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    So tonight I'm upset. This guy came in tonight and we were having a great conversation on the floor... he asks about VIP, and I don't know the rates for a half hour in there. (The Vip room is rarely used... one girl in there a night is average and doesn't always occur) I asked the manager about this (telling him that this guy just wanted to talk to me for half an hour). He tells me that it's $75 for half an hour, and that on top of that, the dances are $40/song (as always) with $10 going to the house per song. So we go in VIP... the manager takes the $75 at the start. I have a great conversation with this guy for half an hour, with him buying me drinks and not interested in any dances, just conversation... he gives me $20 at the end as a tip. After the half hour the guy leaves.

    I asked the manager for my money and he says that it all goes to the house; it's my own fault for getting cheated by this guy and not getting him to spend any more money. He said that I should have already arranged to get a separate flat rate for time spent talking and that I wasted that half hour when I could have been spending that time selling dances on the floor. However, he didn't tell me this when I was asking about rates. It completely sucked for me... I know to some girls that $75 isn't much at all, but at our club the VIP room is rarely used and it's a treat for everyone to go in there. The guy had said he had brought $200 in with him to spend and tipped everyone very generously, both the bar staff and on stage. He had told me that he wanted to give the money directly to us and not to the club and I'm upset that ultimately I didn't see any of it.

    Anyway, I ended up crying a whole bunch and my night was totally soured. Luckily I'm out of there, I'm home, and I am taking tomorrow night OFF. Bla. It really sucks when club policy isn't really explained, doesn't really fit the pattern of the regular club workings, and when it cheats me out of money that both myself and the customer thought was going to me and not to the club.

    (I'll also say that the potential here, barring regulars, on a Sunday night, is about one-two standard dances an hour. It would be not easy for me to get those 3-4 dances in a half hour period.)

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    Wtf? That's crap! I mean, I don't think it sounds like the manager tried to rip you off- maybe didn't explain things properly though- but I can see why girls don't normally go in there! There's no benefit...actually, it's probably way harder to sell dances in there because the guy already wants some value for his $75.

    Awful. Honestly, change clubs if you can; a club with rules that make no financial sense for the dancer is a club to be avoided. You can't trust them to do anything right if they can't even figure out a little cost-benefit analysis.

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    I'm sorry sweetie. I know it's frustrating but instead of getting too hard on yourself, take this as a learning experience. You learned from this and now you know not to do it this way and figure out a new way. Each night I go in I learn something new to do or not to do which will help my earning potential. It even helps to write things down in a journal on what helped you and what hurt you so you'll know in the future on what to do. But in this business I'm learning real quick you need to stand your ground and that customer should have given you more than $20 for the half hour! But I think that's crappy of the club too. If they're going to have a vip room, they need to also make it mandatory that the customer spend a minimum amount on the dancer in there too. My club charges $200 per hour to the customer to rent the room and then an additional $250 to the dancer. If you absolutely can't change clubs then take this as a learning experience and do something different to make more money. Maybe even write down some goals that you could try out to see if it works and if it doesn't, try another goal until you find your thing.

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    I'm confused....from what you wrote it sounds like he did explain it. But even if he didn't, but wouldn't it make more sense that VIPs cost more than regular dances. If dances are $40/song, why would a 30 min VIP be $75? I mean, if that were the case, then they'd be frequent and the club wouldn't take their money up front.

    And don't take a night off work because of this. Even if you did get that $75, you will earn more than that tonight.

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    I don't think that policy is fair to the custy i mean they spend 75 and the should aleast get a dance for one song i mean they are going to pay money to get husled for in money in private what a rip.

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    a lot of clubs have "their cut" and you are on your own to collect your fee

    $75 for a half hour VIP is cheap! he should expect to pay more.

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    I guess what I really learned is why girls never like going into VIP! I hadn't understood that I wouldn't get any of the VIP time money since the manager specified that the house would get cuts out of all of the dances I did and I had already told the manager that we were just going to sit and talk (we spent fifteen minutes talking about fantasy novels!)... so when the manager told me how foolish I had been for not getting dance money during that time period, he made me feel like much more of a dumbass than I actually think I am. Additionally when I told a few other girls last night they were pretty surprised, too... they had never done a straight half hour block in the VIP and none of them knew how it worked, either! That's a testament to how infrequently it's used, except for going in, doing 1-2 songs and then leaving. However, barring that, my club is a great place to work and it's really the only negative experience (due to club management, not the customers) I've had here.

    I normally take Tuesdays off but had already made plans to take Monday (today) off to spend time with my friends. Then additionally having such a bad end to my night really reinforced what a good choice that was! I already know I'll just go back into work tomorrow and if I run into another guy who just wants to have a great conversation and is upfront about spending money on me, I'll just make sure to get generously tipped for my time. And also, since it's the end of the month and I made all of my goals for the month already, I can just relax, enjoy the air conditioning and cold water at the club, and wait for the money to flow...

    Thanks for your input, ladies. I'm certainly not going to let that experience get me down, but just understand how to work with club policies more efficiently.

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    Sounds like You'r club is getting a REALLY big cut of You'r money. I wouldn't stay in a club that rips off My money like that. But thats only my opinion

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    $75 for a half hour VIP is cheap! he should expect to pay more.
    It sounded to me like dances were supposed to be sold continually in the VIP, but it's up to the dancer to enforce this and collect for them. That makes things way harder for the dancer, esp. if the club doesn't enforce the 'you-have-to-buy-dances-in-VIP' rule. Because he thinks he's getting a VIP for $75.

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