.


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    i can tell you right now paris, from the sounds of what you just said, if i was in your area i'd be beating down your door and begging you to let me work for your agency

    and if i ever heard my boss saying the kind of things that ctstriptease has said, or referring to me in the way he refers to his girls, i'd quit immediately, and so would any performer with a shred of self-respect.

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    I think Paris is my new favorite person!!! Thank you again fo all the great tips!!!

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    PARIS - as an agency owner I could not agree more then with what you have said

    CT STRIP - stop treating women like a peice of meat, have some respect and think about getting in to a new industry if that is how you think of the girls that work for your business that make you money week in and week out. It is some times hard enough to dance (i know this my self) with out an a$$hole of a boss who wants to treat you like a $2 whore he picked up out of a youth center.

    Get a life CT STRIP and treat women with your utmost respect.
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