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    I have been dancing for 3 1/2 years now, and in the past 6 months or so I began to demand my tips up front, prior to the dance's commencement... my money greatly improved, so I got more motivation, and became a better hustler, all over it made dancing an allover more rewarding job. Just recently I have heard in our state (PA), it is considered prositution to ask for your tip up front. I plan on continuing to do so as I am about as straight laced as they come otherwise, an. It seems to be the norm in my region.

    I am just curious... is this considered illegal in all of the U.S.? How many of you use this tactic?
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    In my club, the bad rep you'll get is second only to the fact that you could get arrested for asking for money before dancing.

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    You ASK for TIPS up front, or the dance money upfront? I understand the dance money but TIPS? Asking for tips is shallow, IMO.


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    Default Re: Tips up front?

    In my club the manager has TOLD us to ask for a tip after dances. Sweetly, of course.

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    Where I am from dancers that ask for tips before, after or during a dance are blacklisted on ZBone.com. That is death for a dancer around here.

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    I ask for a tip upfront. All the girls in my club do. Some say "Dances are a $10 minimum" or "Dances are $10 plus a tip if you enjoyed yourself." For VIPs, I have a waitress or a host ask for a tip for me (20%) then I get the guy to tip them as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WEEZO
    I have been dancing for 3 1/2 years now, and in the past 6 months or so I began to demand my tips up front,
    I think if anyone demanded a tip from me up front or otherwise, I think that the only tip she would get is to go seek another customer.

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    i hope asking for dance money up front isnt illegal. i'd never ask for tips before OR after the dance, although i -hint- sometimes afterwards. i get my money for dances up front if someone seems shady to me though. i hope that's not illegal. :/

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    File this one under yet another reason this business is going downhill.

    Can someone here name me another service that a customer generally tips for (barber, salon, cab driver, bellhop, wait staff) where the provider verbally ask for or demand a tip, let alone one where they ask for/demand it before the service has yet to be performed. It seems only in strip clubs where this bizarre culture has gained a foothold.

    About the only thing I find more asinine that the fact this is occuring is the fact that there are customers so weak and malable that they will go along with it, which is why it will keep on happening.
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    Well some other girls on here have indicated that the "tip" is what they dance for; like the fee. If it is simply a gratuity I definitely wouldn't ask for it before.
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    I think guys could spare even a buck or two to tip us, and myself and my fiancee would always tip the dancer after a dance, unless it was unbearable. I think demanding a tip is tacky. Also, some guys just do not think to tip for couch dances, so simply saying, "dances are such and such, and anything else would like to tip would be appreciated," will give them a hint. NOTHING more about tipping should not be mentioned, thank them sweetly at the end whether or not they tip. I would be extremely put off, if the DJ demanded a better tip from me. It is a TIP. He's already buying a dance sheesh.
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    I've got tipped $10 last night for a $30 dance without asking. I've never asked and will never ask, I think that's rude. However, I think it's great to say "dances are a $30 minimum". In fact I might use that next time I work

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    I would never ask for a tip for a lapdance. I'll sometimes ask for stage tips, if they sat at the tip rail and watched the show but haven't tipped anything. But I do it AFTER the show and I'm cute about it. I couldn't imagine demanding a lapdance tip before even doing the dance! How tacky.

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    Is it really worth tarnishing your reputation as a dancer that gives great dances to become the dancer that not only asks for tips, but does so BEFORE ever giving a dance? That's a one way ticket to having to change clubs and your name...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah
    I would never ask for a tip for a lapdance. I'll sometimes ask for stage tips, if they sat at the tip rail and watched the show but haven't tipped anything. But I do it AFTER the show and I'm cute about it. I couldn't imagine demanding a lapdance tip before even doing the dance! How tacky.
    Same here. I think demanding or even asking for a tip (even after a dance) is just weird and borders on rude.
    If there is a guy sitting at the tip rail and not tipping and being an asshole, that's another story. With these guys, I will ask them if they liked my stage show, and usually they get it and throw me at least a dollar or two. Sometimes they give me some snotty remark and wave me away. That's when they get my middle finger. The only time I expect a tip is when someone is sitting at the stage.

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    At my club when I first started I was told to tell the customer before the dance "the bigger the tip the hotter the dance"

    I usually don't unless one of the girls have warned me that the guy wasn't tipping and even then I still feel stupid saying it.

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    I think asking for a tip upfront is beyond tacky. Hell, even afterwards I think it's tacky. We have a waitress at our club who demands tips. She'll deliver drinks and if the guy doesn't tip her, she'll say 'I did my job, now you need to tip me'. She's gotten better, but she's run off some regulars who thought she did a poor job and didn't want to tip her for it.
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    I feel yall that it is rude but in my club alot of ass holes try to walk out on u so my head bouncer told me from now on collect first or if i was uncomfortable he would get it for me first. So i would usually say "Umm i have to collect the tip first just for security reasons" and i would use management as the excuse liek i would get in trouble if i didnt

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    ^^ I know what you're saying, but I think we're all confusing the actual fee (cost of dance) with a tip/gratuity (extra money given on top of the fee). I totally support getting fees up front, and try to do so as much as I can, though it becomes more difficult when doing multiple dances without breaking the mood.

    Count my vote in the column for thinking that "demanding" a tip at all is tacky, and even more so when asked for in advance*. I agree with doc-catfish; where else in any business would this be the case? Even in situations where tipping is not just considered an extra but is pretty much required (waitress, bartender), you would never give the tip FIRST! The idea is to reward the server (or whatever) for hard work. Same goes for a good performance.

    I believe in tipping, very much so, but as a dancer who has also been a customer, I've had both good and not-so-good dances (not too many of the latter, though). I was thrilled to tip those who blew me away, but, for example, I would have been pissed if I tipped the last dancer I bought a lap from in advance, and she proceeded to act bored and distracted, waving at and even chatting with various pals of hers multiple times throughout the dance! Now, I know that assessing female customers can be challenging. She might have written me off as some tourist who just got a dance as a lark and wasn't planning on spending any more, so she calculated that I wasn't worth investing her energy in. She miscalculated. I was there with a mob of friends and I would have lustily referred her to at least two other interested people, male and female, if not more, had she been good. Oh well!

    *Hinting at it afterwards, however, especially if you know you did a fine job, is just peachy. I'd like to get better at doing so gracefully/playfully/nonobnoxiously. Also like what someone said about the cost being a $20 (or whatever) "minimum". I might try it out too.
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    In response to all those who stated you "tarnish your reputation" or become blacklisted... etc, or just wont get dances in general, in my Northeast region is pretty much club standard, I was instructed by the other girls to follow the same suit so we can all continue to make money. I have never had a customer refuse me as a dancer for this very reason.

    Prior to this I rarely got a tip, never asked, occasionally girls would try to train me to ask with poor results. I believe this method evolved up here because the clubs take such a high amount from every dance (%50).
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    Quote Originally Posted by VenomKissed
    At my club when I first started I was told to tell the customer before the dance "the bigger the tip the hotter the dance"

    I'm not harsh or abrasive in any way, the phrase I use is actually quite similar to what you were instructed to say.
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    Another pet peeve of mine about clubs is tipping, that DJ that every other word out of his mouth is something along the lines of " these girls work for tips" If you are on stage and you are my type or I like what you are doing, pole tricks or whatever I will alk up and tip you a few bucks, if I really like you or you are a fave of mine I will sit there for your entire set and give you more than a few. by the same token if you are not my type and or you are not doing much more than standing or walking around up there I don't feel compelled to tip you.

    I would agree with what Rose said above lets, not confuse your portion, 50% or whatever of the fee for the dance with any "extra money" I might give you afterword because I liked what you did. If your club makes you get the dance fee up front or that is just the way you want to do it and the club does not care either way fine, but I am going to tip you for something I have not got? What is your incentive to do a good job then? Even asking for tips after, you may have thought you did this super hot max grind lapdance but maybe that isn't what I wanted, maybe I wanted slow and sexy/sensual and not have you try and break my dick. I am the customer so I get to decide if what you did desrves a tip. I have never been asked before so far "for a tip" and would never pay one frst, I have tipped after plenty of times, some girls have asked and I was going to anyway so it wasn't so bad but a few other times I had no itention of doing it anyway and did not.

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    What I think you might be missing and I totally understand your point is there are many customers that just assume that we are making so much money that we don't need tips which in reality that's not the case. SOMETIMES we make great money but there are other nights we don't. Many customers assume since we're on stage getting naked the money is just magically appearing in our garters. What is bothersome to me is I give 100% effort in my appearance, stage show, table & VIP dances. I try my darnest to give the customer a great experience and when I know I've given them a great experience (I know because they get a 2nd dance or whatever) I don't think and I know the rest of the dancers on here feel the same, I don't think it's too much to ask for a tip. $5 isn't going to kill anyone. Hell, you tip waitresses, bartenders more than that at a decent restaurant and they're not getting naked, and I'm not saying they don't deserve it any less or more than us. It's just that there are a lot of dancers out there that work their tale ends off and customers come expecting a free show, try to negotiate our prices by saying I'll do a dance with you for half the price and then many that don't tip at all. That's why we get frustrated and we feel that we almost have to ask in a nice way because many won't do it and we have to try to make up for the many ones that don't. Trust me, unless you've worked in a job that you relied on tips for your income, you'll never understand. I never fully understood until I got in this line of work, now I tip everywhere so much more and more often than I ever did. I never tipped the coffee makers at StarBucks but I did today for the first time. Doing this has made me understand how valuable a tip can be.

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    Its smart and wise to ask for the money up front for the dance but for many guys/gals/ customers in general we are all on a budget. A nice way to go about this I have found is to say "Sweetheart it's company policy that I get the money for the dance first, It's nothing personal and besides I just want to focus on you when I'm dancing." It makes them feel important and it makes sure that you get your cash up front. A tip is not mandatory so if they give it to you afterwards smile nicely and say thanks hey they got a dance/vip etc that's a compliment in itself.

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    [QUOTE=RoseWhite]^^ I know what you're saying, but I think we're all confusing the actual fee (cost of dance) with a tip/gratuity (extra money given on top of the fee). I totally support getting fees up front, and try to do so as much as I can, though it becomes more difficult when doing multiple dances without breaking the mood.

    Count my vote in the column for thinking that "demanding" a tip at all is tacky, and even more so when asked for in advance*. I agree with doc-catfish; where else in any business would this be the case? Even in situations where tipping is not just considered an extra but is pretty much required (waitress, bartender), you would never give the tip FIRST! The idea is to reward the server (or whatever) for hard work. Same goes for a good performance.
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    Yes i was getting it mixed up but in that case when it comes to a tip i usually say okay the dance is 30 per song plus tip! is that wrong to say plus i dont think it is, its just letting them know that theya er suppose to tip!And that part i usually collect afterwards..

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