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    Well, since we are talking in vague terms, true, but it depends what your job is. If you're a doctor performing a delicate surgery that you've spent several years practicing and perfecting, telling the pundits to go away makes sense. If on the othe hand you're job is an actor, or entertainer, or let's say a comedian, and your audience is telling you, hey, you're material is just not funny to us it would probably be a good idea to listen. Picking up on the doctor analogy again, it's commonly said that not all doctors have an equal "bed-side manner" - while any number of doctors might be able to treat a patient, not all are in touch with what patients are going through. A stripper might be able to go through the moves, and yet still be completely out of touch with what's going on in the customer's heads. Just because she can do the moves, and make the money, it doesn't mean she has a good sense of the personal dynamics. Jenny's argument that they are the strippers, and therefore the experts is an all or nothing argument, but it's not correct. They are all strippers true, but not all of them are experts in how the business side of things work, or in understand customer mentality. While most understand the side of the business and aspects of customers that affect them, that doesn't necessarily make them experts on running a club, or experts on understanding how their customers think. Some strippers clearly do understand these things better then others. I'd say some are 'experts' more then others. But my guess is most of the real experts in understanding customers, are experts because they don't completely shut out customer input.

    What strippers are experts in is understanding what it's like to be a stripper, definitely understanding the parts about the job that sucks. That no customer really fully gets of course.

    Anyway, I lost track of the "expertise in my job analogy" and how it applies to ripping off a customer for $350, other then to say that as a group, it would seem many of the pinkies approved of that move. And it's not like customers don't get ripped of in a million different ways in other lines of work, but we still don't have to approve of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage
    Jenny's argument that they are the strippers, and therefore the experts is an all or nothing argument, but it's not correct.
    oh, fu#k her argument. look, it's real simple. this ain't SW...period. you guys aren't trained lapdogs. so, no f#cking stripper can come down here and pull her "i'm a stripper" card out of her ass and use it on a customer when she feels they're overstepping their boundaries. especially, when said strippers are constantly overstepping a customer's boundaries. if they don't like it...tough titties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    oh, fu#k her argument. look, it's real simple. this ain't SW...period. you guys aren't trained lapdogs. so, no f#cking stripper can come down here and pull her "i'm a stripper" card out of her ass and use it on a customer when she feels they're overstepping their boundaries. especially, when said strippers are constantly overstepping a customer's boundaries. if they don't like it...tough titties.
    I'm sorry, what are you going on about?
    I'm a stripper. Therefore for all the reasons I listed at some point above I very likely know more about the workings of the industry than you do. You conceded as much already (although naturally you had to add an "I don't care about the industry". Fine. You don't have to. You still don't know). So why is my argument being fucked? Are you just trying to rile me up? Are you feeling neglected, like everyone is suddenly hating on someone else? Are you losing your sense of your virtual self?

    Well, I don't really care.
    I've also told strippers to get her tits out and spread her ass cheeks. you see, i can do this because i'm the customer. so, this goes under the heading of what i WANT. it's not about what she wants. like you said, customers are experts in what they want, right? unless, you're trying to tell that now you're the expert in what i want. well, it wouldn't be the first time.
    This fails miserably as an argument because (as I've pointed out before) you are not telling me any of these things as my customer. You telling me things in a general way that you think strippers should behave. Hence: advice, not a customer preference. So. Yes you are the expert in what you want (spread your ass cheeks) but we've readily established that you are not an expert in general, and are not really all that in touch with what most guys want. So what is that particular commentary for?

    Further - most of the way we "tell you guys how to behave" has to do with elementary courtesy and decency. I don't think anyone has come down here and said seriously "You should spend thousands of dollars in airdances". The closest I've read to that is "After a girl has given you a $40 blowjob it is polite to tip". I mean, you guys frequently disassociate strippers from the category of "humans" so you very likely have no idea of how despicably some of you sometimes behave.

    BTW - stripper "wants" don't really enter this argument except insofar as we want you to shut the fuck up on SW. All I said is that it is not really reasonable for customer to assume that they know more about the industry, the working of the industry etc., than we do.

    Jay - the person doing the job probably knows the most about doing the job? And may welcome and/or tolerate advice from colleagues but not from the public in general? Did I get it right?
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    Jenny, actually there have been a number of pink dancers who have come down here posting their rules of polite customer behavior or telling us what dogs we are for not being satisfied with their artistry. But, by and large, most of the dancers of that ilk stay upstairs where they are most comfortable and where we are happy for them to be.

    Ive kind lost track of the back and forth to be honest. The fact that you as a dancer know more about your business perspective than we do and the fact that we as customers know more about our business perspective than you do seems to have been lost in the shuffle.

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    Mmm, these kind of debates fuel my gummy peaches cravings. But I'm going to save my lard and sugar consumption for tomorrow. Now, back to your regularly sequitered programming...

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    Kat tomorrow will definitley be fat Thursday. Im sure I will overeat. But that is the price you pay to get the kids to finally come over and put up with the old man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR
    Jenny, actually there have been a number of pink dancers who have come down here posting their rules of polite customer behavior or telling us what dogs we are for not being satisfied with their artistry. But, by and large, most of the dancers of that ilk stay upstairs where they are most comfortable and where we are happy for them to be.
    Okay, I realize that coming down here and telling you guys not to touch the dancers is a waste that a few (mostly non-frequent posters, if I've noted correctly - but I could be mistaken) girls have made. Blah, blah, blah, go to hookers, blah, blah, blah (although, I really don't think there has ever been a truly satisfactory answer to why you go to strip clubs if you're only interested in a particularly high level of mileage. Just a lot of hedging). But mostly: go to strip clubs and plan to actually patronize and pay for the service you're enjoying; don't touch girls without permission. Isn't that the vast majority of the hectoring? Don't sexually touch people without permission and pay for that which you patronize.

    Ive kind lost track of the back and forth to be honest. The fact that you as a dancer know more about your business perspective than we do and the fact that we as customers know more about our business perspective than you do seems to have been lost in the shuffle.

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    Certainly; I readily concede that a customer knows more about his experience as a customer than I do. However, again, I'm not making lawnmowers. I deliver a specific service and am, unlike a maker of lawnmowers, in a position to ask (for example) you "So, FBR, where do you want me?" and then ask (for example) GenWar the same thing, and deliver equally well both times, despite the fact that you may want entirely different things. So because there is no real need for a generalized, standardized product, there is no need for a generalized standardized customer experience (again, unlike lawn mowers). So, while I'm not arguing that you know what you want as a customer, your experience is specific to you; it isn't an industry wide thing. Further, you, as a customer, are in a position to know exactly what you want as a customer, but you are still not in the industry. Like I know what I like in a veggie burger; I hardly think that gives me a "business perspective" (except in the loosest possible sense) in the food industry (and they can't deliver a tailored product. They just have to find some quantum of what most people like, deliver one or two. Imagine if before each person ate a veggie burger they could say "so, how do you like veggie burgers?" or better yet, "How do you like veggie burgers TODAY?"). The people who have valid industry perspective (except in a general "focus group" kind of way) are the people IN the industry.

    Hmm. I seriously doubt this helped to add any clarity to the back and forth.

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    Just a quick response to your philosphical question about why customers do what they do, Im reminded of a hilarious track on an old 1960's comedy album by Bill Cosby. The title of the track is "Why is their air?" It is funny as hell but the bottom line was that who the fuck knows? It is what it is.

    Reading your analogies about lawnmowers and veggie burgers (several times ), I dont disagree other than I did detect (maybe I was wrong) that you view the customer experience so varied and inconsistent that its impossible for us to feel any degree of uninimity whereas the stripper experience is uniform and that you can all march in sisterhood driven lock step, content in the knowledge that ya'll know exactly where we custys are coming from. Maybe Im reading more into what you said than what you said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    I'm a stripper. Therefore for all the reasons I listed at some point above I very likely know more about the workings of the industry than you do. You conceded as much already (although naturally you had to add an "I don't care about the industry". Fine. You don't have to. You still don't know). So why is my argument being fucked?
    your argument is fucked because you think this is SW. it's not SW. in fact, i recall you being quite irritated when i pulled out the "i'm a customer" card act on you. it seems you didn't like the taste of your own medicine. all i'm saying is that if you feel perfectly free to overstep your bounds. i don't see why a customer shouldn't feel free to do the same.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Further - most of the way we "tell you guys how to behave" has to do with elementary courtesy and decency.
    see, there you go again. that's another classic example of how a stripper oversteps her boundaries by correcting the unwashed masses. anyway, i'll have you know my mother did a fine job of educating me on elementary courtesy and decency in the cave with the other wolves.
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    The closest I've read to that is "After a girl has given you a $40 blowjob it is polite to tip".
    only if she swallows....maybe.
    Quote Originally Posted by FBR
    Jenny, actually there have been a number of pink dancers who have come down here posting their rules of polite customer behavior or telling us what dogs we are for not being satisfied with their artistry.
    exactly, FBR. frankly, some of them act as if it's their job to educate the rubes who just fell off the turnip truck and never been to a sc in their life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR
    Reading your analogies about lawnmowers and veggie burgers (several times )
    I know. I make no sense. It's sad being me.

    I dont disagree other than I did detect (maybe I was wrong) that you view the customer experience so varied and inconsistent that its impossible for us to feel any degree of uninimity whereas the stripper experience is uniform and that you can all march in sisterhood driven lock step, content in the knowledge that ya'll know exactly where we custys are coming from. Maybe Im reading more into what you said than what you said.

    FBR
    Now FBR. That would be silly of me. And I just don't make rhetorical errors. However, to go back to my hypothetical of moving between you and GenWar - I have then experienced both of you, while each of you have still only experienced yourselves. Like, yes, obviously dancers are qualitatively different, but you, as customers, know, is how to (or how to not) get what you want out of a stripper. Whereas a stripper knows (or doesn't know) how to deliver to a variety of customers. And ultimately - I deal with like 10 000 guys. You just deal with you.
    So the stripper experience isn't uniform (as I've said, but I can see how it might seem a corollary to what I said about lawnmowers. Wait... oh fuck. You know what I mean) but it is universal insofar as it is their job, they deal with a variety of situations that customers don't deal with... etc. In a nutshell - it's their job. Of course they know about it. And this is not really a huge thing - it was a brief aside when a guy commented on pinkies living in a fantasy world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    your argument is fucked because you think this is SW. it's not SW.
    Well, okay, we can just get this out of the way right now and get along.
    I know. The colours change and everything.

    in fact, i recall you being quite irritated when i pulled out the "i'm a customer" card act on you.
    Well, I don't know exactly what you are referring to, but it is not valid for all purposes. For example - being a stripper does not (as you point out) enable me to tell you what you like in a stripper. I may enable me, however, to tell you what MOST guys, or what guys generally, like in a stripper. So, your customer card is legitimate to tell me what you like; not how the industry works, and certainly not how I should behave with customers other than you, let alone on a message board on which you are not paying me to put up with your crap. Seriously. You constantly trot out the fact that I'm a stripper, while neglecting that we are not interacting as stripper and customer or you would be paying me. If you were paying me I *might* consider - just consider, mind you - being a little more pliant.

    it seems you didn't like the taste of your own medicine. all i'm saying is that if you feel perfectly free to overstep your bounds. i don't see why a customer shouldn't feel free to do the same.
    I think I've made it clear that I think I'm well within my bounds, and I've explicated why I think that.
    see, there you go again. that's another classic example of how a stripper oversteps her boundaries by correcting the unwashed masses.
    Okay. Please accept this advice, not from me as a stripper or even a woman, but as a human being. Don't sexually touch people without permission or consent.

    anyway, i'll have you know my mother did a fine job of educating me on elementary courtesy and decency in the cave with the other wolves.
    Hmm. Not for nothing - but everyone thinks their mother did a fine job. Some people must be wrong. I would posit that strenuous argument regarding the above statement ("Don't sexually touch people without permission or consent") not to mention the fact that you disregard it because it comes from a stripper would indicate that your wolfy education was perhaps not as satisfactory as you claim.

    In a nutshell - maybe it didn't take.

    exactly, FBR. frankly, some of them act as if it's their job to educate the rubes who just fell off the turnip truck and never been to a sc in their life.
    Yes. "Pay for services that you utilize", "Don't sexually assault women". Real onerous demands there. Very difficult to operate under. And very contentious in most circles. And certainly specialized knowledge that only a stripper could tell you. Seriously - you're just like x. You don't even know what you're arguing. You just don't like anyone paying attention to anyone else. Do you want a hug? Because I'm totally not going to do it. But Jay or FBR might. Being mods and all; it might be some kind of duty.
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    Well I agee that experiencing me and Gen would in fact be vastly differing experiences requiring different rules of engagement. He's younger, likely better looking, makes smoking a cigar attractive even in this anti tobacco day and age, and based on his posts has more playmoney than even I do. And is most likely a nicer person. But taking that a step further and relating it to interacting with strippers, I know full well that my own rules of engagement and behavior would be drastically different when interacting with you (hypothetically of course) as compared to, say, Miss D. I'm sure if I ever visited you at your club and sought out your services you would give me good value within the scope of the dollars I was spending, the rules of your club and your personal ethos. On the other hand I get no mileage from Miss D in the club. Said mileage is deferred to other times and places. Yet I can behave equally well in both senarios despite the drastically different circumstances. And I dont think Im that atypical.

    Im not sure I made a point at all but I think I know what I mean ever if I didnt state it so well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR
    I'm sure if I ever visited you at your club and sought out your services you would give me good value within the scope of the dollars I was spending, the rules of your club and your personal ethos. On the other hand I get no mileage from Miss D in the club.
    What?
    I'm sorry, so what are you trying to say about me and mileage?






    I'm kidding. I'm actually going to have a e-session, so I can't respond in full. But I had to get at least a little bit offended or I would no longer be pink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Well, I don't know exactly what you are referring to, but it is not valid for all purposes.
    bzzzt wrong. that make you what? 0 for 6?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    For example - being a stripper does not (as you point out) enable me to tell you what you like in a stripper.
    it also doesn't enable you to tell customers how to spend his money. yet, it's never stopped you from telling how to spend his money.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    I think I've made it clear that I think I'm well within my bounds, and I've explicated why I think that.
    so, go ahead. however, don't take issue with a customer who does the same to you. he's well within his bounds as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Okay. Please accept this advice, not from me as a stripper or even a woman, but as a human being.
    no, i don't need an advice from a stripper. so, go up to CC and sell your kool-aid to some rube who will be impressed with your "insider's" knowledge.
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    Hmm. Not for nothing - but everyone thinks their mother did a fine job. Some people must be wrong.
    well, you would know about being wrong. it seems you're the expert on being wrong on this thread.
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    Jenny LOL Well I cant imagine you and I having a conversation about where we are going to have lunch before hitting the RR this coming Saturday. Not that RR with you is an unpleasant thought...just an unrealistic one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    look, it's real simple. this ain't SW...period. you guys aren't trained lapdogs. so, no f#cking stripper can come down here and pull her "i'm a stripper" card out of her ass and use it on a customer when she feels they're overstepping their boundaries. especially, when said strippers are constantly overstepping a customer's boundaries. if they don't like it...tough titties.
    /nod

    The blue side site feels like it's being policed by the SW side for political correctness, stripper correctness, and feminism correctness - I.E. it feels more like a purple site then a blue site much of the time.

    As a side point, I (and I suspect this is true of a lot of guys) spend the majority of my life being PC correct, behaving in socially acceptable ways, etc.

    The whole point of going to a SC is to put that aside for a few hours, have a drink, and enjoy my inner pirate. And I don't think the majority of strippers get that at all, including J as was evidenced by her rantings about the evils of being objectified in a SC. They want us to treat them like ladies, like we are out on a date, like the PL worshiping bitch boys that grovel for their attention OTC. And that's just reverse PLism to me.

    And for example, the original thread that the Gen linked - the girl was so terribly offended at being propositioned... it's clear she had no clue at all why most guys go to the club. What she should have laughed off if she had a clue, proved that she's just as big a PL as the customers that can't separate real life from the entertainment that goes on in an SC. What many of the SW crowd doesn't get is that if I wanted a date I'd go out on a date. If I wanted to be gentlemen, if I wanted to act just like I do OTC, I wouldn't be in the clubs paying for it.

    I'm very sure that the majority of strippers are ever bit as much the PLs as the customers; completely unable to separate real life norms from the entertainment that goes on in the clubs. Both take it far too seriously, and (all words aside) really don't get that it's just entertainment. For the customers, they end up in having real feelings for the stripppers. For the stripppers, they end up having real (often negative) feelings for the customers. Same coin, different sides, both clueless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR
    whereas the stripper experience is uniform and that you can all march in sisterhood driven lock stepp
    Actually I'd say a lot of my issues start right there, mixing "sisterhood" with the job of stripping.

    But outside of the stripping realm, I for example work in a field that is predominately male, and yet it never enters anyone's miind that the job is related to "brotherhood". A female is welcome as long as she can do the work. A guy is unwelcome if he can't do the work.

    The desire to confuse sexism (female side) with the job of stripping is J's and many other's strippers desire, but outside of that realm I'd say the majority of people in the majority of jobs have long since gotten over thinking about sex in the work place - we just do our jobs, and don't really give a shit about sexism - we're getting paid to do a job, not to solve the world's problems.

    And of interest, I know many women that think strippers, well sexworkers in general, undermine the "sisterhood". But as a customer, the sisterhood or brotherhood is the last thing on my mind when I'm in the clubs. I'm just paying to have a good time for a few hours.

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    Jenny LOL Well I cant imagine you and I having a conversation about where we are going to have lunch before hitting the RR this coming Saturday. Not that RR with you is an unpleasant thought...just an unrealistic one

    FBR
    I was going more for a "What are you talking about? I don't DO mileage. I am saving myself my marriage, preferably to a Christian rock star, would never defile myself by letting some CUSTOMER touch me."
    I don't think it worked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    Hmmm, russians love to eat rabbits. I don't care for the taste myself. My mom never prepared it when I was growing up after seeing her own mom butcher a cute little bunny in front of her eyes. Oh, the long fuzzy ears, oh my!
    They have such cute little faces. I mean at least chickens aren't cute. When they're adults. My friend's baby refuses to eat meat. Took to all the vegetables, won't eat meat. He's about 11 months old. I suggested it was an ethical stance.

    Dear hunting season is all about it right now in Texas. Most of us get a taste when we hit them with our cars accidently. As long as I don't have to kill it myself, I'm eating it!
    One of the places I was in the states the deer were regularly hit by trucks. They more or less seemed to just explode on impact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage
    I'm very sure that the majority of strippers are ever bit as much the PLs as the customers; completely unable to separate real life norms from the entertainment that goes on in the clubs. Both take it far too seriously, and (all words aside) really don't get that it's just entertainment. For the customers, they end up in having real feelings for the stripppers. For the stripppers, they end up having real (often negative) feelings for the customers. Same coin, different sides, both clueless.
    To put it tactfully - utter rubbish.

    I know a number of dancers outside of work (three well, several others as casual friends). I also know a significant number of dancers well enough at work that we dispense with the usual dancer/customer BS and hold a perfectly normal conversation despite the somewhat unusual environment.

    The great majority of them are perfectly normal people away from work. Of the dancers I know well, two are studying (marine biology and psychology respectively) and one runs her own on-line business. Two of the three are banking a good part of the money they earn, and one of those already owns significant investments. The third is a travel freak, and dances to get the money to visit assorted far flung parts of the globe. Ditto the others - several already have degrees and/or investments.

    They tend to be perfectly normal individuals who view the guys who come to watch them dance with wry amusement. (Guys who chase mileage/behave like assholes get viewed slightly differently).

    Away from work, I'd struggle to see any difference in behaviour from girls who do a more conventional job. Sure, from time to time they get upset and behave emotionally, but that's generally nothing to do about work - and no different is amount from any other girl.

    Yeah, if I put my mind to it, I can think of a few who are unable to "unable to separate real life norms from the entertainment that goes on in the clubs", but then I know a number of other girls who don't dance who can be drama queens as well.

    The great majority of dancers are perfectly conventional individuals who do an unconventional job. Outside of work, they generally forget about what they do from the time they leave the venue, until the time they go back for the next shift.

    Customers (in general) are the poeple who pay their wages and they couldn't care less about them when they're not working. The average dancer gives very little thought to the guys they dance for - they're $$$'s - end of story.

    Sorry if that doesn't meet your preconceptions, but thst's the way it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil-W
    To put it tactfully - utter rubbish.

    ...snipped phil's sucking up comments...

    Sorry if that doesn't meet your preconceptions, but thst's the way it is.

    Phil.
    Oh, I forgot, you are an expert on all strippers because you know some that are (you believe) well adjusted.

    So next time a stripper rips off a customer who shocks her sensibilities by propositioning her, or comes down to SCJ to ask is "is this how you guys really think?" in emotional shock over some customer comment or action that she wouldn't tolerate from her BF, or is having a bad emotional day because some customer objectified her while she banks multiple $20 bills while the customer stares at her tits, or is emotionally offended because some of her customers aren't "gentlemen", I'll send her to you Phil. Then you can repeat all of the suck up comments to them, about how the strippers you drive home from work are perfectly normal individuals, and how that means most must be. Why maybe if you write all that again, maybe some more dancers will let you drive them home!

    All that said, don't get too hung up on the word "majority" - lets just say some then, because I doubt either of us is an expert on the actual figures. But I do think you'd be surprised how many girls enter the business every year and it's a long time before they grow out of their PL phase.
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    Most dancers I know don't fit the coked out wild party girl cliché either, but enough do to give the cliché some validity. Or it could be that I avoid the party girls like the plague. I have enough drama in my life.
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    Well, honey: a lot of dancers are a lot younger than a lot of guys that patronize dancers. Take a 20 year girl, put her in a "party" environment - guess what? She might have a little party. Girls at 30 a little less inclined to do a ton of shots (honestly? I'll still do a couple. As long as they're far apart), and generally party up. Guys I realize don't alter this way with age - they either party professionally for life, or never do it (I'm kidding. I'm sure all your remember... stuff from when you were 20). So maybe the error is that it is not so much a "stripper" cliche, as a young woman cliche? The first bar I worked in for a long time - all the dancers were very young and very new and in retrospect it seems perfectly obvious that we thought we were having a slumber party. Like tequila, pizza and loud music, man.
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    Jenny called me Honey!!

    Yeah, I suppose it could be like a pizza, tequila, and loud music party, but you’re leaving out the grinding and the body fluids. Or maybe your slumber parties aren't very naughty. I do get what your saying, if I was a 20 year-old stripper making 300 to 400 a night (Hey, I can dream can't I) I'd be enjoying myself too. But I was really referring to women who most objective observers would say are already well down the road to addition.

    Oh Yes, I’m also disgustingly old, perverted, and loathsome.
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