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    Default I'm going insane!!! The fucking companies are DRIVING ME INSANE

    so I work for a bunch of different companies around town.

    Here's how my week went:
    Thursday morning I get woken up for an offer for a party Saturday night. I find out that it's in an area that's 45 minutes away...but I thought, okay, it will be fine-- it's for firefighters, it will be worth it. I find out though that it's at the far end of that lake town which means it'd be an hour and twenty minutes (and part of that on a really long ass country road). So I cancel on Friday morning and say, sorry, no can do.

    So then--

    I just signed on with a new company who SEEMED to have their shit together. The first party they put me on? One that's at least an hour away and in an area where unless it's in this one housing section, it's super ghetto and no money. So...I'm like...okay--you say there's going to be money, fine. I'll commit. It sucked because it was almost as far away, but I was getting a higher base fee, and I figured that it's good to do the first party given to you by a new company.

    Well then the girl who I was supposed to be doing it with is being kind of flaky. Always sounds like she's high, and it's really hard to understand her on the phone. The guy's for the party aren't giving her the info (bad sign) and I have to keep calling her, being like, "so what's going on?"

    Finally, I call today and I'm like, "it's tonight, if I don't hear from you by x time, I'm going to do other parties that have been offered to me."


    so, I don't hear from ANYONE from that company, and so I start talking to the other company about the first party....which I still don't want to do because it's so fucking far away.

    And on top of that?!?!? There's a couple of small parties that are around here, that I'd be totally up for, but a) the boss who has those parties got miffed at me when I told her I was working a far away ghetto town for another company instead of doing her parties, b) my main bouncer can't work, and c) my secondary bouncer might not have transportation.


    So....if I want to work tonight, I'd have to do the hour and twenty minute drive one, and I'm going to a movie tonight that lets out at 8:45....so do I really want to leave then???

    FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!


    And on TOP of THAT, there was this photographer for some small ass e-mag that I was talking about doing a shoot with, I guess he had a craigslist ad that offered the cover, and offered no compensation. So, I forgot about that no compensation part, and here's what the dialogue went like:

    Me: hey, are you still looking for models? (I think I even wrote a little about myself and my schedule but I can't say for sure.)
    Him: sure, do you have some photos you can send?
    Me: (attaches photos) I also have portfolios on x and y modeling sites
    Him: are these your portfolios? (adds my link)
    Me: Yup.
    Him: Nice. I'd be happy to work with you. What's your day to day schedule like? And you're in (town name)?
    (now, I didn't write back because both my ports say I live in that town and
    I contacted him from the craigslist FOR that town. A couple days
    go by, and I write

    Me: ???
    Him:
    Where do you live?
    Me: (names the town)
    Him: When would you like to shoot and what kind of shoot would
    you like to do?
    Me: What is the compensation? Do you employ a Makeup Artist?
    Him:
    Compensation? For you to be featured as a cover model?
    None.

    (So I thought that was a little snarky, because I'm normally paid.
    I did forget that his ad said no money, but still.)
    Me: Makeup Artist?
    Him: Makeup and Hair Stylist

    (So at this point, I'm like, okay-- I can work with that, so I write
    Me:
    Cool. Now, normally I work for compesnation rather than TFP, so it wasn't an
    unusual question to be asking. I wasn't being a prima donna, it's just that
    for all seven or so of my shoots up to this point have been paid. However,
    your response to that question (though in email, tone can be up for grabs) I
    felt was rather prima donna-ish yourself. I need to know if you're the type
    of photographer who thinks he's God's gift to models; I have about as much
    modeling work at the moment as I would want or need, so really don't have
    this burgeoning desire to be "discovered" on your website.
    However, you should know that, honestly, and I can back this up with
    references, the most common thing I've heard from photograpers after working
    with them is that I am one of the easiest models to work with. I just don't
    respond well to certain kind of treatments. But if it was all a mistake
    because I couldn't hear the tone you were responding with, then great, let's

    shoot. (emphasis added)


    I've looked at Tianna and Jenny's portfolio shots, and I like most of them.
    You asked me what type of shots I would do; normally I'm good with implied
    nudity, but depending on the shoot, I might not be. Also, I saw in Tianna's
    portfolio a lot of emphasis on booty shots. I have a butt myself, and while
    I don't mind that being the focus of a well-crafted shot, I really don't
    want to get down to my skivvies and take really obvious booty shots. I've
    already got those in my portfolio.

    A lot of the photographers I've worked with recognize that I'm a cupcake
    model; that just has to do with Betty Page being a role model for me. I love
    those old style pinup type shots, but I'm also willing to branch out if
    there's a "vision" your stylists have been wanting to try for a long time. I
    guess the one thing I would like to come away with from your photoshoot are
    pictures that aren't just another girl in a bikini. Jenny's port. had some
    of those, but then she'd have a breathtaking one like the one of her in the
    white dress. I do have some clothes appropriate to a shoot, but are there
    any leftovers from other shoots that I can play with?

    Let me know if you would like to shoot with me. I'm pretty much on vacation,
    so am free most days. Weekdays (or early evenings) are best for me. I have
    paintball this Sunday, so if you were interested in shooting as soon as
    possible, then you might want to wait til the middle or end of next week in
    case I have any bruising (unless your makeup artists want to deal with that,

    and then I'm game to shoot Monday or Tuesday.)

    Sincerely,
    Me

    He responded with:
    I approached you quite pleasantly, in a conversational manner,
    and you responded, from the beginning, with mono-syllabic
    responses. Your emails were very terse and unfriendly and
    even failed to address the few simple questions I asked.

    My ad clearly states that there is no monetary compensation but
    it also clearly outlines other benefits to shooting with us. If
    you didn't take the time to read the whole ad, I can't be faulted
    for that.

    You say you're not a prima-donna but everything about each email
    from you screams just that. You don't "need" to be discovered on
    our website? Awesome, don't shoot with us.

    I suggest *you* seriously re-consider how you communicate with
    potential business associates.



    I wrote back saying that he replied just as tersely as me, and that I was
    willing to chalk it up to talking at cross purposes because I too
    felt like he wasn't answering my questions. I also said that I
    understood that not all photographers and models mixed well and that this
    seemed to be the case here. Then I wished him best of luck on his future
    shoots and left it at that.


    So, it's just been that type of day.

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    Default Re: I'm going insane!!! The fucking companies are DRIVING ME INSANE

    ^^Dayum fancygirl.. i hate it panned out like that! I have had dealings with a photographer like that, and i really wanted to cut him from asshole to muthaf*ckin appetite...i mean damn, its BUSINESS!! C'mon over and i'll pour ya a glass a' my signature Grey Goose drink!! ...tends to help me not react to these situations in a violent manner!
    "You gotta snatch them mutha-f*ckaz up and let THEM know that YOU gonna take THEM out..anytime YOU feel like it! You gotta get the ground beneath yo feet, patnah..get the wind behind yo back and go out in BLAZE if you have to! Otherwise, YOU AIN'T SH*T!!" -2Pac as "Bishop" in Juice

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    Default Re: I'm going insane!!! The fucking companies are DRIVING ME INSANE

    At least you go offered shows

    I'm with a whole heap of companies/agencies right now. I sms them each and every week on the Tuesday/Wednesday informing them I am available Fri/Sat. I extended my hours until 2am in the morning for availability. I even extended how far I'm willing to drive (over an hour). Short of dying my hair blonde and acquiring some fake tits, I don't know what else there is for me to do !!!

    (No exclusivity is not valued in my region as alot of the showgirls are with multiple companies... very very few are exclusive to one company)

    I also feel I am reliable. If I'm late it is for a damn legitmate reason. If I do a no show, it is for a legitmate reason (as I don't like doing no shows). If I turn up to the booking, then make the "executive decision" to not do it because I think it will jeopardise my safety I will ring the agency up pronto and tell the agency as such (usually it's the 18th birthday party shows that I have to watch out for in re: my safety as most bucks parties are quite easy to manage).

    I've entered competitions, won titles... really.. what else is there for me to do to make any of these agencies stand up and notice me?!?!


    Okay.. end rant/whinge... just that I've had two bad earning weeks in a row... made less than $100 both weeks! GRRR!


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    Default Re: I'm going insane!!! The fucking companies are DRIVING ME INSANE

    well, at the moment, I'm on semi-vacation. All extra money is going to savings or just paying for extras like restaurants and the occasional clothing purchase.

    This area doesn't have a lot of reliable girls. So I get pretty much called on any party that the companies get called for, unless a dancer is manning the phone to nab the parties. <shrug-
    I just can't friggin believe that there's a really good party (maybe, but probably) an hour and twenty minutes away....

    I just went to pirates with a guy friend instead. It brought my irritation level way down.

    As I told him, today was just one of those days where I wish I had free license to wiffle bat anybody who got in my fucking way.

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    Default Re: I'm going insane!!! The fucking companies are DRIVING ME INSANE

    I know with my company, the new dancers get kind of the crappier jobs (meaning way out of town). Our veterans get preference in scheduleing until a new dancer has shown her willingness to work.

    We do charge extra for out of town shows. It is an extra $1 a mile outside of the metro area. We determine the milage using mapquest, so the customer knows right when we are speaking to him what the extra charges will be.

    Many of our dancers negotiate with the customers outside of the agency, too. For instance, if you had called the customer that was an hour and twenty minutes away and explained how far out of your way it is, they likely would have been happy to pay an extra $50 or whatever to get you there. Especially if they requested you specificlly. I coach the customers that this may be the case, and to have plenty of money for tipping the dancer as she is coming from all the way over in XYZ city just for their show.

    But I guess many companies are run like the clubs are, and they could really give a rat's ass about how much the dancers earn as long as they get their cut.

    We try very hard to keep our dancers happy. We've had problems with dancers getting turned down after arriving at a party, or it being a not-safe situation. If the dancer can't do the party because of the customer, then we at least pay them for their time. I mean $50 isn't much, but at least it is something.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris
    .......We've had problems with dancers getting turned down after arriving at a party, or it being a not-safe situation. If the dancer can't do the party because of the customer, then we at least pay them for their time. I mean $50 isn't much, but at least it is something.
    Wow, wish it worked like that here! It was a long drive to this one party show that I had to do one time (about 45min to an hour) and by the time I got there I realised that it wouldn't be a safe situation (I had someone with me to back me up on that assessment) and thus turned around and started heading home (since it was my only show for the night).... well... I rung the agency I was booked through and told them as such... and yeh.. nothing. Not one damn cent for even bothering to take the time to drive all that way to the show.

    Ah well. How's this for funny.... I finally get my ass down to a local club due to having two bad income weeks in re: private parties .. I roster to work Friday... and just then (yes today at around 2pm) I could've scored myself a waitress plus show gig which is always worth it ! Damn!!!


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    Default Re: I'm going insane!!! The fucking companies are DRIVING ME INSANE

    Well the funny part is, regarding the initial post is that, according to the dancers who DID work the parties (I try to keep an ear out for what I missed):

    1. The show that was an hour and twenty minutes away cancelled at the last moment (but before the girl left to start driving out there.)
    2. The other company sent two girls out to the OTHER show that was an hour away-- and my other boss was right about it going to be super ghetto; the girls only got like $15 in tips EACH, even after the drive.
    and
    3. Those parties around town? I didn't have a bouncer so I decided not to call the boss about picking those up last minute. It ALWAYS pays to network and be nice to other dancers, because who calls me at quarter to midnight? One of the dancers who got put on the party about fifteen minutes from me telling me to, "come out, they want another dancer, I just cleared 400 and they want to keep going." Initially I told her no (I had to get up at 9), but then called her back ten minutes later and was like, "why not?"

    I did $420 in an hour (which would be 2 hrs. including drive and makeup.)
    So...that night ended up being pretty good after all.

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