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    As an employee of the adult industry for my entire adult life and as someone who thoroughly enjoys this industry (and hopes to be able to frequent these fine clubs long after I retire):

    Ladies once you have performed sex for money you can never undo the fact that you were once a prostitute even if you live the rest of your life in a convent. You are a prostitute - the very same thing as the street walker you call a hooker. Imagine spending your golden years in your front porch rocking chair with your angelic grandchildren playing on your lap you will not be able to deny that you were a prostitute. That's some dirty shit.

    I say this for 3 reasons:

    1. This problem is affecting everyone in the industry especially the people who are not participating.

    2. At the rate the industry is going, we are going to wear out our welcome with local jurisdictions and I will likely not be able to frequent strip clubs after I retire (that will be a very sad day).

    3. In my 16 years in this industry: hands down the girls who have consistantly made the most money are the ones who are NOT selling sex. Especially these days when I hear story after story of men paying as little as $100 to fuck a girl for an entire hour in VIP. Selling sex is clearly not mandatory for making money therefore you cannot give me some argument "you don't understand my situation I have to feed my children blah blah blah" get some dignity.


    Speaking of understanding your situation here is a tidbit for you: We have all experienced hardships. Many of us have battled substance abuse and most of us have had really shitty things happen to us when we were kids, welcome to life. A very wise man once said, "In life we are not judged by our successes, we are judged by how we deal with our failures"


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    Well said...Thanks for this post Evan

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    *clap*

    /sarcasm
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    I did not care for your rant. You must be well aware that dancers are often persecuted/ prosecuted unjustly (in time for local elections or in response to civic "clean-ups.") YES women engaging in law-breaking in the club environment should be fired but it is up to the managers to earn their ill-gotten lucre & f*cking STOP extras when they see them...or are they just relying on female cattiness to ferret out "extras" girls???.....I think we can guess.
    PS Some of the women in The Smoking Gun slideshow were arrested for selling alcohol to minors, and *kudos* to the girl who was giving 2 big middle fingers to the camera.
    EDIT: Oh I see that you are a man. It amazes me that men use less words per day than women, but the ones they chose to use are usually all wrong. Go back to the blue side.

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    I don't like your rant either. There is nothing wrong with prostitution in the correct place with a brothel or private agency involved. I don't think you should've attacked prostitutes.


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    1) A lot of the girls in that line up post were there for exposure and/or alcohol violations, neither of which is prostitution....

    2) Damn there are some FUH-GLEEEE women being hired to dance these days.

    3) WTF is up with the ones smiling like they just won the lottery?


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    ........Imagine spending your golden years in your front porch rocking chair with your angelic grandchildren playing on your lap you will not be able to deny that you were a prostitute. That's some dirty shit.........
    Unfortunately for you, it is perfectly okay and legal to do here in Australia.

    Quote Originally Posted by lilithmorrigan
    I don't like your rant either. There is nothing wrong with prostitution in the correct place with a brothel or private agency involved. I don't think you should've attacked prostitutes.
    ^^ I also concur! You also forget about the professional freelance/independant escorts (or sex workers). There is nothing "dirty" about being a prostitute!

    Yes, I cannot prostitute myself in that way however even if I did do it once... I would never be ashamed of it.

    BTW, children are NOT angelic! Any parent will tell you that


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    Your dick is probably 2 inches long. Go look at porn or something. Your judgmental and condescending "advice" is not welcome here.

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    Rawr

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    Jeez, guys, call off your dogs. I think it's a great post. There's a world of difference between legal, safe, responsible prostitution versus turning tricks for peanuts in a strip club. I think point #2 is especially noteworthy - the extras girls and cheap hookers are ruining it for all of us by bringing in LE and inviting "family-friendly" city ordinances designed to put us out of business, clean girls and all.

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    <QUOTE> Speaking of understanding your situation here is a tidbit for you: We have all experienced hardships. Many of us have battled substance abuse and most of us have had really shitty things happen to us when we were kids, welcome to life. A very wise man once said, "In life we are not judged by our successes, we are judged by how we deal with our failures" </QUOTE>

    He's just perpetuating his own idea that strippers are drug addicts or abused as children to make his point that he "understands [our] situation." I'm too smart for this shit.

    I also take offense at this statement:
    <QUOTE> Ladies once you have performed sex for money you can never undo the fact that you were once a prostitute even if you live the rest of your life in a convent. You are a prostitute - the very same thing as the street walker you call a hooker. Imagine spending your golden years in your front porch rocking chair with your angelic grandchildren playing on your lap you will not be able to deny that you were a prostitute. That's some dirty shit. </QUOTE>

    That's really judgmental and stupid. That's like saying if you experimented with someone of the same sex once, you are gay and you will always be gay. And what's with the "dirty shit" comment? Stripping is totally wholesome and worthy of cute tales to tell your grandchildren? Stripping is OK, but sex for money is "dirty shit?" That's retarded logic.

    As a stripper, I don't think that it's right to look down on other sex workers. Yeah, maybe it's one thing to look down on strippers who break the rules of a club and make things more difficult for other "clean" girls, but to say that prostitutes are just dirty is just your opinion.

    Also, a lot of the girls - like the ones on the smoking gun web site - who are arrested for prostitution in a strip club are not exactly having sex for money. As Melonie has pointed out numerous times, there are different definitions of prostitution in different places. In some places, just touching can be considered prostitution.

    Finally, the fact that you're a dude and posting in Stripping General is feeble-minded.
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    Oops double post.

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    as much as you may not agree with what "evan" is saying here,
    he does have one point : the strip club is not a place for prostitution.
    (and by prostitution, i mean sex for money, whatever the amount may be.
    and by sex i mean any type of penetration/release.)

    i don't care what your excuses are either, and unfortunately, maybe
    it's just where i've worked, but some of those stereotypical excuses
    are ones that i've actually heard used by girls who turn tricks in
    said clubs.

    i went back to the club i used to work at last year for one night this past week.
    dont ask me why! when i worked there before i watched another dancer
    get fingered at the bar for $200. and that was right after she was
    preaching to another dancer and myself about how she could never
    work at the fully nude club in our city (the one we were at was
    a pasties club) because "that was special," "that was something
    she saved for her man." i was beyond disgusted.
    the club has only gotten worse since.
    but i digress.. .

    i have no problem with prostitution. if you're okay with it, and you're
    going about it the right way and getting the amount of money you
    should be getting for what youre doing (and no, $200 is not enough!
    jeez.. .) good for you. but stripper's aren't prostitutes!
    girls going the extra mile in clubs are in the wrong
    business and ruining it for the rest of us!

    >:[
    and i only call you darling 'cause i know how much you hate it
    and darling, some habits are so very hard to break --
    think condescension is sexy?
    well, that's your mistake to make.


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    I totally agree with you thin lizzy. I have seen some effed up shit, too.

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    Isn't that shit old anyway? I mean, I could swear I saw that girl with the missing eye's picture b4! Why is this being drudged up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thin lizzy
    i have no problem with prostitution... but stripper's aren't prostitutes!
    girls going the extra mile in clubs are in the wrong
    business and ruining it for the rest of us!
    Yep!

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    Yeah, whereas I dont have a qualm with prostitution, there is a time and place for it, and it does no good to the non-tricking dancers in SCs. But the original post was a little half here, half there when it comes to that topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustJayda
    Isn't that shit old anyway? I mean, I could swear I saw that girl with the missing eye's picture b4! Why is this being drudged up?
    I could have sworn I saw the girl flippin' off the camera before too.

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    They were some of the girls that were busted in FL a while back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinup Girl
    They were some of the girls that were busted in FL a while back.
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    So why are they putting it up like it's new, they labeled it with "June 30"? I guess no one wants to let these things go?

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    I probably should have put more thought into my post before I submitted it. It isn't the first time I've spouted off being hot-headed. I'm just pissed about what is happening to the stripclubs in this area. Prostitution (which is completely illegal in stripclubs here <--read that "Not Legal") is rampant and is making it more and more difficult for girls who abide by the rules to make any money at all. Not to mention that the city and state here are now fighting back by damn near closing half the clubs in the city at the rate the local government is going.

    It doesn't sound like it after re-reading my first post but I have friends who work in and run brothels, in Nevada where it is perfectly legal. They don't try to sneak into strip clubs and deliberately break the rules of the club. They certainly don't charge chump-change for their services.

    Seriously the girls breaking the law by offering prostitution at clubs here in Atlanta are having unprotected sex for as little as $100 per hour. I have heard it from the guys who have paid it and have heard it from girls who have charged it. I wouldn't be suprised if they charged even less at some clubs around town. It seems to me that if you are going to do it for money then you might want to do it in a regulated arena where you can get considerably more money for it to begin with but that would make too much sense...

    We don't sneak into restaurants to sell bootleg food and we don't sneak into department stores to sell bootleg merchandise. How about staying out of our clubs?

    I know, boy do I know that management is just as much at fault as the girls breaking the law believe me. Don't get me started on club management we will be here all night.

    I sincerely wish I had an answer to the situation but I don't and as optimistic as I usually am I really don't foresee any positive solution right now. I will be very sad (seriously) if the great clubs of Atlanta get shut down. Maybe pressure from the law which is already increasing dramatically will be enough to wake the managers up.

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    "Imagine spending your golden years in your front porch rocking chair with your angelic grandchildren playing on your lap you will not be able to deny that you were a prostitute."

    This scenario would only be difficult to deal with if this figurative woman attatches such a stigma to the word 'prostitute' as you clearly have.

    But hopefully, such a person who made a mistake once and only once, would be smarter than that, and wouldnt be dealing with the fact that she was a "PROSTITUTE", but rather that she had sex for money once.

    Furthermore, I have no doubt that she would 'forgive' herself, because by the time she had lived her life, she would be wise enough to know that such a thing, with all of the evil in this world, actually turned out to be rather insignificant- funny, since you paint a picture of this big, looming deep dark secret that would follow a woman around for a lifetime.

    Also, a woman at the end of her years would certainly know that one such act, in fact almost any one act, does not have the power to define a person (unless of course you let it).

    With your statement, you are basically conveying your sentiment that the label of 'Prostitute' is more devestating to deal with than the act of selling sex itself.

    For one thing, it is assinine to stigmatise a label more than the action it actually stands for.

    I also find your knee-jerk reaction to the word 'Prostitute' painfully apparent in your transparent juxtaposition of the 'sweet old lady' and 'angelic grandchildren' with the 'dirty word' prostitute.

    I would hope that the 'shock value' of this word wouldnt confuse any thinking person into swallowing that shit.

    Perhaps it would deter would-be prostitutes if selling sex were punishable by the permanent affixing of a scarlet 'P' to their chests?

    Forgive me if this post is confusing, I'm having trouble making my thoughts coherent tonight. To put it simply, from this post I can only gather that the poster needs to grow up.

    --For the record, I do not in any way condone prostitution inside the club. There is so much that is wrong with prostituting out of a strip club, but this goes without saying.

    ---Also, though I myself am a dancer, not a prostitute, I do not condemn the terms of sex between two capable, consenting adults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinup Girl
    Your dick is probably 2 inches long..

    And excellent deductive reasoning there Aristotle

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    I agree with most everybody about prostitution being A-OK. It's an ancient profession. What's not ok is girls soliciting within the club. Silly wabbits! Tricks are for Tricks! -Not Dancers.
    Not sure why anyone would assume he was referring to substance abuse in relation to all strippers. What he was relating us to was every other person in the world and their hardships. Everyone's had their share of drama in their lives...don't bring it to the club. No one's got a perfect life, except for maybe Bill Gates..or Paris Hilton *bitch*-haha.
    Sounds like he's just had a bad day. Need a tampon Evan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thin lizzy
    as much as you may not agree with what "evan" is saying here, he does have one point : the strip club is not a place for prostitution.
    (and by prostitution, i mean sex for money, whatever the amount may be.
    and by sex i mean any type of penetration/release.)
    Not necessarily. Prostitution in my state would not have to involve penetration, but rather, a passing brush of sexual contact through the pants during a lapdance. Therefore, many dancers could be charged with it during any given performance.

    My point being, yeah, I agree that dancers should stay within certain boundaries that are customary for the club; I've often argued that. But let's please simultaneously acknowledge that law enforcement can pretty much get away with exaggerating what happened in order to make a case against a stripper. Some of those charges were listed as "lewdness." How subjective might that be? Those women aren't necessarily guilty merely because they've been accused, and I bet many of the charges will be dismissed or reduced. Therefore, I don't think it's right to use them as examples. Besides, it's wasn't necessary for xEvanx to point them out to make the underlying point.

    -Ev

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