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    Now I have a mild care of insomnia, usually brought on by being inspired to write or some other burning stress. Seing as how I have both now, I feel like I'm up all the time.

    Over the years I’ve done a bit of research and found a few things that work for me. I figure since some people here suffer from this ailment as well I may as let well yet you in on what I do.

    If it is at all possible, setup your bedroom for only two things: sleeping and sex.

    That means:

    No Phone
    No TV (so used to do this, till I banned it. If your up at 3am and I'm not go to the other room please)
    No Computer
    No Video Games
    Comfortable Bed
    No reading in bed (used to be a real bad habit of mine)
    No children in the bed (sometimes this just can’t be helped, nightmares etc)
    No family photos, you don’t want them staring at you when your getting it on.
    No mirrors unless you are really, really into that thing. You can have a cosmetics nook in the right room. That actually worked great, had a walk in closet, and the cosmetics nook was around the corner, better lighting, and she could keep everything there.
    If there is a toilet attached, keep the door closed.
    If you can do anything to fix your snoring, do it.
    Any artwork should be pleasant, to you and anyone sharing the bedroom. Nothing extreme. You’re trying to sleep or have sex here, not contemplate the fall of the golden age (album cover with demon and wizard battling over a city)

    I realize there are times when you cannot do all of this. The next best thing for the electronic equipment is to have some kind of cabinet; you can hide it all away with, and if you must watch in the middle of the night, try and do it elsewhere. If you have to watch tv in there for some reason, try and have it a set time, and never when the other partner is sleeping.

    Other things I find that help:

    Talk over the day with your partner, before going to bed. Do it in another room, cuddle on the couch or something. This helps so much! I don’t know the amount of times I’ve had a sleepless night because a certain other told me all of her problems of the day, while I was trying to clear my head of mine. It is just one of those fundamental differences. No reason not to share your problems, just talk a little before lying down as it were. Turn the TV off and communicate. I’ve got open ears before one of them hits the pillow, and it beats falling asleep, while being talked to. That at least merits a poke in the back.

    On occasion I’ve used Camomile Tea, not too much though 1 cup should do it. I’ve tried a few other things, but nothing else with consistent results.


    Anyone else?
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    no caffeine after 2.
    a glass of milk.
    a glass of wine.
    fan in my face puts me to sleep.
    and of course to get to sleep, sex.

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    back rub.. I may have to beg for it, but it definitely knocks me out, even a crappy lil rub down does the trick.
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    Try smoking a fattie!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsy_girlchild
    back rub.. I may have to beg for it, but it definitely knocks me out, even a crappy lil rub down does the trick.
    Puleeze!! Come give me a crappy lil rub down!!
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    depending on how bad the insomnia is and what is causing it, sleeping pills can be helpful in the right circumstances.

    i had mono last summer and when i started feeling a little better i developed serious insomnia. i was still too tired to do anything during the day, but the lack of activity made it impossible for me to sleep at night. i went for a week without sleep. my sleep schedule had just gotten so mixed up my body didn't know what to do. i took sonanta for 4 nights to get back on the right track and it worked perfectly.

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    funlatina, that works every time! lol

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    I never have slept real good so I have kind of adjusted to it . And I notice I sleep less as I get older . I just feel I need to get up early in the morning and get my shit done if I get a few hours of deep sleep I am good . The TV in my room actually helps me sleep .

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    Quote Originally Posted by funlatina82
    Try smoking a fattie!
    .... and there you have the reason why, after three months, I gave up weed. I would have some (a pipe usually not a bong)... and not too soon afterwards.. I couldn't stop myself.. and "BAM" out like a light

    Never had any of the other "side effects" ... and since disliked how I would fall asleep so easily "in company" (as I was only doing it socially at the time) I couldn't see the point.. and gave it up.

    So yes.. a fattie can do wonders for sleep deprivation.


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    medication!


    Um, er... well ok... only if you have severe insomnia.

    I listen to meditational radio stations on my computer for at least an hour before bed. I also have meditational backgrounds on my pc to reflect upon.

    Another trick that works for me, but it only works if I do it every now and then.... switch directions in bed. Every month or so I will sleep with my head where my feet usually are... just that one night... and it zonks me out.
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    I have had insomnia for years. It has been made worse because my job takes me traveling cross country as often as once a week. Last week was 3 cities in 4 days and then back across 3 time zones to home.


    I am sleeping in strange enviroments after a stressful day and have to be "on" and ready for meetings the next day.

    About a year ago my Dr. precsribed Ambian CR. Works great and no after effects the next day. I was concerned about a sleeping pill and her opinion was it is better then not sleeping. I am really pleased with it, and it does not seem to impact the nights I do not to take it.

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    Ambien..."works like a dream."

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    Glass of warm anything, I prefer hot chocolate, though tea or milk will work too.
    Take a hot bath/shower. The temperature drop when you get out makes you sleepy.
    Setting my alarm early. If I simply cannot get my sleep pattern together, I will set my alarm early, say 6 or 7am, and make myself get up. No naps allowed all day, no going to bed til my regular time. After being up so long on so little sleep, I have no problem sleeping the next night.

    Oh, and cuddling with my lazy ass cat helps too Hrm...it's 4am, maybe I should start doing some of these....
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    um ambien and umm ambien...

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    I'm going to try and get the contiunity of the thread back not that the time seems right again.
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    Here are two interesting articles...


    http://www.economist.com/science/dis...ory_id=7138780


    And


    New York Times:

    Help for Chronic Insomnia Isn't Always Found in a Pill


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    By JANE E. BRODY
    Published: May 16, 2006

    Recent reports of bizarre sleepwalking behaviors, including middle-of-the-night binge eating and even driving a car, among patients taking the popular sleeping pill Ambien have led some health professionals to focus on drug-free methods of treating chronic insomnia.

    Sleep therapists have demonstrated the effectiveness of a brief form of psychotherapy called cognitive behavioral therapy. Through it, patients learn to restructure their thinking about sleep, which is often erroneous, and to change counterproductive bedtime habits.

    Should insomnia recur after formal therapy ends, patients have the tools to make corrections on their own. Or, if self-help fails, they see the therapist for a refresher session.

    Jack D. Edinger and his psychology colleagues at the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Durham, N.C., reported five years ago that, among 75 patients with chronic primary insomnia, cognitive behavioral therapy — known as C.B.T. — produced "clinically significant sleep improvements within six weeks," and these improvements persisted for at least six months, the length of follow-up in the study.

    It found the therapy to be significantly better than readjusting sleep habits or teaching patients progressive muscle relaxation to help them fall asleep and stay asleep.

    Patients treated with cognitive behavioral therapy reduced by an average of 54 percent the time they spent awake in the night. Those undergoing relaxation therapy reduced awake time by only 16 percent. Those receiving the behavioral placebo therapy achieved a 12 percent reduction.

    The patients were randomly assigned to groups and were unaware of the therapy they were receiving.

    Plagued with chronic insomnia that for years had left her lying awake for hours, Dr. Rachel Norwood, a psychiatrist at the National Jewish Medical and Research Center in Denver, visited Dr. Edinger to learn his techniques. After successfully applying them to her own problem, Dr. Norwood adapted the method to help her patients.

    She has found that not only does cognitive behavioral therapy produce startling results in people whose insomnia has no underlying cause (so-called primary insomnia), it can also help those whose insomnia is more complicated than simply being unable to fall asleep and stay asleep.

    One of Dr. Norwood's patients, Karen Hagler, has suffered for three decades with restless leg syndrome that, she said, turned her bed into a battleground, left her tired and crabby all day, and hurt her marriage.

    "I'm now able to have quality sleep for about six hours a night, and I'm no longer tired during the day," Ms. Hagler said. "C.B.T. has given me quality of life. I don't even have to think about it anymore."

    Dr. Norwood explained that the therapy retrains the part of the brain that controls a person's sleep-wake cycle and helps patients become experts on their own sleep. Patients learn that they cannot talk themselves into sleep. They figure out how much sleep they really need and how to budget it.

    Important to reprogramming an errant brain is establishing a regular bedtime and, even more important, setting a specific time to get up each morning.

    Taking naps to make up for lost sleep at night can make insomnia worse, Dr. Norwood said.

    With the therapist's help, patients explore what seems to help and what hurts their ability to fall asleep and stay asleep. Some patients need a dark, quiet, cool room; others may need a constant sound to help them sleep. If it takes more than 20 minutes to fall asleep, patients are told to get out of bed and do something distracting until they feel sleepy again.

    Dr. Norwood said that most patients with insomnia harbor erroneous beliefs that impair rather than aid their ability to sleep soundly. For example, one patient thought that if she didn't sleep for seven hours, her next day would be ruined. Another believed that she could not sleep unless the bedroom temperature was exactly 65 degrees.

    And while many insomniacs think they need a drink to help them fall asleep, alcohol is a common cause of middle-of-the-night insomnia, the experts say.

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    Well I finally had a good nights sleep last night!

    I have been on a mission this last week, and burning the candle at both ends does not help when you can’t sleep. I just had way too much drive to complete everything. Yesterday I was so tired that I could not stare at anything for a long time. So I did all the usual things I normally do. I made sure there were no naps also; they only make the insomnia worse, because you can’t sleep at a ‘normal’ time.

    sxybrat07, you gave my memory a good kick there. It has been so long since I’ve had a good shower, I followed your advice. After the long hot shower I could feel sleep calling me. I stayed up to a normal time, had some tea, and finally fell soundly asleep. I have always found the shower to be a relaxing place.

    If I had insomnia to the point of total sleep depravation, and it was causing me to see things or otherwise not think straight, I’d consider medication or other methods. I have never got to the point, where I saw things, so I have not tried medication or other drugs for sleeplessness. Well I have used Nyquil on occasion, or some form of aspirin. The regular dose of Nyquil is usually good for sleeping, and even better if you’re sick anyway.

    For some people, the medication works, for me I’d rather not. I don’t like thinking the answers are at the bottom of a cup, or being whisked away by a pill or something more. There are times though when some of that is required. I found a decent overview of sleep deprivation at Wikipedia here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation.

    Yes, sex, can really knock you out especially if it is good.

    Oddly enough PaigeDWinter, I used to do just that when I was younger. One night the other way around, and sleep no longer eluded me.

    gypsy_girlchild, I do not know how or why it works on women, but you hit the nail on the head. If you ever have a sleepless lady on your hands, try this! Even the worse crappy, gentle massage, will work wonders on a woman. If you can give a better one though, do it as well. I do recommend, women, to get your request in before your guy gets in bed. I know too many guys (often myself also) that just hit the bed and are out for the count.

    CuriousJ this has always been an odd thing to me. I suppose the mind gets so bored that you just fall asleep. Some people can just do it. I always get too into something, or just turn it off. Guess it is just different strokes for different folks. I am at the point now where I will wake myself early to work on something. I do have to add that the time I moved the TV out of my bedroom was some of the best sleep I ever had. Actually a better solution would be a laptop with a TV card, wireless headphones, and a DVD player in the laptop. That way you don’t have to have it there all the time, it does not take up much space and you can watch just about anything on it.

    Daniela, enjoyed the article. As before I almost always prefer drug free methods for treatment. Even in what I have described there in the original post there is some behaviour modification.

    Well hope you guys are getting some sleep. I’m going to see if I can do it the whole week. I’m also trying to force myself to get more exercise. I might need my inspiration but I do need that sleep as well.
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