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    I don't know if any of you guys live in Nashville or not, but I do right now. (I miss L.A.) Basically there is a plan to have all strip clubs shut down with a ten year period. So, needless to say the locals are not coming in like they used to. Last night was Saturday and there were literally seven guys there at ten at night..........its mainly out of towners. Well, I was sitting next to this old guy who was talking about partying down..he wanted to party get some dances...well he did not get dances but he gave me a long spiel on how the economy was so bad and that was the reason why no one was there and ect....and then out of nowhere...he left. He just left. I hate this because it seems to be happening more and more. Its almost like guys come in and they are in the mood to be wowed..and then they sort of look around and get bored. As a one woman show I don't see what it is that I can really do besides smile and make the usual converstaion........ Is it the ecomony? Is it the laws? I doubt it, but yet I do notice that there is a damper mood in the clubs lately..even with the other girls. I was wondering if there are any Nashville girls on here and if they are noticing the same thing happening?

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    Of course the economy has something to do with it? Think about it...hmm spend $40 and get 2 lapdances or spend that same $40 to fill your gas tank? There are so many people who can barely make ends meet, and the ones who can are counting their blessings. I cant' wait for 2008!!!







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    ^^^ there are lots of threads about the effects of changes in the US economy in Dollar Den.

    While it's possible that, shall we say, 'tensions' between local city councils and clubowners may cause a few local customers to shy away from strip clubs, this can't be a big factor in a 'tourist' city like Nashville. As you said yourself, the majority of recent club customers are from out-of-town, thus it's highly unlikely that they would have been following local media enough to know that any 'tension' or elevated potential risk of club busts even exists.

    As cinnamon points out, despite 'official' CPI figures, gasoline prices / airline ticket prices are going up along with cost of oil / jet fuel. Rents and ARM mortgage payments and utility bills are going up. State and local taxes are going up as well. Interest rates have been rising, thus increasing monthly credit card payments, monthly car payments etc. As to health costs, tuition costs etc. the increases are staggering.

    Being a dancer in any city means that dancers are totally dependent on 'discretionary spending' by customers. Having to spend more money for necessary things leaves less 'discretionary dollars' available for splurging in strip clubs. But being a dancer in a 'tourist' city only compounds this problem. First of all, clubs in 'tourist' cities are dependent of out-of-towners having enough 'discretionary income' to be able to afford coming to that city for a vacation in the first place. Second, clubs in 'tourist' cities are then even more dependent that the out-of-town vacationers have enough money available to see the 'major attractions' the city has to offer and still have quite a bit left over for a 'side-trip' to a strip club.

    There are a few cities which will probably escape this phenomenon ... I'm thinking in terms of Manhattan or Chicago or Atlanta where 'tourism' is a relatively minor part of the local strip club economy, where certain guys in certain professions are earning absolutely tons of money, thus upscale clubs shouldn't see much of a drop in cash flow. At the other end of the spectrum are perhaps cities like Nashville and Memphis, where tourism is a large piece of the local strip club economy, and where 'blue collar' locals and 'blue collar' tourists (whose 'discretionary spending' is more severely affected by a rising CPI) provide the majority of the club customer base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinammonkisses
    Of course the economy has something to do with it? Think about it...hmm spend $40 and get 2 lapdances or spend that same $40 to fill your gas tank? There are so many people who can barely make ends meet, and the ones who can are counting their blessings. I cant' wait for 2008!!!

    2008! I hope Hillary runs, I so want to see a female President!

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    ^^^ not to get off topic too far, but if Hilary's past and present policies (she's my senator !) were to be extended nationwide, what is very likely to happen is that the 'poor' will do better i.e. better social benefits, better health care, higher minimum wage etc. On the other hand, these benefits and programs must be paid for by raising taxes on the 'middle class' and on businesses. Keep in mind that the vast majority of strip club customers are 'middle class' businessmen or 'middle class' employees of businesses, and that very few strip club customers are 'poor', such that the consequences of Hilary's policies being implemented on a nationwide basis would very probably do further damage to strip club earnings potential.

    If you'd like concrete evidence of the Hilary effect on strip clubs, just ask any dancer who works in NY clubs outside of Manhattan / Long Island (where club economies are typically supported by the 'very rich' and not the 'middle class') what has happened to dancer earnings potential and/or mileage factor over the past 5 years since Hilary has been Senator from NY. In general, the high NY taxes have driven many businesses out of the state, taking with them good paying 'middle class' manufacturing jobs. The majority of good paying new jobs which have come into the area to take their place are gov't service / public sector oriented - thus under pressure from gov't officials/bosses to avoid doing anything that might lead to a public scandal (meaning they don't go to strip clubs even though they could afford to). The other new jobs are usually low paying retail / service jobs that, given the high NY cost of living, don't leave enough 'discretionary spending' money left over to go to strip clubs very often.

    The remaining 'middle class' club customers (outside of Manhattan/Long Island) who do have money to spend have realized that upstate NY dancers are under quite a bit of pressure to earn enough money in the upstate clubs to make ends meet, pay tuition etc. Thus the customers hold out for lots of contact. Some of the upstate NY dancers have also realized that providing the contact that the remaining 'middle class' customers are after means the difference between driving a decent car/ having tuition money saved ahead, versus borrowing money on the 1st of the month to pay rent and buy groceries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cinammonkisses
    Of course the economy has something to do with it? Think about it...hmm spend $40 and get 2 lapdances or spend that same $40 to fill your gas tank? There are so many people who can barely make ends meet, and the ones who can are counting their blessings. I cant' wait for 2008!!!
    Cinammonkisses is dead on target. With just about everything costing more because of record high oil prices ( and oil company profits) customers have to cut things somewhere. Considering that stripclubs and dances are not requirments for living (at least not to most men anyway,lol ) that is someplace where they can and do curb their spending.

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    2008! I hope Hillary runs, I so want to see a female President!
    Amen to that! Ofcourse the uber neocons will disagree but that is to be expected

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    ^^^ not to get off topic too far, but if Hilary's past and present policies (she's my senator !) were to be extended nationwide, what is very likely to happen is that the 'poor' will do better i.e. better social benefits, better health care, higher minimum wage etc. On the other hand, these benefits and programs must be paid for by raising taxes on the 'middle class' and on businesses. Keep in mind that the vast majority of strip club customers are 'middle class' businessmen or 'middle class' employees of businesses, and that very few strip club customers are 'poor', such that the consequences of Hilary's policies being implemented on a nationwide basis would very probably do further damage to strip club earnings potential.

    If you'd like concrete evidence of the Hilary effect on strip clubs, just ask any dancer who works in NY clubs outside of Manhattan / Long Island (where club economies are typically supported by the 'very rich' and not the 'middle class') what has happened to dancer earnings potential and/or mileage factor over the past 4 years since Hilary has been Senator from NY.

    Awesome point, I live in Michigan where the whole states economy is a disaster! I have come to terms that
    business isn't going to be anything like it should be. Michigan has one of the highest unemployment rates
    in the United States. The Automobile industry is in the toilet. They have outsourced most of the technical jobs I used to do to India,
    the reason I became a dancer.. Something has to change obviously but I can't fathom the solution. I am happy
    wiith the money I make because there isn't another job I could do that brings in the income I bring in, I make more
    money than my husband and most of my friends with professional jobs.
    What really frightens me is the idea of graduating from college and making less money
    than I am right now or not being able to find a job at all. But this really doesn't belong in this thread
    maybe someone could start a who would you vote for in 08 thread

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    I live in Michigan where the whole states economy is a disaster! I have come to terms that business isn't going to be anything like it should be. Michigan has one of the highest unemployment rates in the United States. The Automobile industry is in the toilet. They have outsourced most of the technical jobs I used to do to India
    ^^^ again I hate to get too far off topic, but the big auto layoffs in Michigan are a recent development in comparison to the 5-6 year time frame of New York. Also, a lot of the workers who are being laid off are getting very large cash settlements/buyouts. Thus to be blunt Michigan clubs and dancers haven't yet seen the overall effects of the hemorraging of 'middle class' jobs and workers that upstate New York has. Give it another 12-18 months, after the laid off workers have run through their severance / settlement pay, their unemployment benefits expire, they have sold off their non-essential assets (vacation homes, boats, 2nd cars) etc., and are basically out of 'extra cash' thus forced to either move out of state in search of better opportunities or significantly cut back on their standard of living (and strip club spending) as upstate NYers have been forced to do. At that point Michigan dancers should see major new reductions in club earnings potential, and major new pressure to deliver high contact in order to earn more than WalMart wages, as upstate NY dancers have seen over the past 2-3 years.

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    The economy is only a part of the equation.

    Think about this, when flat panel plasma style TV's first came out in the early 90's a modest sized TV (like 35") was selling for $30-40,000.00. There was only one or two companies on the planet making the things, and the idea was so new that the rich flocked to get one. Today you can get one for less that $2000.00. And the price keeps dropping because there are so many companies that are making these things, and the profit margins are so slim on flat panel TVs that the companies have to produce a BUNCH of them to even make it worth while.

    Same with Cell phones. Back in the late 80's just to buy a suitcase style phone was well over $1000.00 plus it was like $1.50 a minute to talk on and those things were awful!

    So think about how strip clubs have changed since the late 80's. There are a lot more clubs and a lot more dancers. But the crazy thing is that it has gotten a lot more expensive to visit a strip club since the late 80's. Guys don't just sit and tip $1's at the stage anymore and pay too much for watered down drinks. Now they are expected to tip at stage, buy dances, buy the crappy merchadise, spend hundreds of dollars an hour for champange room or VIP shows, spend thousands of dollars on Champange.

    Strip clubbing is now out of reach for Joe Average. Or only on rare occasions can Joe Average afford to go to strip clubs. The Median wage in the US is roughly $45,000.00 a year per hosuehold. 3 trips to the strip club could easily equal 10% of the average annual household income.

    It is no fun to get hassled by the dancers every 5 minutes because management is charging too high of house fees while over-scheduling. The stage shows are not the fun and flashy style that they once were, because most of the time it is not worth the energy to do a terrific stage show. The money is in heavy grind (or more), so this eliminates the "nice guy" customers who really want a decent stage show w/o pressure to buy lap dances that could lead to divorce court.

    Think about the cost of other kinds of entertainment that people regularly indulge in:
    *Concerts- about $75-100 per ticket for three hour concert
    *Theater-Broadway show runs about $110.00 a ticket
    *Golf- anywhere from $100-200 for your average public golf course
    *Professional Sporting events-For a single game ticket prices run anywhere from $10-135.00 in the regular season.

    Now think about if a customer only spent $100 for three hours in a strip club. Most dancers would be pissed off and feel stolen from. He has to pay $10-20 just to get in the door, another $10 (minimum) for his drink, if he get's hit up for the merchadise feature that is $40-50 right there. How about drink hustle and private dances? He probably doesn't have any money left after the first 20 minutes in the club!!

    If a customer is tipping, buying drinks and dances for several dancers throughout his 3 hour visit, he is likely to spend $900 or more in a single visit to the strip club. How many people can afford to do that on a weekly basis? Maybe 10% of the population can reasonably afford a weekly habit like that. Then you have to think that about 90% of the people who can afford to do that... Don't want to have anything to do with strip clubs.

    So realisticly, of the 300 million or so people, strippers are likely to only make decent money from 1% or 300,000.00 total customers that would qualify as being able to afford to spend gobs of time in strip clubs. Divide that number by 7 days a week, and you are looking at only 42,857 customers on any given day that can afford to be at the strip club on a weekly basis.

    42,857

    That is number of high roller customers in the US on any given day. There are at least 300,000 dancers working in the US on any given day. SO it stands to reason that most dancers reguardless of looks or talent are NOT going to make higher than average earnings after house fees and tip outs. I would be willing to bet that $45,000.00 a year would make many many dancers really happy.

    But it gets even worse! Strippers now have competition from the internet porn, from sororiety girls that give away lap dances at the local night clubs, escort services being highly available because of the internet, Hooters, regular bars putting their wait staff in skimpy costumes, wet t-shirt contests, events like Girls Gone Wild parties, at home party dancers as well as the traditional porn stores and magazines and videos.

    The strip club industry is commiting suicide! The bastards are too stubborn to change the way they do business, so much so that it will be their own demise!

    Then you have the "extras" problems in the clubs, causing the people to get disgusted by what goes on in these places and pushing laws to close down the clubs entirely.

    The economy is the least of the stripping industry's worries!
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    wow, thats a really depressing outlook but i think its very on target...

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    As a customer I have to agree with Paris. Too many options for my entertainment budget.

    I posted this info on another thread but I'll post it again:

    St . Louis had nothing but small locally owned bars with dancers around 1980. P.T.'s came to town and now they operate 5 SCs in the St. Louis area. There is also a Hustler Club plus several other locally owned SCs.

    In 1980 St. Louis did not have any casinos, now there are 5 plus 2 under construction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris
    So think about how strip clubs have changed since the late 80's. There are a lot more clubs and a lot more dancers. But the crazy thing is that it has gotten a lot more expensive to visit a strip club since the late 80's. Guys don't just sit and tip $1's at the stage anymore and pay too much for watered down drinks. Now they are expected to tip at stage, buy dances, buy the crappy merchadise, spend hundreds of dollars an hour for champange room or VIP shows, spend thousands of dollars on Champange.
    Part of the problem is that strip clubs have become too damned complicated and have oriented a large part of their business model towards a market demographic that has either disapeared or in many markets simply wasn't there in the first place. Yet clubs seem to just keep on building VIP and champagne rooms then can't figure out why that to a large degree these facilities are going unused. It's often because what the club is offering is priced out of most people's budgets can't afford or its some type of extravagance (or in the case of promo merchandise, outright stupidity) that most customers don't see any value in. To some extent, this even applies to plain vanilla private dances.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paris
    Strip clubbing is now out of reach for Joe Average. Or only on rare occasions can Joe Average afford to go to strip clubs. The Median wage in the US is roughly $45,000.00 a year per hosuehold. 3 trips to the strip club could easily equal 10% of the average annual household income.
    If my math is correct, that's assuming $1500 a visit. I'd say even when the economy was good, most Joe Average's weren't spending anywhere near that amount.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paris
    Now think about if a customer only spent $100 for three hours in a strip club. Most dancers would be pissed off and feel stolen from.
    Most gals around here would be grateful if customers were each dropping an average of $33/hour. The problem is that they aren't spending anywhere near that amount. My home club isn't exactly PEC, although I think its much more representative of the average situation in clubs. If I were to take a sample of customers there, I'd estimate that two out of three don't buy so much as a single lap dance or dancer drink, and many of those guys hardly ever tip the stage. Out of the one out of three who do buy those things, most probably keep such expenditures under $75 with most of it going to one girl. Effectively speaking, if you're droping $100+ per trip, you're probably in the top 10% spending wise. $200+ probably the top 3%.

    In many respects, its as if the customer base has gone back to the olden days of watching the stage shows (however uninspiring), and not wanting to get any more involved than that.

    Quote Originally Posted by rlams2000
    In 1980 St. Louis did not have any casinos, now there are 5 plus 2 under construction.
    Yep. Strip clubs in Topeka haven't been the same since casinos began popping up nearby in the late 90's. Also consider that most guys can take their wives, or entertain their relatives at the casino, not to mention they can enjoy a nice meal at cut rate prices and possibly walk out of the place with more money than they came in with.
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    If I remember my 6th grade Social Studies classes correctly, the US Senate doesn't have a whole lot to do with New York State taxes. Aren't those set by the Governor of NY (George Pataki-R), the State Senate (controlled by Joe Bruno-R) and the State Assembly (controlled by Sheldon Silver-D)
    Yes, but not in a 'vacuum' ... A. the state officials are elected by much he same group of people who vote for state senators, thus high taxes and nice benefits for the 'poor' is a common thread with the downstate NY majority. B. US Senators are tasked with 'bringing home the bacon' in terms of federal money/benefits, and the Hilary and Chuckie show have not managed to snag a single federal perk for NY manufacturers to try and prevent plant closings. They did however snag a federal accounting office with a few hundred public service jobs (who are under a directive not to patronize strip clubs), some federal money to subsidize windfarm speculators (none of which live in upstate NY), and some federal money to keep local union contractors busy for a couple of months improving the appearance of some dead downtowns, very little of which ever found its way to strip clubs.

    I would agree with the other posters that, like the casinos, the 'whales' in terms of strip club customers are to be found in Manhattan. Once you get upstate, it's rare to find a customer who is prepared to spend more than $200 during a night out in a strip club ... with the average being more like $100. If you subtract the cover charge and the drink minimum, and a little bit of stage tipping, this means the average upstate club customer isn't likely to spend more than $60 on lap dances. Given that the club is going to take half of this amount by one means or another, this translates into each customer walking through the club's front door translating into an average of 30 dollars worth of overall dancer earnings potential. This equation can lead to some rather depressing nights for dancers who aren't able to cash in on 'their share' of customers, for whatever reason.

    Part of the problem is that strip clubs have become too damned complicated and have oriented a large part of their business model towards a market demographic that has either disapeared or in many markets simply wasn't there in the first place. Yet clubs seem to just keep on building VIP and champagne rooms then can't figure out why that to a large degree these facilities are going unused.
    Exactly. Back to the upstate NY example, you can pick almost any of the 'big 6' upstate cities, analyze their demographics today vs 5 years ago, and some common threads emerge. At least one MAJOR union scale employer has been the subject of severe cutbacks and/or a plant closing. This vastly reduced the number of working guys with paychecks of sufficient magnitude to 'splurge' in strip clubs. It also reduced the number and/or profitability of the various distributors, suppliers, and service industries which formerly earned beaucoup bucks from the now defunct MAJOR union scale employer. End result is lots more penny-pinching, and much lower levels of strip club spending.

    Many college graduate age young residents have decided that in order to pursue a successful career they need to move to another area of the country where business conditions are better, better job opportunities are available, and taxes are lower. Thus upstate NY population has not only declined in general but has specifically declined among the 'bachelor party' age group which typically made up a significant portion of strip club customers in the past.

    Even those upstate NYers who persist in living/working in the area who have managed to hang onto a 'decent paying' job are having trouble hanging onto their paychecks. Local property taxes and sales taxes are up, heating bills and gasoline are up, insurance/medical/tuitions are up etc. All of these increases in the cost of 'necessities' diverts available money away from 'discretionary spending' in strip clubs and elsewhere.

    Finally, most of the 'big 6' upstate NY cities have tried to pass anti-dance club ordinances in one form or another as a means of reducing high contact. The existance of these ordinances, and the end result of creating virtually the same legal penalty for a dancer who is busted for an ordinance violation as if the dancer was busted for giving a HJ or BJ has ... surprise, surprise ... prompted some dancers to start giving HJ's and BJ's in order to attract a larger share of business from remaining customers (as well as extracting more spending per customer). This of course makes matters even worse for 'clean' dancers, who are now figuring out why they only got half as many private dances as girl X got even though ostensibly they are hotter/prettier/in better shape/more sociable etc.

    In the 'big 6' city near where I live, there is a certain strip club which prided itself on being the most 'upscale' club in the city. 5 years ago this club rocked - attracting a major share of local businessmen, upscale college guys, etc. The club was a 'class act' with themed private dance rooms, classy furnishings and sound system etc. The club tended to attract some of the hottest girls because the earnings potential was good, thus attracting more upscale customers, thus making earnings potential even better. However, today, this club has lost most if not all of its hot dancers (most of which left upstate NY altogether for the greener pastures of NYC, NJ etc.), has cut back its operating hours, and is in danger of going 'belly up' as property taxes and utility bills for the club keep rising while customer spending keeps falling. This is specific evidence that the original 'business model' that this club and similar upscale clubs were formed around no longer exists in todays upstate NY economy. The clubs that are still earning decent money in this 'big 6' city today are IMHO dark, shabby holes - with their primary attribute for attracting customers being extremely low levels of private dance room security !

    And to top it all off, upstate NY has a bright shiny casino within view of the local Interstate Highway exit, plus an abundance of 'private dancers/escorts' in every upstate 'big 6' city ! Given that local zoning laws have for the most part kept upstate strip clubs confined to 'sleazy' crime-ridden parts of cities, for a travelling businessman the idea of spending a night at the casino/hotel with a 'private dancer' appears to be a safer, surer bet !
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    The economy is only a part of the equation.
    Paris - you go girl! I couldn't agree more!

    Whilst Australia suffers some of the same problems as America there is one huge difference: prostitution is perfectly legal here so girls can easily operate as independant escorts within a brothel or agency and/or within a residence (for themselves).

    I agree that some strip clubs are aimed at the wrong demographic or a vastly disappearing demographic. Plus they have lost their "shine" imo.

    Thus the reason I'm looking into burlesque as I feel if I expand myself into that part of the adult entertainment industry I will have a greater chance to earn an income due to the fact that alot of burlesque can be performed at nightclubs etc easily (due to the fact that burly-q performers generally wear tassels/pasties and only go down to a GString more often than not... and can even sometimes strip down to a bikini)....

    Ooo! I forgot to mention that guys can easily get more "bang for their buck" by booking a private party dancer to do a xxx show. If a group of 5 guys book one girl for a xxx toy show that will cost them $40 per guy... and since it will be done at a private residence/home they can buy alcohol on the cheap (as such) from the bottle-shop... and end up spending less per guy than if they went out to a strip club.

    Another reason I expanded into private party dancing and am not sticking to just strip clubs.

    Just trying to make sure I diversify enough to keep my income some-what consistant over the course of a year.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris
    The economy is only a part of the equation.

    Think about this, when flat panel plasma style TV's first came out in the early 90's a modest sized TV (like 35") was selling for $30-40,000.00. There was only one or two companies on the planet making the things, and the idea was so new that the rich flocked to get one. Today you can get one for less that $2000.00. And the price keeps dropping because there are so many companies that are making these things, and the profit margins are so slim on flat panel TVs that the companies have to produce a BUNCH of them to even make it worth while.

    The strip club industry is commiting suicide! The bastards are too stubborn to change the way they do business, so much so that it will be their own demise!

    Then you have the "extras" problems in the clubs, causing the people to get disgusted by what goes on in these places and pushing laws to close down the clubs entirely.

    The economy is the least of the stripping industry's worries!
    If club owners would pay attention and copy this marketing decision they would have a lot more competing and attraction muscle.

    More competition usually = more value for consumers in any other market. Then they fail to weigh hard on LTCV/ life time customer value and think short term/now in this aspect of their business.

    Their not aligned with nor understand the law of reciprocation. They don't understand viral free word of mouth marketing. Like minded custys are talking to potential like minded custys.

    What are they saying and do you understand you make them say what they say? Why don't clubs take this more serious?
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    Paris, you gave a GREAT theory. You are right on target.

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    Yeah, Paris, you're dead on. Now that I've seen people dropping hundreds and thousands of dollars in the casinos I know the economy isn't our problem. The outdated business model is. Managers would have to bring the 'shine' back. You can't put any ol' chick on stage or worse--a flock of them and expect mediocrity to keep 'em coming back. You can't skimp on advertising and expect the interest to stay the same.

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    That is one thing I don't get why don't club's market like casino's? I hear a casino add every 45 minutes on the radio but
    never an advertisement for a club.

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    thats why its so important to have your education right now...... dancing is not forever... some girls just don't realize it....

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    Now that I've seen people dropping hundreds and thousands of dollars in the casinos I know the economy isn't our problem.
    Again, this is 'half' true. There are indeed 'whales' who drop tons of money in the casinos. But there are also 1000 times as many people playing dollar slots and $5 poker. In general, all casinos cater to the entire spectrum of gamblers. However, where strip clubs are concerned, there is no equivalent of a casino business model. There is no way for the vast majority of clubs to accomodate both the 'whales' and the $100 players and the $5 players. What happens instead is that in the handful of areas where strip club 'whales' can be found in good numbers, i.e. Manhattan or Vegas to pick a couple of examples, some clubs cater to the 'whales' via multi-million dollar facilities and the 'best of the best' dancers. However in the vast majority of areas, the clubs can't afford to make the investment in facilities or in retaining dancers to attract the small handful of 'whales' that might exist in that area, and instead cater to the $100 players so to speak. Less upscale clubs in NY and Vegas also cater to the $100 players. And no clubs cater to $5 players so to speak, because there simply isn't enough earnings potential available to retain dancers thus make such an operation economically viable.

    The real problem is that the 'middle class' customers i.e. the $100 players are being hard pressed by today's economy. As their costs of 'necessary' items increases, their 'disposable income' decreases. This doesn't affect the super-upscale clubs, but it certainly is taking a toll on average clubs.

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    Even if SC marketed like the Casino's did, they still wouldn't even come close to attracting enough clientel. I worked in the Casino industry for 7 years, and it is mind boggling to see the money that people litterly "blew" in one shot. Even with our shitty economy, people would rather drop $1500 into a slot machine or gaming table to try and win big, than to drop even half that amount into one of our garters in a night! People think of the potential "payoff" when entering a Casino, there is no real bang for their buck in a SC. But the reality is, no matter whether they are in the Casino or the SC, they are going home broke!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KamrynAnne
    thats why its so important to have your education right now...... dancing is not forever... some girls just don't realize it....
    I couldn't agree with you more, it's funny most customers don't believe you when you say "i'm going to college."
    I have found dancing is the most flexable job to have while in college. What other job will allow you to not
    go to work when you have a paper due or you're in the middle of exams

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    Again, this is 'half' true. There are indeed 'whales' who drop tons of money in the casinos. But there are also 1000 times as many people playing dollar slots and $5 poker. In general, all casinos cater to the entire spectrum of gamblers. However, where strip clubs are concerned, there is no equivalent of a casino business model. There is no way for the vast majority of clubs to accomodate both the 'whales' and the $100 players and the $5 players. What happens instead is that in the handful of areas where strip club 'whales' can be found in good numbers, i.e. Manhattan or Vegas to pick a couple of examples, some clubs cater to the 'whales' via multi-million dollar facilities and the 'best of the best' dancers. However in the vast majority of areas, the clubs can't afford to make the investment in facilities or in retaining dancers to attract the small handful of 'whales' that might exist in that area, and instead cater to the $100 players so to speak. Less upscale clubs in NY and Vegas also cater to the $100 players. And no clubs cater to $5 players so to speak, because there simply isn't enough earnings potential available to retain dancers thus make such an operation economically viable.

    The real problem is that the 'middle class' customers i.e. the $100 players are being hard pressed by today's economy. As their costs of 'necessary' items increases, their 'disposable income' decreases. This doesn't affect the super-upscale clubs, but it certainly is taking a toll on average clubs.

    Try penny and nickel slots.. I'm am so cheap when I go to the casino.. and I know I would be insulted if
    someone dropped a roll of pennies or nickels on stage while I was dancing (laugh)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinupgurl2k6
    That is one thing I don't get why don't club's market like casino's? I hear a casino add every 45 minutes on the radio but
    never an advertisement for a club.
    In a number of states and localities, laws have restricted SOB's from advertising on certain mediums. My state recently passed a law restricting any SOB (which not only includes strip clubs but adult bookstores and novelty shops) to two outdoor signs, one of which must state that the establishment is an adult business and minors aren't allowed inside. The other sign, which can only state the business name and a few other details like operating hours, can't be more than 40 square feet. A lot of clubs here are going to have to take any billboard they have down and get new smaller signs. I know at least two neighboring states with similar laws in effect.

    I've never heard of a radio ad restriction, but it wouldn't surprise me if some place had one.

    As far as any comparision between strip clubs and casinos as far as entertainment, you have to remember that in terms of market potential casinos have a much bigger draw for two simple reasons:

    1. Gambling is a form of entertainment marketed towards both genders, whereas SC's are effectively relegated to marketing towards men. Because of this, if a particular man is entertaining a group of people, and there is a female amongst that group, a trip to the SC is most likely out.
    2. Smaller budgeted customers have options available for them at the casino, although in many cases they cannot afford table game minimums, so they're relegated to playing slot machines, particularly the smaller denomination ones which just so happen to have the highest house edge. At the strip club, such people cannot afford single lap dances let alone trips to the VIP room.
    Former SCJ now in rehab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish
    In a number of states and localities, laws have restricted SOB's from advertising on certain mediums. My state recently passed a law restricting any SOB (which not only includes strip clubs but adult bookstores and novelty shops) to two outdoor signs, one of which must state that the establishment is an adult business and minors aren't allowed inside. The other sign, which can only state the business name and a few other details like operating hours, can't be more than 40 square feet. A lot of clubs here are going to have to take any billboard they have down and get new smaller signs. I know at least two neighboring states with similar laws in effect.
    That sounds like a freedom of speech issue.

    I've never heard of a radio ad restriction, but it wouldn't surprise me if some place had one.
    Or radio company policy based. "If you don't own the presses..."

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