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    I guess I'm asking this question because I only made $220 tonight and that really pisses me off, which I'm trying to positively interpret as a sign that I finally know what the f*ck I'm doing. When I first started dancing 10 months ago I would have found this sum perfectly acceptable. However, after getting more regulars and improving my hustle (thank you SW!) I'm used to making at least $400 on a weekened night.

    I work in a divey club in south-eastern Michigan where it is full contact and there are also more clubs per capita in the Detroit area than anywhere else in the country. If a newbie wants to make any money in this area she has to be willing to put in the time to learn how to hustle, fend off perverts and make some regulars. Its completely sink or swim. I've seen many sink and am grateful that I learned how to swim.

    I really shouldn't be ranting. I guess I'm just saying that its probably a good sign that you're improving when your expectations start shifting. Has anyone else experienced this?

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    You should be happy to make $220 dollars in one night. Most ppl at "regular" job definitly do not make $220 a day/night....


    And they probley do more labour work and have to take more shit from mangement and other co-workers. Strippers have a pretty lenient schedule....

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    Default Re: Am I a real pro now?

    i've only been dancing a coupleof months, but i feel the same way. my first night i was stoked to have made $100. now if i leave with just $100 i'm totally dissatisfied. i don't know if that means were pro's, but it's definitely good if your averages and expectations have gone up

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    Yeah, congratulations and ignore this weekend. I'm having a shit weekend too, moneywise, but I just looked at a big wad of cash for two nights of dancing and dressing up, and it's more than my rent. It's going to pay off three bills, including one large one. So I try to keep it in perspective.

    Something weird is going on this weekend though. I don't know if it's just my club or what, but it's been a mass invasion of the Asshole Brigade all weekend. It would be hard for me to decide on one single rudest thing I have experienced this weekend, but a biggie would be the guy who refused to tip even a single dollar after sitting at the tiprail all night. I finally explained, "Hon, we work for tips. When you sit here and enjoy my show, you're taking up a seat that would have been occupied by a paying customer, and you're actually stealing from me." He just smirked at me and said, "Yeah, it sucks to be you." GRRRRR!!!

    I had to leave an hour early tonight. I just flat-out could not take it anymore. After I almost kicked an old man in the face for further rudeness, I just had to admit I am at my rudeness quotient. I can take not making money, but I cannot take being disrespected. I don't know if it's been like this everywhere this weekend, or if my club is just attracting the wrong kind of clientele lately.

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    At least you got to work. I've been home sick with a really nasty flu bug.


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    At least you made over $100! Granted, I'm a private party/agency dancer so my income is not really up to me that much at all since I work through agencies.


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    You should be happy to make $220 dollars in one night. Most ppl at "regular" job definitly do not make $220 a day/night....And they probley do more labour work and have to take more shit from mangement and other co-workers. Strippers have a pretty lenient schedule....
    Wow, I dont know where you work, but it sounds like I should be there instead of here!

    I know I do more physical labor as a dancer than I've ever done in any 'conventional' job (and I've done a lot).

    And I NEVER had to suffer under sexist pig managers that would have been slapped with sexual harassment suits several times over if they pulled the kind of stuff management pulls at SCs.

    AND I've never worked with more difficult, catty, crazy coworkers in my LIFE then since I've been working with jealous, vicious, coked out strippers (we've all had to deal with them...thank God this kind of stripper doesnt make up the entirety of strippers in the club).

    I can agree with you on the money being more than most people make elsewhere, and even with a stripper's schedule (usually) being more lenient than it would be at other jobs (although my club has a pretty strict schedule policy), but even with those things considered, dont knock the effort and hard labor that goes into stripping.

    This job is not a cake walk. I bust my ass every night when I'm at work and I earn the money I make. There's a reason the pay has to be so good to keep me here. Some nights it's almost tempting to go back to the conventional world of work- so I can wake up without being completely stiff from hours of physical labour and so I can deal with sane management and co-workers again, among other things!

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    The Chicago Tribune ran a page one story today on how poverty, unemployment are all up throughout the midwest, and hinting (with no stats presented) that things are getting tough in Michigan.

    Things are going to get much worse in Michigan. The only big city area in the 12 state midwest area with positive growth is Chicago with a very poor 1% growth rate. This compares with the south at about 4% and the southwest with 6-8% economic growth.

    Chicago however also has an increasing poverty rate (Tribune source) at 21% which is far higher than the US average and even midwest average.

    Minnesota and small town Wisconsin have positive growth rates, probably due to strong bio tech research.

    Earlier this year a dancer talked about no money and Michigan on this board.

    My advice is the same. Leave now while you can. The last bus and train out of Michigan for
    four years of economic cownturn is now loading at the station.

    To quote Marshall Dillion of Gunsmoke, "I suggest you be on it."

    My advice is for economic reasons.

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    Yekhefah and others, it seems to be in the air these days! We had a freakin' RIDICULOUS Friday this weekend. Even though our club is primarily busy after hours and will only start to fill up between12 and 1, it never got anywhere NEAR busy. It was like pulling teeth to get anyone to tip around the stage. The DJ put his heart into it, at one point saying "Once again, guys, we have to remind you that if you're at that stage, it is mandatory tipping. Do you need me to translate 'mandatory'? That means you HAVE TO TIP!!!" but it didn't seem to help. There were at least three reprimands over the DJ mike that there is to be no contact with the dancers onstage (which resulted in one bounce), AND a camera was confiscated! We also had plenty of what's been described as 'carpet gazers' in the "Why even come to the club" thread; guys who order their requisite soda and sit against the wall looking alternately bored and disdainful all night, looking at us as if we have six heads whenever we approach and try to talk to them.

    On top of that we had two - TWO - "bachelor" parties in the club. One of the groups came in acting like total bigshots, demanding that they get 4 dancers at once on stage. The DJ says ok, that'll be $100. They never brought it up again. Any time dancers approached to see if they could get dances going for the group or even just the groom, it was always a variation on 'maybe later' (ok, fine) or 'can we get it for free on his big night?' (wha-huh?) I talked to them about the VIP options and they basically laughed in my face. Tipping a buck or two for anyone on stage was evidently causing them physical pain. At the end of the night, I can report that they did not get ONE. SINGLE. DANCE. Not even a freakin' pain-in-our-asses, thorn-in-our-sides 2for1!!! And the bartender reported that their combined total tip tally for her, for the whole night (we have a two drink minimum per person) was FOUR DOLLARS. This was the most obnoxiousl of the two parties, but the other one wasn't giving it up either (they at least weren't trying to INSERT their single dollar bills into the stage dancers' pussies, at least. Ooh. Gold stars for them!).

    Wow, that turned into a rant. Sorry to have vented so, but man, Friday really burned me up.
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    It is probably just the slow summer season. Too many other activities to keep people busy, that going to the SC (even for the hard core regs) drops low on the priority list.

    Your best bet is getting yourself to a Macho tourist driven region. I'm talking things like extreme sports (rock climbing, mountian biking), golf, fishing and hunting. Those clubs stay busy in the summer. I'd be willing to bet that Utah strippers do pretty well in the summer, as does Montana. I've never been to Colorado, but I'd be willing to try dancing in a more rural club (more likely to get the tourism crowd).

    I'm heading to central Oregon tomorrow, where golf, fishing, white water rafting and rock climbing are popular in the summer. (oh, and there is a couple of big tribal casinos near by, too.)


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    I made less than $200 last night, a Saturday in Indianapolis. Not cool. I am considering switching clubs.

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    It might not be the club, Andy. As you can see, this shit is everywhere right now.

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    even here! My fridays at the main club that I work rock and I made crap and it was full of assholes.

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    Andygirl, mind if I ask where you work? I've worked two Indy clubs so far and seen the money get bad at both. You can PM if you want. I'll also tell you where I'm thinking about going...Maybe we could go together?

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    My expectations start shifting as well. I thought damn I should be making X amount of money per week or day. $200 is no longer acceptable to me and even if I have a bad day with that amount Im still grateful it was at least that. Shoot, could have been $20.
    Anyways, I just think knowing how much you can earn when you step out onto the floor is a good thing.
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    Even in the Uk the wend sucked bigtime! Usually over thurs, fri, sat I try and clear about £1000 or there abouts, this wend I barely cleared £500! I think its the time of year, everyones out having too much summer fun to come in to a dark and dingy strip club.

    I agree with what was said about expectations of earnings also. A friend of mine did her first night on Friday and was over the moon to have earned £110. I was happy for her but the days of that being an acceptable wage for me on a Friday night are long gone.



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    I'm never happy with the amount of money I make. I constantly think about what I could have done better, and who I did not approach. At the same time I'm grateful if it isn't a under a 100 dollar night.
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    There is a fair amount of discussion in Dollar Den on this issue in general. It's arguable that a cutback in dancer earnings potential at 'middle of the road' clubs is not an isolated occurrence but part of a much larger 'squeeze' in the 'disposable incomes' of middle class club customers. Every increase in the price of gasoline, in the cost of state/local property and sales taxes, in the cost of rents and ARM mortgages, in the cost of medical insurance / copays, in the cost of tuition for their kid's schooling, in the cost of imported items affected by the US$ exchange rate, and in the cost of US products and services which have an 'energy' component (from pizza deliveries to the price of beef), diverts middle class worker dollars towards these "necessary" things and away from strip clubs and other 'frivolous' or 'luxury' expense items.

    Given that except for 'super-upscale' clubs in a few large cities which specifically cater to the 'rich', the vast majority of clubs are dependent on middle class businessmen, union workers etc for their customer base, it's highly probable that the situation will get worse before it gets better.

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