Speaking only for myself, I can say that I have not.
Speaking only for myself, I can say that I have not.
Actually I can say that I have never done that. Asking customers to pay your dance fees isn't a scam (although I've never done that either).
But if I had a lapse of judgment or great need and did do something like that - there is a difference between making a moral/ethical mistake, feeling bad and making the decision to not do it anymore and delightedly sharing stories of how you rob people. I don't love being propositioned 20 times a night - I haven't always been polite or nice to customers that do it. But I don't rob them because they piss me off.
I have taught that the sky in all its zones is mortal and its substance was formed by a process of birth




Originally Posted by metal_n_mitsu
I can't say I feel sorry for the guy. I think he got what he deserved. I guess I am bitter towards the male clientel since I got ripped off for $220 last night. So since that guy kinda stole from me, I have no sympathy for any man who "loses" his money. Point being I got robbed last night by a custy, and I know it has happend to all of us at some point, so what goes around comes around.





You know, shit like this going on in clubs just makes an honest dancer's job that much harder. If some of you are wondering why a lot of guys protest to prepaying for dances, well here ya go.
Next time I see a thread here in SG suggesting where all the nice spending good customers have gone, and why it seems dancers have nobody but cheap assholes to contend with anymore, I think that I'll just post a link to this one.
And that's all I'm gonna say about this. I'll be keeping my vitriol on the blue side where it belongs.
Former SCJ now in rehab.





Originally Posted by doc-catfish
I don't see what this has to do with prepaying for dances, or buying dances. He'd already gotten and paid for dances. This story is about him asking her to fuck him for money.





I don't feel bad for the guy bc he swore you were gonna be in his bed for $700.00 Who the f*ck does he think he is?
Anyway, but I agree with the fact that...that does give the club a bad reputation. And this incident will spread around now prob.





It has to do with the fact that the morally relative environment of a SC tends to do damage to one's conscience once they've been in it enough.Originally Posted by dlabtot
Once a dancer blurs the line of ethics by suggesting its okay to rip people off who ask for illegal services, its not that much of stretch for them to think that any customer is fair game for this type of scam. To such dancers, eventually all customers become johns. Customers who are willing to hand over their money upfront are eventually regarded as suckers.
Eventually the repulation of that dancer, or possibly even the club she works at will get around, and once it does decent customers (assuming they aren't totally spineless) who've gotten burned once or twice by a gal doing this will either stop going to the club or will clamp down on their spending while they're there. Now the non-tipping bums, the rip-off customers who get dances and don't pay for them? Hey they'll just keep on going and pulling their BS. I mean you can't get ROB'ed if you don't give it up after all, right?
Now, tell me how the above helps decent dancers make money?
Former SCJ now in rehab.
And - what clubs do you plan on working at in Phoenix?Originally Posted by metal_n_mitsu
All it takes is a few gals acting like this to ruin a club.
Thanks, you just saved me a few thousand.
And, by the way, most of the strippers here seem to work for a living. So do escorts.
Hookers hustle and steal. It's a very slippery slope when you start to violate basic ethics. Welcome to 'da club.
"Life is not about the number of breaths you take.
It's about those moments which leave you breathless."
To the customers, How to avoid getting ripped off in the strip club:
1. Ask the price of the dance before you purchase it.
2. If you are looking for a hooker, negotiate OTC prices...well, OTC.
3. When buying a series of dances, ask what song number you are on at the end of every song.
So, say for instance you tell your dancer you would like to purchase 10 lap dances at $25, your total is $250 before tip, right? If you ask her each and every song, how many songs you two have danced, there should be no misunderstanding.
Educate newbie customers to the strip club game on these points. There is no BBB for recourse against bad service providers.
Promote yourself and earn more money! This is a business that is owned by strippers for strippers. Let's make that money!
All I did in the situation was what ALL dancers do! We pretend, it's our job!! Ok, you smile and pretend you like guys to hustle them for dances right?? THAT'S PRETENDING which is a form of lying! All I did was the same exact thing! So![]()
I have never ripped anyone off, nor would I. If anyone hands me extra money (over $40) for dances (because my dances are expensive), I ask if they want change. They appreciate my sincerity and usually come back to buy more dances because my business practices are honest. You should treat your job as a stripper with the same ethics as you would treat a business you own.
I think the guy was wrong in assuming that you would have sex with him for money. That does not necessarily give you the right to pull a scam like that. Not only is it dangerous for your safety (regardless of a weapon you might be carrying), it hurts your image and the reputation of the club. Like Paris says, he can go tell his friends to not go to your club because a dancer there ripped him off. Guns can be fired at a far range. He doesn't have to approach you or make his presence known to aim a bullet at your head. He can slip a knife or gun past your door security, and you don't carry a gun in your g-string. Just because he handed you the money, it does not mean that he will think about what he did logically and all of a sudden learn a great life lesson about not being an asshole. Think about that. Your life is more precious than any amount of money.
It pisses me off too when someone thinks I'm a hooker, but ya know what? That's part of our job. You HAVE to build a tougher outer shell to protect you from these types of requests, without putting yourself in a bad light or a worse situation than you could be. The best solution to this sort of situation is to decline (even if you express your disgust) and walk AWAY. There is no reason to be volatile, and you can preserve your sanity without getting worked up and upset over it.
Chances are, the usual asshole customer wants to get you all worked up anyway. Don't give him any power.
The time wasted arguing with him and the bouncers could have been used to sell a VIP room.
And I wouldn't even bother dealing with someone who is soliciting you for prostitution. He could have been lying about who he is (as a lot of guys like to do) and the next guy you do this to might be a vice cop. Even if you don't physically commit the crime, they can bust you simply for agreeing to it.
If you KNOW the guy (say he is a regular you know and trust), you can always charge them a referral fee for hooking him up with one of the extras girls.
*sigh*
Mitsu, if you think "ALL dancers" do that, then you need to quit the club and go be a hooker for real. Our job is not to steal, nor to promise sex for money (whether or not we intend to follow through). Our job is to sell conversation, stage performances, and lapdances. He gives me money, I give him lapdance. That is an honest transaction. That may or may not involve acting on my part, but he gets what he pays for.
YOU ROBBED HIM, and there will be repercussions. What bothers me isn't so much that you fucked up - we all make mistakes and bad decisions - but that you are still gleeful and amused by it even though the consequences of your decision have been pointed out to you.





Originally Posted by Yekhefah
Exactly. It's the girls who "pretend" to be hookers that give men the wrong impression that they can even think that $700 will buy them sex.
Because there ain't no tits on the radio
You're telling me I'm gonna get shot cuz I hustle a guy out of 300 bucks? I will restate what I said earlier, for this guy, it's pocket change. AND he was from PITTSBURG lol, gone tomorrow, never to be seen by me again. So it really wasn't a big deal, but I refuse to fight on the forums because it's immature and really lame. So I'm going to go do something useful and not waste my time, you guys can rant and rave about how you think I'm "Unethical" or whatever you'd like, but I'm not going to sit and argue, it's just pointless.
We are not trying to argue with you because we have nothing better to do. We are simply concerned for your safety as well as the safety and ethics of other dancers. We are saying it's NOT okay to rip people off because there are repercussions. If you choose to ignore our advice, that is your fault, and you get what you deserve.
Do google search on the terms "armed robbery shooting", and you will quickly see that some folks do shoot each other over sums less than $20.Originally Posted by metal_n_mitsu
But you are probably correct, that he will never come back to your club again.
I would also like to add that although a lot of dancers (probably some who are silently reading here) do run scams. The customers have a name for them- ROB. Some are simple pickpockets, others run fraud scams, others do exactly what you did.
None brag about it on an open public internet forum!!
There is a very old saying in the sex trade: "You trick the Trik, before the Trik trick's you."
Promote yourself and earn more money! This is a business that is owned by strippers for strippers. Let's make that money!





again, i work in a club full of whores, and they know better than to just steal money from custys. it is a small club, and who knows what could happen. so nobody steals, and if they do what mitsu did, they get fired, not rewarded.
It wasn't too mature, or smart of you to post this story in a forum heavily weighted with Phoenix dancers and customers. If you're worried about wasting your time, you might rethink moving back here. All the local clubs and many of the dancers have read your post. Strippers don't have much patience for your types in their clubs - your attitude alone will drop the incomes of your shift-mates. Look forward to some catty chatter behind your back as the professionals try to distance themselves from your vibe in order to make a living. At best, they will treat you as invisible. But don't look for any high fives from the working crowd who respect the source of their income.Originally Posted by metal_n_mitsu
Although you are clearly a newbie to the world of stripping. Just chalk this up to a lesson learned.
Good strippers don't pretend to enjoy customers of all types, they LEARN to. If you can learn to, you'll bank without stealing. If not, there's a corner on VanBuren waiting for you.Originally Posted by metal_n_mitsu
"Life is not about the number of breaths you take.
It's about those moments which leave you breathless."
let her be... she made the decision she though was wise for her... it worked to her advantage.. no one was injured in the matter. sure i'm positive that guy was taken back a little by the incident, but hey sometimes when you're working its fair game... it a guy is going to be that vulnerable, then its his own damn fault... I think its wrong to keep lashing out at her....
Number one, I am good friends with almost all the girls in the club, and number two I make the most money out of all the girls at my club! Because I work my ass off every night I'm there. And BTW thanks Kamryn! I appreciate a little maturity and support. AND number three I am not taking advice from somebody who isn't even a dancer! duh. I'm gonna do what I"m gonna do and I happen to have a lot of regulars and money hasn't gone down. ACTUALLY when I told the girls in the dressing room what had happened they LAUGHED! SO you all are wrong, you may think you know everything but you don't. I'm going to continue doing what I do and I don't care what you all think. The topic is dead, over with!





i feel so sad for you. but, well, karma has a funny way of working itself out. you should be careful.
when i first read the post i was ammused by it probably becuse i was in a bitter mood becuse i had a rough nite with ass hole custy's but after reading the post you all wrote i agree it was wrong we should be careful what we do if we want to be treated with respect we should treat our custy's with respect no matter how repulsive they may be to us. Becuse if she would of handeled her situation differntly she could of sold dances to some of his freinds that may have noticed her class instead that is just about impossiable now.
az customers take note. her pic is in her avatar!

ok... it was wrong , BUT
I think this guy was wrong in a frist place to solicit sex in the club --- period. he asked to be f*ked and he got what he was asking for. serves him right for trying to turn A dancer into prostitute.
this really makes me angry, that there are men who wants dancers to do what prostitutes do. I get asked to do sex all the time. this is what's wrong in a frist place!
there is nowhere writen that we do have sex for money as dancers. he shoud go to escort to do that...
but instead we blame one dancer who dealed with it her own way in that moment.
i just needed to get this off my chest...
mm





^^Yet, all of us get asked (probably on a nightly basis) to have sex in some form or another. Do we handle it the same way the OP did? No, most of us dont. Many of us would try to get a dance out of the customer or leave him be.
Guys will never stop asking for sex. Ever. Being asked for sex on a nightly basis is just part of the casualties of the job. However, it is not part of the job to give into the sexual requests.
you live like an ivy vine
you can only survive by clinging onto trees
that's your flaw
put down some roots so you can stand on your own
-Kenpachi
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