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    (COCO) i would really like it if in the futuer you dont offened me by calling me a racist. if for any reason you dislike my post/topics jus smiply dont contriubute to them, its simple as that my love, my mother is white hispanic & my dad a blk, cuban, so calling me a racists isnt correct. ive never disrespected you in any way so please dont do it to me & we will get alonge just fine. thank you ( coco)

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    i can honestly state in my very ethnically diverse city that black dancers do not do as well as white dancers in general even when the black dancers hustle more and have better figures. black dancers have to bring more kinds of hustles to the table in order to earn at the same level as white girls who just wait for guys to ask them for dances or who buy them off stage.

    black girls ALWAYS have to ask. white girls SOMETIMES have to ask. that's the real difference.

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    straight up!.. I'm a fairly attractive black female.. i dont come to work with an attitude... i constantly have a smile on my face compared to ANY race at my club (whites..azns..hispanics).. even on the stage with that dark lighting! hehe.. I often was the only black girl working dayshift.. with possibly 2 or 3 black dancers on night shift at times.. ALL of us get a long just great with everyone of all races and theres hardly ever any drama.. I work in CALIFORNIA in a mostly white/hispanic club..

    I hustle, always havin great conversations with my custys who are mostly white.. and if they don't want a dance.. i just tell them to "have a great time either way!" but yet..

    I still don't always walk away with that extra $50 to $100 bucks more perhaps like the white girls... WHY? who knows.. i would never know. I try not to let that get to me.. If i don't bank at one club, I just go look for another one..plain and simple.. because the more I think about it, the more agitated i'll be EVERYWHERE I work at, and so I just go find another club with more of an acceptance of colored women.. (and believe me..in cali..theres plenty)

    Yes, at my club.. it may seem like at times that white girls make a tad bit more for just more or less hustle.. but what can ya do.. i worry about my ownself and not worry about why this white girl make this..or why this hispanic girl make that... I just try to make as much as I can from whoever that wants to dance with me..and try to have a good time either way!
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    I guess the reply to this question will be subject to some regional differences. However, from what I have observed in my 5 years experience, I would have to answer that all things being equal, yes black dancers tend to make less money than other ethnicities. I see this manifested at work in various ways- for example, when the black dancer with a nice body makes less money for a better stage show than her white or Latina counterparts. Also, like somebody else mentioned black dancers have to actually ask for dances more frequently than other dancers.

    The upside of this is I guess it encourages black dancers to "up their game" and work on refining their hustle, which as others have mentioned, is more vital to success than an initial first impression based on appearance. Also, most saavy black dancers tend to intuitively understand the nature of things in this business and tend to adopt strategies that will optimize their success (e.g. working in clubs with a favorable ethnic ratio, adopting a more "mainstream" hairstyle [how many dancers have you seen with microbraids or unpermed hair- probably not many], etc.

    I will say that this rule of thumb is subject to several caveats. First, if someone is so racially ambiguous that they could pass for something else, her earnings will probably be comparable to whatever she most resembles. Also, in my experience, European men tend to love black women, to the point of almost having a marked preference for them. I've never been to Europe myself, but I've been told this is the case in broader society there among both men and women. Black people are seen as exotic there, and they aren't plagued by the same racial baggage that we are here in the US.

    I hope I haven't offended anybody with my statements. I just think if people want to have a candid discussion about this issue, then we are doing ourselves a disservice by minimizing or denying the role that race can play. Also, for the purposes of this discussion, I think it is kinda inaccurate to lump Asians, Latinas, and Black women into one monolithic "women of color" label. In my experience, those three groups have very different experiences and varying levels of widespread appeal within the confines of a SC.

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    Hi,
    I worked briefly at a place that was nearly all white and there was a difference. However, my fav club was about 50/50 and the top girl there was black. Race didn't seem to play a factor at all, but most of the top girls were short and really curvy. I also worked at a club where the girls who banked had no boobs and no curves. I think it just varies, and different clubs will have different looks that sell. I have seen places where the porn star look is selling, and places where the girl next door look is the one to have, and one club that seemed to favor any girl from another country (they had a girl from Yugoslavia, Brazil, England, South Africa). The looks were so different, I guess it was the accents, or the exotic quality they loved.
    My point is every club is different, find the one that favors your look.
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    Does anyone realixe that the just the fact that strip clubs can't hire "too many" black girls says something in itself. When would a white woman go into a club and be told "sorry we already have too many of your kind on this shift, try another club". Don't happen. Thats some bullshit. I'm greatful I've never had to deal with the " we reached our color quota" shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasmine
    Race didn't seem to play a factor at all, but most of the top girls were short and really curvy.
    What club was that? I want to work there!

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    Don't worry, I wasn't personally attacking you! I just wanted to respond to some of the points you made. I understand your frustration with the OP but you were making it seem as though black dancers are imagining the preference for white women. I did point out that it is not always race and everyone may not be a customer's preference sometimes. However, there is less demand for black dancers and often, black dancers make less than white dancers. NOT ALWAYS!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah
    What club was that? I want to work there!
    Me too! I'm all about short and curvy!!!!
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    I personally dont like working with alot of black girls. Why? I feel it takes away from something being exotic that being me and also being 1/2 black. No one wants a buffet with too much of a good thing.
    I cant believe this topic is up again. I stopped thinking guys didnt want me b/c I was black or I made less money b/c I was black. I have just as much chance as everyone else in the club and I rightfully take what is mine.
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    Ummmm look at a penthouse/playboy. I have not seen a black woman in penthouse yet, in the almost year I've been gettin it. Not ONE, zero, zilch, nada. Not even an ad in Pent with a black woman in it. How many blacks in Playboy???? How many black girls have, IF EVER, have been PMOY??? How many have been Pet of the year??? Complain all you want about blondes being the rule, but there are brunettes in every issue. LOTS OF THEM. I have seen a lot of redheads and hispanics in Penthouse as well. NO BLACKS though.
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    The same can be said for indian/middle eastern/asian women but since this is a thread about black vs white girls, I'll leave it at that. Though this is fucked up too.
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    No matter what anybody says, black girls have to work anywhere from a little bit harder to a helluva lot harder, No matter how attractive you are, 75% of the time at 75% of the clubs. Every club/state is different, but I think this is the case in most areas. An ugly black girl is not on the same level as an ugly white girl. An ugly white girl, with a weight problem, and who can't dance worth a shit, is still better than an pretty black girl with a weight problem who is a good dancer onstage. This is very true where I'm at. An ugly black girl does not stand a chance where I'm at (Even if the body is great) unless she has an AWESOME hustle. If a black girl is lacking in both areas, then she will have hustle HARD, I mean HARD, or she is doing some extras. When I first started I was a terrible dancer onstage. I left the stage without a dollar more often than not. I thought it was b/c I looked silly (I did!) Then the new (white) girls started coming in as I stayed around. I was shocked how the dollars flew!! The realization made very sad, and it still does when I'm the only girl not getting a dance/tip despite being friendly, smiling, and working it onstage. Anyone can make money at the right club with the right hustle. I mean ANYONE. I am not disputing that. Anyone that says race does not matter is either VERY naive/stupid/ignorant, or works at that small portion of clubs where black women are "in great demand" There is definetly no great demand where I'm at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hot4ablackchick
    No matter what anybody says, black girls have to work anywhere from a little bit harder to a helluva lot harder, No matter how attractive you are, 75% of the time at 75% of the clubs. Every club/state is different, but I think this is the case in most areas. An ugly black girl is not on the same level as an ugly white girl. An ugly white girl, with a weight problem, and who can't dance worth a shit, is still better than an pretty black girl with a weight problem who is a good dancer onstage. This is very true where I'm at. An ugly black girl does not stand a chance where I'm at (Even if the body is great) unless she has an AWESOME hustle. If a black girl is lacking in both areas, then she will have hustle HARD, I mean HARD, or she is doing some extras. When I first started I was a terrible dancer onstage. I left the stage without a dollar more often than not. I thought it was b/c I looked silly (I did!) Then the new (white) girls started coming in as I stayed around. I was shocked how the dollars flew!! The realization made very sad, and it still does when I'm the only girl not getting a dance/tip despite being friendly, smiling, and working it onstage. Anyone can make money at the right club with the right hustle. I mean ANYONE. I am not disputing that. Anyone that says race does not matter is either VERY naive/stupid/ignorant, or works at that small portion of clubs where black women are "in great demand" There is definetly no great demand where I'm at.

    High five- I've been in the same boat.

    I left the club I was working at like that and went to an all black club. I knew I had to work on my hustle but everything else was fine (dancing, attitude, looks, etc)

    In the future I'll return to a more mixed club but for now I'm doing ok where I'm at.

    Oh yeah and to answer one of your earlier posts...I was told there have been 2 PMOY of color. And when Hef speaks about it- he's pretty damn proud. That was his contribution to the Civil Rights movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PleasureVictim
    Oh yeah and to answer one of your earlier posts...I was told there have been 2 PMOY of color. And when Hef speaks about it- he's pretty damn proud. That was his contribution to the Civil Rights movement.


    Hehe...Damn thats funny! I am really surprised there were two though. Still, that speaks for itself. I'll have to look and see when there was thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hot4ablackchick
    An ugly black girl is not on the same level as an ugly white girl. An ugly white girl, with a weight problem, and who can't dance worth a shit, is still better than an pretty black girl with a weight problem who is a good dancer onstage.
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    I applaud you. That is RIDICULOUSLY true. I've noticed how the fugliest white girl at my club who gets drunk and just walks around the pole can somehow manages to get dances, but the black girl who simply isn't very cute will end up in the dressing room all night pissed off because nobody wants her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hot4ablackchick
    Hehe...Damn thats funny! I am really surprised there were two though. Still, that speaks for itself. I'll have to look and see when there was thanks.

    No problem- It was in the mid-60s/late 80s (1989) I think.

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    Last place I worked had only one black dancer. Which was strange since there was 60 or so girls working sometimes.

    She didn't do very well, but I think that more had to do with age and figure, and she didn't seem to wear any make up or do something creative with her hair. So I can't say it was a race thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PleasureVictim
    No problem- It was in the mid-60s/late 80s (1989) I think.

    You're Right!! The first black playmate of the year was Renee Tenison, Miss November 1989. I honestly couldn't tell who was the next one, (the photos are so damn airbrushed and there was just one so I couldn't tell) Miss Aug 2002???? Maybe??? Geez who the fuck is the other one??
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    Jennifer Jackson march of either 1964 or 1965....thats all I could find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hot4ablackchick
    . Anyone that says race does not matter is either VERY naive/stupid/ignorant, or works at that small portion of clubs where black women are "in great demand" There is definetly no great demand where I'm at.

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    Like Treach said "if you ain't never been to the ghetto, you wouldn't understand the ghetto, so stay the phuck out of the ghetto!" (that's an analogy)

    People kill me saying its attitude, and yadda-yadda-yadda. BULLSHIT!!!!
    Most of the time, articulate, pleasant Black women can't get past the front door to audition, especially if they already have their "token" quota satisfied!

    If you really subscribe the aformentioned thought process, you aren't Black PERIOD!!!

    You may "think" you know, but guess what???, YOU PROBABLY DON'T, just because you aren't racist, and some of your best friends are Black(cuz some of mine are definately Caucasian), doesn't change the fact that White dancers make more Cash$$ than Black dancers on a whole.

    Nor does it change the fact that fat-ass, herpe-mouthed, non-matching Walmart-lingerie wearing, meth-smokin, tobacco-dippin, filthy white scrunchie using (as a garter) dirty-ass toes hanging off her prom-shoes, Becky, will make more money than me dancing annually, if we work the same amount of hours!
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    someone needs to do a study on this subject if its that serious and get some statistics or sumthin damn

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    Does anyone realixe that the just the fact that strip clubs can't hire "too many" black girls says something in itself. When would a white woman go into a club and be told "sorry we already have too many of your kind on this shift, try another club". Don't happen. Thats some bullshit. I'm greatful I've never had to deal with the " we reached our color quota" shit.
    Ive worked at 2 clubs that have turned away white girls due to having too many.

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    Ummmm look at a penthouse/playboy. I have not seen a black woman in penthouse yet, in the almost year I've been gettin it. Not ONE, zero, zilch, nada. Not even an ad in Pent with a black woman in it. How many blacks in Playboy???? How many black girls have, IF EVER, have been PMOY??? How many have been Pet of the year??? Complain all you want about blondes being the rule, but there are brunettes in every issue. LOTS OF THEM. I have seen a lot of redheads and hispanics in Penthouse as well. NO BLACKS though.
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    http://www.playboy.com/playmates/directory/198206.html


    I could keep going but I really dont have hours to scour the archives.

    And seriously, go ahead and tell me that because I'm mixed and not all black I dont understand. I get turned down for not dancing to rap and for being very pale. And oh, I'm not from the "ghetto" but hey, come take a tour of where I used to live.... Long Beach/Compton. Brooklyn, the Bronx, Harlem. There goes that idea too. Is it NEVER about race? No... I never said that. I wont say that. That would be a lie. I get turned down for my white half, yanno. But do ALL black dancers make less than white? Not even close. I have seen way too many black dancers bank and bank often to ever agree with this theory. But as I said... race comes into play in EVERY industry.

    When my aunt moved to the US from Africa, she was quite angry with all of the life-long Americanized black people who used racism as a crutch. Yes, she used the term crutch. And she still gripes about it. She does all she can to get around her race coming into play when she works, and taught her kids to never use race as an excuse for why they arent making the money. If their job is pulling the race card, they move on. Which is why she came to the US to begin with... moving on.
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    Ummm except for one of those women, those are just playmates. I said how many are PMOY. Only Renee Tenison was PMOY. I was making a point that I have still not seen a black woman in Penthouse in the almost year I've been recieving it. I did not say there has never been a black woman in playboy and penthouse. I was making a point that these are very popular, mainstream magazines. They do not feature black women often. That speaks for itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaigeDWinter
    And oh, I'm not from the "ghetto" but hey, come take a tour of where I used to live.... Long Beach/Compton. Brooklyn, the Bronx, Harlem. There goes that idea too.

    That was an analogy.

    I meant if you aren't "Black" (and I do mean you CAN'T pass for White), then, IMHO, you can't fully apprieciate the situation being discussed. I could care less about everyone's ethinc/racial mixture, in this context. It's about looks, and looking "Black" when it comes to stripping. I know this for a fact, since I heard all kinds of terrible comments by customers in reference to "Spics", when they didn't know that I have a hispanic father. Most times its not about what you are, rather what you look like you are.
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