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    Quote Originally Posted by showmethemoney
    Sounds like he's just had a bad day. Need a tampon Evan?
    Super-absorbant please it's a bad one this month


    After re-reading my first post... I resorted to the most pathetic debate tactic in history, name calling good lord that is embarassing

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    you misunderstood me, evan_e.
    i was referring to *my* definition of "prostitution,"
    and i understand that laws have all different definitions,
    but my point was there's a little difference between a little
    bump n' grind and a little whip it n' stick it, naameeen?
    and i only call you darling 'cause i know how much you hate it
    and darling, some habits are so very hard to break --
    think condescension is sexy?
    well, that's your mistake to make.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thin lizzy
    you misunderstood me, evan_e.
    i was referring to *my* definition of "prostitution,"
    and i understand that laws have all different definitions,
    but my point was there's a little difference between a little
    bump n' grind and a little whip it n' stick it, naameeen?
    I understand, but let me play devil's advocate for a moment for the sake of exploring this issue. If we're not going to use the legal definition of prostitution to draw the boundaries, reign in abuses and hold fast to, I don't see how using some personal definition will: 1) keep us from being arrested, and 2) establish boundaries that will remain constant and not be loosened further over time.

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    i'm not talking about getting arrested,
    but that was only because i didn't even
    notice the link evan posted until after i
    first replied & then read other replies &
    looked at his post again and went Oooh.
    (i'm kinda sleepy) ;p

    i see your point and
    i guess i just feel secure enough knowing
    how i, myself, dance as oppossed to a lot of
    other girls in my club and with that being said,
    i doubt i'd be the first arrested. and if i were,
    i'd deal with it when it happened.

    as far as boundaries & the loosening of
    them even further over time, boundaries
    *have* been established. there are different
    rules for every club and different laws in different places,
    just as you pointed out. these rules & laws should be
    run by dancers when they start dancing. they
    were for me. i hope every one else has that
    same benefit.

    my bottom line is this:
    the rest is up to the girls who work in
    the clubs, and that was what i was getting at.

    trust me, i don't think what
    the law in your state counts as "prostitution"
    makes sense at all, but girls where you dance are
    probably aware of the law (i would hope)
    and it is then their personal choice to abide
    by it, get a little closer & give light contact
    during dances, knowing the chance they
    are be taking, or go what i consider to be
    "too far," as i described before.
    and i only call you darling 'cause i know how much you hate it
    and darling, some habits are so very hard to break --
    think condescension is sexy?
    well, that's your mistake to make.


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    Quote Originally Posted by showmethemoney
    Not sure why anyone would assume he was referring to substance abuse in relation to all strippers.
    I was heated when I made that first post but I'm not going to edit it, I can take my medicine. That post reads very broadly.

    I always hear the same excuses from girls when they get busted turning tricks in the club, "you don't understand what I've been through... I have had a rough life... you don't know me... I can't help it I've had a terrible childhood... ". I say So What!, so have probably 3/4 of the emotionally healthy girls I know who don't lie and jeopardize the careers of everyone else in the club.

    Next comes the obvious... why not just go work at a brothel or escort service? This one baffles me. I always wonder if girls don't think it's prostitution if it's inside a club where it's illegal... I dunno. My "Just call yourself a prostitute" charge is only calling out the hypocrites and not judging the profession itself let's get that straightened out. It always seems so goofy to me that girls would be chained to a schedule they hate, skip work then have to pay fines, and then sell sex at work for a fraction of what escorts charge.

    Just go to work at an escort service set your own hours, use their protection and security standards, charge 3 times what you are getting now, no worrying about getting caught by managers and bouncers, and no worrying about getting your hair pulled out by another dancer in the dressing room. Hello is this thing on?

    The hypocrites. The real kick in the teeth is that most of the time it turns out that the most judgemental high-and-righteous girls are the ones who get caught turning tricks in the club. Next to people who don't stand by their word, I dislike hypocrites almost as much. The girls who get caught here are alway the ones who are the most outspoken about prostitution, who sling accusations of prostitution at the other girls nightly. They have nothing but horrible shit to say about prostitution as a proffession and that always comes across as so ridiculously ironic to us.

    Anyway...

    Seeing those mugshots was nothing new for me but I just now noticed the girls smiling and cutting up like it was nothing. That shit got to me since the things they do puts my job in jeopardy. Besides the fact that I would like to continue visiting stripclubs down the road... If my club gets shut down permanently I can't just be-bop across town and get another job tonight like a dancer. I have to pound the pavement, spend my savings, possible sell some things, brown-nose, schmooze, beg, plead, sell some more things, jump up and down, run a 10k marathon in under 50 minutes, then learn to speak fluent Japanese just to get an audition...



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    Evan - don't be so hard on the extras girls. They serve a niche in the sc market.

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    ^^^^^^There's your problem ladies.

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    This is why customers do NOT belong in "Stripping General"

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    How about having to tell your 'sweet angelic grandchildren' that you were a druggie(does that label seem any better or 'cleaner' than the other (?))....This is in reference to your..'a lot of people have had problems with drug abuse' (loosely citing your first post). So it's okay if drug users had problems in the past but another person doing another questionable action becomes ______ for life? I'm sure the drug users had 'excuses' too, right? Why didnt they just do them where they are legal? (Do you see the parallel here?) Would anyone up and tell their younger family members about them being 'a drug user' because they smoked pot/snorted coke/did heroine "once" or perhaps even more than once? I just found that a particularly poor argument while bashing one vice you admit that a large number of people may or may not have also had a problem with another (substance abuse). I am in total agreement with Harlequin's post as well as with the notion of keeping prostitution OUT of the clubs (defining it in terms of actions which violate established laws of said county/city). I'd say most of us here agree and that you are preaching to the choir!
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    If you murder someone, you are a murderer.
    If you rape someone, you are a rapist.
    If you molest a child, you are a pedophile.

    If you turn a trick (or a few), you're not a prostitute with a capital P for life.

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    Exactly. Just because you've tried pot once, doesn't make you a pothead.

    Just because you got arrested for prostitution once, doesn't make you a hooker. These days, even SAYING the wrong thing can get you booked for prostitution. So saying that makes you a prostitute for getting busted ONCE is bullshit.

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    Nashville doesn't have clear laws as to what is prostitution is, well at least to me they don't. The city is still playing in lawsuit land, so in my opinion I don't even know what I can and cannot do. I actually went to the inspector for all the clubs in Nashville, and HE didn't know how to answer my questions. He told me to wait about a week and come back.

    If I don't know what is technically prostitution, I sure as hell will not go to jail because I have too much skin showing in my booty shorts. It's shit like this that gets girls in trouble.

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    DJ Evan main point seems to be inspired by the possible jeopardy these girls put his job in.

    However, trying to get the 'extra' girls to embrace/accept your line of thinking is not going to happen although some of it I agree with and some of it I don't.

    These girls are just doing what they know and from their piss poor results it's obvious that they were taught wrong.

    But they don't know this yet. That's why they work ten times harder to make ten times less than what they could be making.

    If you really want to get rid of them then be more friendly and let them know that they could be making more.

    Go about it any other way and you'll just be added to their people to avoid list.

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    Well, here's some news for you. I guess I'm a prostitute. *rolls eyes* I've never done anything in the club. But I'm sure some of the stuff I've done could be classified as...
    Wait, I'm a gay prostitute. is that like, a double strike?
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    *dies laughing*

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    The typical grinding lapdance would be considered an act of prostitution in the eyes of the law in a tremendously large proportion of the USA, which technically makes most dancers prostitutes in the eyes of old ladies, cops, DAs, judges, and other hung-up, judgemental people everywhere...

    Incidentally, it also makes stripclub DJs (such as X Evan X and myself) pimps. This is not a word I find flattering, all the bullshit MTV media hype currently attached to the word notwithstanding.

    Actually, considering what goes on in my club every night, all night--especially if Lola, the 53 year old Asian hooker is there--I'm a pimp in anyone's eyes, in the fullest meaning of the word.

    I suppose that once a pimp, always a pimp. So I guess I will have fun telling my grandkids, the monstrous little angels, about gramps' glorious days of pimpin'...

    The problem is in the criminalization of the industry, which makes what most of us consider acts of prostitution--HJs, BJs, and actual fucking (all of which occur on a regular basis in my club)--no worse than giving a lapdance, in the eyes of the law.

    This is very bad...

    It makes it very, very difficult for the women who don't want to give up extras to deal with the pressure and the insulting behavior of customers who are accustomed to getting them. The burnout rate is high, and the empathy of dancers for customers is reduced to extremely low levels.

    Personally, I would love nothing better than to see the focus of strip clubs return to the stage, and entirely away from lapdancing--but it's too late for that now in most parts of the country--except for the occasional burlesque revival and a few gown clubs. Grind on most guys dicks, they're going to consider it a sexual act (regardless of what the dancer feels about it), and a whole lot of them are going to want more, and a whole lot of them are going to act like assholes about it. It's inevitable...

    Personally, I have absolutely nothing against prostitution whatsoever--outside the clubs where it needs to stay, and I think it should be legalized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thin lizzy
    my bottom line is this:
    the rest is up to the girls who work in
    the clubs, and that was what i was getting at.
    Thanks for the response, TL. I believe we're basically in agreement, even if I'm overanalyzing the specifics. Lines need to be drawn and everyone needs to be on the same page within the same establishment. I contend that's not a moral indictment of those who would cross the lines; rather, that's a business model targeting a certain customer segment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdogg247
    (DJ) Evan - don't be so hard on the extras girls. They serve a niche in the sc market.
    I think the underlying point is that they're in the wrong place at the wrong time serving in the wrong manner. Let that niche get its own venue. That would make for happier dancers and customers alike.

    -Ev

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdogg247
    Evan - don't be so hard on the extras girls. They serve a niche in the sc market.
    No they dont. They serve a niche called prostitution. Go somewhere where brothels and hooking is legal if that's what you wanna do! I am a dancer because I want to dance. I dont hang out around people fucking, I dont want to be around it at work either. Jeez. Its illegal (at least where I am) to give a blow job at any of my jobs, and I really dont want to see it at any of my jobs... or at anyone else's jobs... when I want to see that, I'll go rent a porno. Thanks. When hooking becomes Green Light Go where I live, I will totally thumbs up at any brothels that open. Groovy for them! I dont want to work in one, however, and I dont want where I work to become one.
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    I kind of get the jist, SC are no place for sex acts/prostitution or otherwise but i dont agree with you venting and judging prostitutes. My 2cents
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    Quote Originally Posted by kdogg247
    Evan - don't be so hard on the extras girls. They serve a niche in the sc market.

    OMG....... Please tell me you just did not say that! You are the reason my money is decreasing. You think Evan's rant was bad. Don't get me started.

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    Why is everyone ignoring the elephant in the room? Do you think anyone wants to be an extras girl or prostitute?

    I just have to say that if dancers could earn $300+ regularly doing just air dances, don't you think that the majority would do just that?

    The elephant that everyone is ignoring is the copropoate practices of the clubs that are allowing the extra's to go on in the first place.

    things that clubs do today that allow prostitutes to exist within their walls:
    1. Greed- the clubs are getting their cut of the extras in the form of VIP fees and house fees and tip outs to bouncers and managers. If there was really no money in extras then why is everyone doing it??
    ^^Read that sentence again.

    2. New dancers are being sold a false bill of goods. Management will regularly tell prospective dancers "how much" their dancers make. And, of course, none of those girls are doing anything but *talking* to the customers for their $1000 (allegedly) a night.

    3. Owners use the managers to push some dancers into extras. A dancer complains to management that girls are breaking the rules, and management's response is more likely than not "if you can't beat them, join them".

    4. Dancer complains to management about the customers asking for extras, and how does management reply?? Usually it is something along the lines "what do you want me to do about it??"
    *My answer is "Find customers that don't want extras!!" Sheesh! Isn't that why we pay house fees? To off-set the cost of advertizing?

    5. Training!! My training consisted of; "there's the stage, when the DJ calls you to stage you dance to two songs. Be topless by the end of your first song and nude by the end of you second song. Good luck!"
    *I know it's not rocket science, people... But a little more information would be helpful. Even workers at McDonald's get a couple of days of training before they are expected to work on their own.

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    i agree with the people that disagree with you...

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    This reply is in no way directed to Evan. You have already explained yourself well and I fully understand your reasoning and how you felt at the time when you wrote the post. I would like to give some input about sex and clubs in Atlanta.

    There are more than a few clubs in Atlanta where men can go and receive "discounted" sexual services. I know of at least 4 clubs for sure. I used the word discounted because the charges for the services range from $20-$80. The numerous escort services here charge quite a bit more. At one particular club here in Atlanta, the dancers walk around saying "Georgia Dome Twenty Dollars." The statement is an advertisement for oral sex for $20. These places make it so easy for men to have sex. Sex in clubs seems to be rampant here. It is a very real problem and I am considering relocating to North Carolina to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coco222
    "Georgia Dome Twenty Dollars."
    Now that's bad!

    It must be a garbage riddled hole in the wall club!

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