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    Default Senator Joe Lieberman - a "fly in the ointment," but for the Democrats?

    This was discussed on a local radio show an hour ago. I didn't know Sen. Lieberman has said he will run as an independent if he loses in the Democratic Primary. Polls indicate if he does run, he will receive 51%, the Democratic candidate will receive 27% and the Republican candidate will receive 9%.

    So will Sen. Lieberman end up being a "spoiler" if he does do this...and the Democrats fail to gain a majority in the Senate in the November election?

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    I've said I'd like to see a McCain-Lieberman contest so that I'd have a choice to make that I'd like. McCain is too moderate for the Republicans and Lieberman is too moderate for the Democrats. Could be interesting.

    If the Democrats cut a popular guy loose because he doesn't toe the party line so well, they deserve to lose him and what he carries with him.

    But generally, independents who split off don't do so well. Examples: George Wallace, John Anderson.

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    Default Re: Senator Joe Lieberman - a "fly in the ointment," but for the Democrats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno
    If the Democrats cut a popular guy loose because he doesn't toe the party line so well, they deserve to lose him and what he carries with him.
    Hear! hear!

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    Default Re: Senator Joe Lieberman - a "fly in the ointment," but for the Democrats?

    No way would either of the two major parties receive only 9% of the vote.Millions of people in both parties vote straight democrat or straight republican regardless of the candidate.

    We have all seen elections where deceased candidates in lower level elections receive 30-40% of the vote for this very reason.
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    Default Re: Senator Joe Lieberman - a "fly in the ointment," but for the Democrats?

    Quote Originally Posted by PhaedrusZ
    So will Sen. Lieberman end up being a "spoiler" if he does do this...and the Democrats fail to gain a majority in the Senate in the November election?
    Technically true.....but you must realize that he would side with the democrats on a good majority of the issues making this issue moot.

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    Default Re: Senator Joe Lieberman - a "fly in the ointment," but for the Democrats?

    he has said he would vote with democrats in caucauses or what not so if he was elected you can count him as a "democratic" senator for purposes of control of senate. like the other new england senator who switched sides.

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    Default Re: Senator Joe Lieberman - a "fly in the ointment," but for the Democrats?

    The anti-war crowd will vote him out and then wonder what happened to prochoice, freedom of expression, where did these "free speech zones" come from, and other things.

    That fella from DailyKos.com wrote a good book () explaining why the democrats repeatedly - for the last twenty years - have been loosing ground. One of the main problems: single issue voters. They cannot collect their votes on anyone, so nobody wins.

    They will eliminate someone with their belief structure and throw in a nobody junior senator with no pull.

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    Default Re: Senator Joe Lieberman - a "fly in the ointment," but for the Democrats?

    Liebermann lost.

    He'll run as an independent. This is very entertaining.
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    Default Re: Senator Joe Lieberman - a "fly in the ointment," but for the Democrats?

    One can not betray their party and ignore the will of their constituents and reasonably expect to win the vote. Lieberman did both and thus he lost.

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    Default Re: Senator Joe Lieberman - a "fly in the ointment," but for the Democrats?

    He did not betray his party or ignore his constituents. He has repeatedly voted democratic ideals for many many things. Only the war - which to many dems at the time looked like the right thing to do - is what many single issue dems are pissed off about.

    Everyone knows the ultra-extremes of both parties vote in the primaries.

    I lay odds he will win the general election - or a close race and a republican will win. The country needs a little more independence from the parties right now.

    Here is the problem the democrats have right now:

    Oh he is ok with free speech, free expression, and anti-war but is a pro-life democrat - I am not voting for him!

    Oh she is ok with free speech, free expression and pro-choice but believes we should remain in Iraq - I am not voting for her!

    Oh he is pro-choice, freedom of expression, and ant-iwar but doesn't like pornography - I am not voting for him!

    See - pretty soon, even though there might be someone that makes a good democrat - all the little democrat fiefdoms out there work against each other and hence against the democratic party.

    The democrats could learn a lot from Karl Rove.

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    Default Re: Senator Joe Lieberman - a "fly in the ointment," but for the Democrats?

    He did not betray his party or ignore his constituents
    Apparently CT voters disagree.

    I lay odds he will win the general election - or a close race and a republican will win.
    We'll have to wait and see about that ofcourse but personally I have major doubts that will be the outcome because CT. has a strong blue voting base. Also nationwide nearly 70% oppose the war so pro- war candidates in general face an uphill battle in mid term elections.

    The country needs a little more independence from the parties right now.
    ^ I completely agree !

    The democrats could learn a lot from Karl Rove.
    LMAO. Like what? Being more like Rove means to lie about everything under the sun, be as immoral as the day is long and to violate the law as often as possible.

    We need LESS of that in politics, not more. IMO

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    Default Re: Senator Joe Lieberman - a "fly in the ointment," but for the Democrats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughn
    Apparently CT voters disagree.
    Nope. Primary voter's disagreed. They are famous for being few and militant. The big collection of voters has yet to speak.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vaughn
    LMAO. Like what? Being more like Rove means to lie about everything under the sun, be as immoral as the day is long and to violate the law as often as possible.

    We need LESS of that in politics, not more. IMO
    Yep, he's a snake, but he sure knows how to put together a voter base as well as a reason to vote.

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    Default Re: Senator Joe Lieberman - a "fly in the ointment," but for the Democrats?

    no comment until the results of the November election are in !

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    Default Re: Senator Joe Lieberman - a "fly in the ointment," but for the Democrats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    Nope. Primary voter's disagreed. They are famous for being few and militant. The big collection of voters has yet to speak.
    There was close to a 45% turn out for the primary, in a state where primaries are lucky to bring in 20%.

    I think that is statistically valid enough to extrapolate to the general populace to say that most people feel he has drifted too far to the right.

    He made his start here as AG taking on big interests in a Spitzerr like manner. The ironic thing is he won the seat over an incumbent (Lowell Wicker) who he accused of getting to cozy with the establishment. Exactly what his opponent claimed in this race.

    I agree he is a bigger threat to the Dems in the State but I think most people just felt he was no longer representing the party on issues like Iraq and was too cozy with GWB.

    He wants it both ways. In the last race when he was running for VP, he also ran again for Senator in. If he won the VP slot he would have had to resign one of them. This time he overlooked the potential of a new face with a lot of $$ to spend

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    Default Re: Senator Joe Lieberman - a "fly in the ointment," but for the Democrats?

    some 'professional' opinion on the subject at

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    Default Re: Senator Joe Lieberman - a "fly in the ointment," but for the Democrats?

    It is impossible for democrats and left-wingers to be racist and bigotted.

    Simply impossible by (their own) definition.

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    Default Re: Senator Joe Lieberman - a "fly in the ointment," but for the Democrats?

    I voted Lamont....happy he won the primary. What the future hold, who knows.

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    Default Re: Senator Joe Lieberman - a "fly in the ointment," but for the Democrats?

    ^^^

    Probably a republican congress critter

    Lieberman exposes the danger of professional politicians. They don't know what to do with themselves if they are not in office. So they do everything they can to stay in office - regardless of the price their public might pay for it.

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    Default Re: Senator Joe Lieberman - a "fly in the ointment," but for the Democrats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    ^^^

    Probably a republican congress critter

    Lieberman exposes the danger of professional politicians. They don't know what to do with themselves if they are not in office. So they do everything they can to stay in office - regardless of the price their public might pay for it.
    fuck.....i don't want a republican in that seat. at this point, after our former governor ended up in prision, i'm jaded about politics in general. where is the apathy when you need it?

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    Default Re: Senator Joe Lieberman - a "fly in the ointment," but for the Democrats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    they do everything they can to stay in office - regardless of the price their public might pay for it.
    You just nailed it.

    He was a dyed in the wool Dem until it no longer assured him of the job.

    Then it became "F**k the party, the public wants me"

    He is in for a rude awakening this fall when he flames out

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