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    this kind of goes along with kaiyla's thread "stage side customers who don't tip" but i didn't want to jack her thread.

    anyway, in the past i have always casually gotten anyway from rude customers who say hurtfull things or cheap customers who make blatent comments about how they're not going to spend a dime. i always figured it was better to cut my losses and move on, not "stoop" to the level of saying something to them about it. however.... i finally snapped and the reaction was not at all what i expected. here's what happened...

    i was sitting with a guy and we were having decent well balanced conversation. he kept complimenting my body (in a semi creepy way.. but what else is new) and i thought we were generally "headed somewhere". 3 songs had gone by without him buying me a drink, but it was slow and i didnt have any better option. around this time the dj calls a dance special and i hit the guy up for some dances in my usual playfull (not wanna dance) way. his response is this "no way honey, i work way too hard for the money i have" to which i -for once- responded "so do i" to which he... and here was his major downfall... came back with "yeah..RIGHT"

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    i calmly, but very firmly explained to him that this is our JOB, that it's how we pay our bills. i told him why it is -not- an easy job and why it is rude to stare at the stage or touch the dancers legs while they sit with you without even forking up a few bucks. he argued with me about it for a few minutes and i eventually excused myself and left. the funny thing is, the next time he came in he walked right up to me when i was on stage and gave me a 10 .. told me he thought about it when he went home and that i was right. he comes in once or twice a week and tips all the girls on stage now.

    since then (this was about a month ago) i always tell the customers what i think when they pull this. i don't yell or get out of control, i just stand up for myself instead of backing away. not every response has been as cool, but some of them have. the ones who haven't just wind up not comming back in.. and that's just fine with me. i'm not doing this to every guy who refuses a dance or doesn't tip -me- it's moreso the guys who refuse to spend any money at all on any of the girls and who act like they can "show us" by not tipping.

    i stood up to a guy this week who told me "i know why you're here, and you girls are not getting any of my money." although with this guy i was much more ... wordy. i basically told him that i was glad he finally found somewhere that he could feel empowered. i also mentioned something about how pathetic it is that he has to "steal" time from girls just to have some sort of fake adult interaction.

    i've also started approaching guys when they sit stage side for a full rotation of girls and don't tip any of them.

    anyway, the moral of the story is...sometimes it's not bad to rock the boat.

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    Penny, girl! You are my hero. Do you mind if I follow your lead and steal some of you material?

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    Yeah, if I sit with a guy and he lays a hand on me I immediately say: "You know, the more you touch me now, the greater the obligation to buy a dance becomes." It used to be like a rule: a guy calls you over, he is obliged - OBLIGED - to buy at least one dance. If you sit with a guy and he starts feeling all over you he is OBLIGED to buy a dance. When, exactly, did that change? When did it become okay to sit, touch on a girl and then turn her down?
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    I do the same thing you do. When I come around for tips after the stage and they dont tip eventhough they were clearly watching the entire time I explain like you do in a nice way. I tell them to at least tip the next girl as we work off of tips only and really appreciate it when they tip. Most just leave after a few other girls have approached them and they still dont tip.

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    I agree, I've had guys call me over or I go over, then touch my leg and then say they don't want a dance. So now I don't give anything for free, I don't let anyone touch me at all on the floor, if they try to touch I say something like lets get closer in the VIP. Besides I learned that the guys who want to immediately touch you on the floor will not buy dances.

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    It's so hard for me to express this stuff without getting too worked up. Once in a while I pull it off, but usually I tend to insult them too much.. Lol, if only I could take the words "pathetic loser" out of my vocabulary when I go to work..

    I found a good line to use when guys on the tip rail won't tip: just stand there naked in front of them after your set, and say "I'd give YOU a dollar if you got naked " and they always cough up some dough.

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    You haven't snapped, you've taken your hustle to the next level. Congrats. The SC needs more girls with backbone who don't mind educating the unenlightened customers.

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    if that had ever worked in any club i've worked in, i would do that sort of thing more often.

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    I like to play to their self interest. If a customer says something about "I work too hard for my money to just waste it." I'll respond with "Since you work so hard for your money, I'd think you would want to spend it on something you find pleasent and enjoyable, be it a latte, a round of golf or some lap dances."

    It is the whole "because you're worth it" marketing gambit. I take the focus off myself and put it back on their desires for self indulgence.

    This sales technique works well in my construction business, too. No one needs a new deck and gazebo in their back yard, so I have to appeal to their vanity and self interests.


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    If a guy said that to me I think I'd roll my eyes and go on to someone else. I'm not there to teach them social etiquette (although someone needs to!).
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    Phew, reading the title, I thought you had quit your club or something.


    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty_Penny
    i calmly, but very firmly explained to him that this is our JOB, that it's how we pay our bills. i told him why it is -not- an easy job and why it is rude to stare at the stage or touch the dancers legs while they sit with you without even forking up a few bucks. he argued with me about it for a few minutes and i eventually excused myself and left. the funny thing is, the next time he came in he walked right up to me when i was on stage and gave me a 10 .. told me he thought about it when he went home and that i was right. he comes in once or twice a week and tips all the girls on stage now.
    I wouldn't call that snapping, thats just laying down the law. In fact, you handled yourself in a very classy manner. You not only kept your decorum, but you turned a non-tipping bum into a spender. Amen.
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    Heh, my response to that has always been, "Yeah I work hard for your money, too."


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    Kudos to you, for turning a frustrating experience into a profitable one, and for enlightening a customer with a little style instead of getting mad, as would certainly be understandable.

    Well done, Penny!
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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish
    Phew, reading the title, I thought you had quit your club or something.


    I thought the same thing. It would be a shame if Pretty_penny no longer graced the stage.


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    Around here, I can't even run into any nice girl who would sit with me for a minute before I agree for a Dance. The other night @ the Rhino, the girls were shouting "wanna dance" from very far away

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    Good for you! I never take shit off of customers (or anyone) and I feel much the better for it! Last time a customer gave me shit, just a few weeks ago for pretty much the same reason as in your story funnily enough - he was giving me the finger waving it at me whilst I was on stage. I jumped off the stage and asked him what his problem was then gave him a piece of my mind. I got an appology and another customer tipped me $50 because he thought I delt with the situation really well. Yay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris
    I thought the same thing. It would be a shame if Pretty_penny no longer graced the stage.
    aww

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Yeah, if I sit with a guy and he lays a hand on me I immediately say: "You know, the more you touch me now, the greater the obligation to buy a dance becomes." It used to be like a rule: a guy calls you over, he is obliged - OBLIGED - to buy at least one dance. If you sit with a guy and he starts feeling all over you he is OBLIGED to buy a dance. When, exactly, did that change? When did it become okay to sit, touch on a girl and then turn her down?
    I think I will quote you on this Jenny (when I'm at work, not just here in the post I mean). It just makes me soo, soooo very angry to get CALLED over, from across the room by a guy (or he even gets the waitress to grab me over) just to shoot the shit. Just to tell me "oh you're so hot, great stage". And when I casually swing the convo around to if he wants a dance "oh no, not here for those sweetheart, I won't waste your time". I love that. They call me over, chat me up for as long as they can, and then say "oh I don't want to waste your time". Good god I could rip their fingernails off sometimes. Or when they do their best to molest me while I sit there, and not buy a dance. If they get handsy, I try to sell them fast. And it seems to me the touchier they are, the less likely they are to buy.

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    ^^^
    I know. That has been happening to be all over the place for the last 2 or 3 shifts - like to the point that I think there IS some kind of weird conspiracy going on to drive us insane or out of business. You know how there are some guys who think they are cool for getting you pissed off? Tonight, I'm sitting at the bar, this guy catches my eye, and I actually ignore him because... I don't know, maybe I'm playing hard to get? He stands up and beckons me over - hi, how are you, blah blah blah... "So you guys are kind of wasted, arncha?" I ask. "Oh, we've got a while to go yet. How about you? Do you want to get wasted?"
    "Um, no."
    "Do you want to party all night with us?" (they were brothers by the way, for the nasty incestuous charm that adds)
    "No."
    "Well then, this conversation is over."
    When did that become okay? This has also been happening all over the place - what happened to the polite way of propositioning dancers - the one where you buy a drink, buy 2-5 dances and then say "After a show like that, is there any chance of arranging something private?" When did that become passe?
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    "Those who danced where thought to be quite insane by those who could not hear the music." - Angela Monet
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    I had a guy tell me tonight, "I don't get dances, I have morals." I was like, "So your morals allow you to look at us, just not close up? What kind of morals do YOU have?" That, I think, pissed me off more than getting my second EVER gold room and not being able to do it because the club does't take Discover Card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    ^^^
    When did that become okay? This has also been happening all over the place - what happened to the polite way of propositioning dancers - the one where you buy a drink, buy 2-5 dances and then say "After a show like that, is there any chance of arranging something private?" When did that become passe?
    By the sounds of it..that went bye bye on the 4th or 5th round..lol

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    Well, geez - yes, there is an initial investment involved when you are trying to get a woman who is likely not a hooker to have sex for money. I just wonder when it become okay to talk to us like that - to actually summon me over and then have that conversation. Like guys - that is not okay. Don't do that.
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    Well I should probably get a backbone and use that approach. It sounds like some custies just need a little wake up call.
    Thanks for the tip!

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    Pretty Penny you're a diamond - well done and congrats.
    You're sooooo right, if a guy wants to just "kick back and chill with no pressure" there's plenty of bars in any city that he can go to in order to do it.
    There's nothing clever about going to a strip club and deliberately being cheap.

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