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    It's starting to get to me. I was in the club yesterday, looking around at all the girls: cute little things hustling, sitting and dancing. Then I took a look at all the custies: drinking, old farty undesirables.
    These unpleasant creatures were constantly turning down the attention of women they would drool over in real life. They acted put out if a girl offered to sit at their table. They practically had to be begged into dances, and forget VIP.
    The social reversal is starting to bug me. It's starting to grate that I get turned down for dances when I know these guys would kill to date a girl half as hot. It feels like a goddamn cattle call, ass for sale everywhere. I don't mind being a dancer; I actually quite like it. What I mind is the false sense of entitlement and self-importance these guys display.
    Just had to see if I'm the only one who's irked by this.

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    It's what they pay for, why they come in. (Not all of course) But a vast majority...they go from being an ugly fat slob that none of us would notice, to being the man who has what we all want..granted it's only his money, but he can fantasize more. It's their chance to feel they have the power and control (with pretty women) they wish they had in real life. Doesn't really bother me, let them have their glory of turning down the hottest girl to say ever say "hi" to them. Besides, maybe they just don't have the money...

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    THAT, honey, is the fantasy of which we speak. That they get to choose (I wonder how this fits in with Nic's insistence on evolutionary theory, and how function within the choosy female paradigm), and that they are in CHARGE.
    I have taught that the sky in all its zones is mortal and its substance was formed by a process of birth

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    ^^agree. These same guys probably drive sexy sports cars, too. Isn't it just so dissappointing to see Mr. Midlife Crisis step out of some sexy car? As if the sex appeal of the car itself will actually rub off on the man driving it and make him irresistable.

    Lately I've noticed some very male sexuality focused advertizing on late night tv. I don't watch TV unless I'm in a motel room, and then it is usually afterwork, so around 2:30am and later.

    These adds focus on our primary customer base. They are saying things like "Buy her a Vermont Teddybear. It's a sure thing!" While the female actress rubs this teddy bear all over her ample clevege, giving the nerdy guy fuck-me eyes.

    There's another one selling fitness equipment. This 40 something man who had rippling muscles is pitching this thing. The actor even says that he is bedding 20 year old women!! Whatever...

    Then these guys come into our club after watching these adds depicting women as wanting them, only if they buy the right product. I'm sure the actor in the fitness commertial would be able to date just about any woman he wants-provided that he is charming as well as handsome.

    Then there is the fact that men enjoy a challenge. There is no challenge when going to a strip club, so maybe a "take away" close will bump these guys in the right direction. There's nothing wrong with playing a little bit of hard-to-get. I also think the customer will light up at the prospect of a challenge. He knows the dancers want money, but he wants to believe that the girls are truly interested in them. Saying something to the customer like "Wow, I think you are really great. I don't think I can dance for you though, because I respect you too much." All while giving him the fuck-me eyes.

    You'll have him begging for dances in a short time.


    Promote yourself and earn more money! This is a business that is owned by strippers for strippers. Let's make that money!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris
    ^^agree. These same guys probably drive sexy sports cars, too. Isn't it just so dissappointing to see Mr. Midlife Crisis step out of some sexy car? As if the sex appeal of the car itself will actually rub off on the man driving it and make him irresistable.
    Seriously!! It's all about compensation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rozz
    It's starting to get to me. I was in the club yesterday, looking around at all the girls: cute little things hustling, sitting and dancing. Then I took a look at all the custies: drinking, old farty undesirables.
    Just like you value yourself based on looks, they value themselves based on their money. It's all superficial, so you can't really consider one group better than the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rozz
    drinking, old farty undesirables.... false sense of entitlement and self-importance these guys display.
    ...maybe they are older unemployed/broke druggie wannabe musicians reliving the dream they had 20 years earlier. ...just a thought, hahaha.
    "Peter, did you take Stewie to a strip-club? He smells like sweat and fear." - Lois and Stewie (Family Guy) ... "Through early morning fog I see, Visions of the things to be, The pains that are withheld for me, I realize and I can see..."

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    Yes, I have toootaly been in your shoes! It sucks! They are lucky we would even say a word to them! And what made me even more angry was that I was noticing alot of gurls in my club offering these asshols "deals" on there private dances. "a two for one" or alot of contact, so much contact I dont even want to think about it bacause Ill end up gagging. lol. ANd the guys would STILL be up on their high horse! Its like.. FUCK YOU IM OUTTA HERE!! So I left. lol. That was one of the hugest reasons why I emptied out my locker! Because, a few years ago, Not ALL the men were like this. They were actually very pleasent to be around. I miss them days alot ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily
    Just like you value yourself based on looks, they value themselves based on their money. It's all superficial, so you can't really consider one group better than the other.
    Not better or worse but different. Beautiful women are many rich men are few. Handsome rich men are even fewer. Handsome rich men who would buy dancers are even fewer.

    The trick to making money is to make the men who are not rich and handsome think they are rich and handsome. That unfortunately means treating the not handsome rich men like they are handsome and making the un rich men feel like they are rich and handsome.

    Or you could wait for the rich and handsome guy who wanted to buy a dance to wander in the club and then concentrate on him but that might be a long wait.

    Of course if you are a beautiful woman with intelligence and drive and capable of attracting a rich handsome man why are you working in a strip club?

    Perhaps the beautiful women who work in strip clubs are the appropriate match for the customers who frequent strip clubs.



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    Yes, it's all mind games & appearing to NOT see the customer as a walking ATM. For most of my life I was a total small town-middle class girl who was just THRILLED to be considered sexy enough to strip. I think people found that charming because a lot of dancers carry themselves like divas. (BUT there was a corresponding lack of high rollers for me because I wasn't "marketing" to that niche.)

    I think another factor is that the average 13-to-18 year-old American female dresses like a hoecake these days.......It takes away from the in da club sexy factor when Joe Shmoe can fantasize about barely clothed jailbait walking down the street.

    Edit: re: mark45y's post: bitter much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark45y
    Of course if you are a beautiful woman with intelligence and drive and capable of attracting a rich handsome man why are you working in a strip club?

    Perhaps the beautiful women who work in strip clubs are the appropriate match for the customers who frequent strip clubs.
    yeah, why be independent when you can just sponge off a guy? I seriously haven't thought this through.

    I don't understand the second statement. You do realize that dancers and customers are at a strip club for different reasons, right?

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    Is one really so independent when one is so dependent on men and what they think of your look? Can you sell what you are selling to women (en mass)?

    I mean, reading through some of these - the girls with "regulars" and fighting over them - makes one wonder how "independent" being a stripper really is.

    (Mark's remark leaves me smarting even!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    Is one really so independent when one is so dependent on men and what they think of your look? Can you sell what you are selling to women (en mass)?

    I mean, reading through some of these - the girls with "regulars" and fighting over them - makes one wonder how "independent" being a stripper really is.

    (Mark's remark leaves me smarting even!)
    Just because I depend on customers, it doesn't make me a dependent. it's kind of the nature of sales.

    Your argument that I couldn't sell to women is so ridiculous. It's a niche market. This is Sales 101 material but it seems difficult for a few of you to grasp. So let me know if I'm going too fast.

    And same for the regulars comment. Lots of people in sales/service industry rely on repeat business.

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    Naaaawww.... to quote Lily Burana's observation about how the girls at Peepland in NYC laughed about customers, the men are "fools. Their fools." As long as a man has an uncontrollable itch to squirt a load of semen everyday with some novel new target, whether real or not.....sex biz workers will always have "fools."

    It would shock you how degraded men can become for their desires. I don't mean degrading others. Themselves. UH, or maybe it might not shock. I'm preaching to the choir here.

    (PS What's with blue ballers throwing themselves on their swords on here? Don't you all have some new Internet porn to look for?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    Is one really so independent when one is so dependent on men and what they think of your look? Can you sell what you are selling to women (en mass)?
    You can't sell OB/GYN services to men either - it doesn't mean that the doctors are "sponging" off women or that they are not independant. Independant (in this context) has very specific meaning - it does NOT mean that one is an island. We realize that. Auto worker depend on their plants and the consumers that buy cars; cleaners depend on the people who require cleaners, etc. There is a difference between selling a service to men and being dependant on a man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark45y
    Not better or worse but different. Beautiful women are many rich men are few. Handsome rich men are even fewer. Handsome rich men who would buy dancers are even fewer.

    The trick to making money is to make the men who are not rich and handsome think they are rich and handsome. That unfortunately means treating the not handsome rich men like they are handsome and making the un rich men feel like they are rich and handsome.

    Or you could wait for the rich and handsome guy who wanted to buy a dance to wander in the club and then concentrate on him but that might be a long wait.

    Of course if you are a beautiful woman with intelligence and drive and capable of attracting a rich handsome man why are you working in a strip club?

    Perhaps the beautiful women who work in strip clubs are the appropriate match for the customers who frequent strip clubs.


    Why would an intellegent woman work in a strip club? .. For your information, Some of the most intellegent women I have ever known have been dancers. --Do you think people who work at Burger King or working some 9-5 job making 7$ an hour are more intelllegent? Or do you only think people who have their mommy/daddy pay their chidren's way through college are acceptable? You know something.. Out of my own self respect,I would much rather be my OWN boss, walk out of my club every day/night w/ the amount of somebodys "weekly paycheck". And pay my own way through college instead depending on others or the government & getting caught up in the debt/stress which most americans are going through. So, If you feel dancers are not intellegent for their independence.. YOU are completely JUDGING people who you completely dont even know. Listen Mark, you are NOT superior over anybody here. ---But thank u 4 ur oppinion about dancers.

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    Thanks for all your thoughts. I guess I was just feeling irked about the meat-markety-ness of it all. I like my job and I am good at what I do, but sometimes when an undesirable turns me down (after several other have as well), or gets too touchy during a dance, I just want to remind them of the natural order of things. I suppose I forget it's all just an elaborately crafted fantasy for which they foot the bill. They pay for the idea of me, not for the actual me.

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