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    As far as you know anyway. The guys who tout this stuff claim that if it's done right the woman won't even realize what the guy is doing. For those who don't know, Speed Seduction was invented pretty much by a guy named Ross Jeffries in the late 80s. You've probably seen him on the daytime talk shows. Looks like "Revenge of the Nerds" meets "The Fly". Basically it uses the principles of Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) to hypnotically make a woman feel as if she's in love with/horny for a guy. Not the kind of hypnotic like you see on TV, "you are getting verrry sleeepy." But he's doing things that (supposedly) affect the subject on a subconscious rather than a conscious level.

    Some guys swear by this stuff, some detractors say its sneaky and manipulative, others just say its a bunch of bullshit and doesnt work. The guys like Jeffries who claim it works say that any guy can use this to seduce practically any woman he wants, even if he is a complete nasty looking unemployed loser with absolutely nothing to offer a woman. With this he can make a woman FEEL AS SHE WOULD if he DID have something to offer. And since we respond not to reality, but our perception of reality, making her FEEL AS SHE WOULD if he DID actually have something to offer her is just as good (for the guy's purposes anyway) as actually having something to offer her. "The map is not the territory" is a very important principle in NLP.
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    And "submit". Now I can....NOOO!! NOT MY REAL PIC!! I WANTED TO USE THE ONE I FOUND ON THAT GAY PORN SITE!! HOW THE @#$% DO I EDIT IT?? WHAT THE @#$%!!!!!

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    Oh, I read his book. I would pay money to watch someone try to utilize those methods. You might consider though, that even if it did work (which, trust me, there is no way) someone who wants to "hypnotize" a woman into sleeping with him doesn't have a very high opinion of women. (Indeed, his book makes it clear that he, in fact, doesn't). Really THAT might be the core of your problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Oh, I read his book. I would pay money to watch someone try to utilize those methods. You might consider though, that even if it did work (which, trust me, there is no way) someone who wants to "hypnotize" a woman into sleeping with him doesn't have a very high opinion of women. (Indeed, his book makes it clear that he, in fact, doesn't). Really THAT might be the core of your problem.
    Oh, and guys who have high opinions of women and hold them in high regard get laid left and right? Get real. See the "cure for nice guys" thread and then tell me about guys who have a high opinion of women. Guys like RJ have a low opinion of women because they have discovered how women think. It's that simple. They want the guys who are indifferent toward them (the more indifferent the better) and blow off the guys who would treat them good because well, they'd treat them good! Can't have that, can we?? No drama, you know.

    I too would love to hear stories from guys here especially who have tried to use SS on strippers to hear if it worked. And it only "works", guys, if you got a stripper to have sex with you, not for money, but because mind-fucked her till you made her WANT you so bad that she had to have you.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainQuantum
    The guys like Jeffries who claim it works say that any guy can use this to seduce practically any woman he wants, even if he is a complete nasty looking unemployed loser with absolutely nothing to offer a woman.
    Now that's what I'm talkin about! I don't even have to have anything going for me, and I can pull model-lookin women like guys making 6-7 figures? Sounds good to me! Women fall for losers with nothing going for them all the time, why not me??

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    My bet is that a guy so dumb that he tried that on an experienced dancer would find himself alone at closing time with an empty wallet and a big credit card bill on the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComfortZone
    Oh, and guys who have high opinions of women and hold them in high regard get laid left and right? Get real. See the "cure for nice guys" thread and then tell me about guys who have a high opinion of women. Guys like RJ have a low opinion of women because they have discovered how women think. It's that simple. They want the guys who are indifferent toward them (the more indifferent the better) and blow off the guys who would treat them good because well, they'd treat them good! Can't have that, can we?? No drama, you know.
    Baby, did you READ the "cure for nice guys" thread? Okay ladies - all girls who share my bad judgment and have read this, raise your hands if indifference and guys who don't act like they are into you get you off? Nobody? Nobody? That's what I thought.

    Guys like RJ have figured out that "Nice Guys" aren't really nice, but passive aggressive losers who can offer Walmart but think they deserve Tiffanys in return; you might consider it isn't women who are taking you guys - it's other men.
    Ways to get laid: be some combination of the below:
    -be charming
    -be good looking
    -be wealthy
    -be willing to pay
    -find some girl who is slumming bad
    -find some girl who is so drunk she has vomit in her hair and thinks you are one of the above
    -find your level - that is find a girl who is only as good looking, charming and desirable as you are
    ... and, yeah, that is pretty much it. And I won't charge you a dime. Take that advice and run with it, little grasshopper.

    I too would love to hear stories from guys here especially who have tried to use SS on strippers to hear if it worked. And it only "works", guys, if you got a stripper to have sex with you, not for money, but because mind-fucked her till you made her WANT you so bad that she had to have you.
    I, as well, would LOVE to hear such stories. But, of course, you can just get the same fictionalized accounts from his website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    -find some girl who is so drunk she has vomit in her hair.

    Ma'am, I think you may well have found the right match for our customer.

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    Hmm, I don't know about NLP but I have caught customers trying to use the Mystery Method (which is ultimately more ethical because it teaches you how to appear charming and interesting to get a girl, rather than use hypnotic coersion--if that even works?). When I've called them out on it though, its usually pretty funny, because thats the last reaction they expect.

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    Default Re: Ever had a custy try to use "Speed Seduction" on you?

    "Mystery Method", "Speed Seduction", NLP, its pretty much all the same stuff. There used to be, maybe still is, a newsgroup for speed seduction. (Newsgroup....thats probably dating myself some).

    I used to read it sometimes. It had some positive aspects but a lot of negatives. I think some of the tips might actually work. How well they work really depends on the people involved. Since I'm not a lying manipulative woman hating degenerate I never really relied on those techniques. The stuff I felt comfortable using were more along the line of "icebreakers". I remember there were also some tips about eye contact, touching "keno" and some other stuff that made some sense and seemed to help in meeting and talking to women.

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    Having had the displeasure of meeting Ross on a few occasions, I can tell you he's a legend in his own mind. There are even similar knock-offs though that supposedly work off a lot less sleeze factor. One is found here for example... www.subconsciousseduction.com.

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    There was a Houston Press article on him a while back. I think you can do a search of their archives to find it . It was pretty funny.

    www.houstonpress.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComfortZone
    Guys like RJ have a low opinion of women because they have discovered how women think. It's that simple.

    Haha. Sounds like the same reason women have had a low opinion of men for all of recorded time. Men are finally catching on I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina6
    Haha. Sounds like the same reason women have had a low opinion of men for all of recorded time. Men are finally catching on I guess.
    Exactly. I find that the men who are assholes are THREATENED by the female mind and our powers.
    Can you imagine what it would be like to be a man? It must be pretty intimidating. Here you are, this hairy, smelly creature controlled by lust and there are all these beautiful, smarter and more emotionally evolved creatures roaming around the world that can outsmart you if you don't keep them oppressed by false media messages and images, negative programming, rape and mind-fucking...now we have this supposed hypnosis to contend with. I would feel threatened too. But instead of dealing with it and giving us our due credit, they attempt to dismiss our beauty and creativity.

    Keep trying guys...we'll win in the end. No stupid guy with a manipulative mind is going to outsmart me.

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    sorry guys...but your're not all entitled to female affection just because you have a dick, and what you think is the "good guy trait". HAVING A DICK THAT CAN GET HARD DOES NOT MEAN YOU SHOULD GET LAID. THAT MAIN MENTALLITY THAT YOUR GENTITALS DESERVE TO BE EMBEDDED IN OUR GENITALS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE IS WHY MOST OF YOU NEVER GET ANY. nature kicks in...all courting males (in most species)have to have something to turn a female's head. no one follows or mates with the weak/overweight-smelly lion who can't feed himself. why should a lioness let some loser mount her and leave her with a raw cunt and a prenancy to boot. ha ha ha ha ha...yeah right. survival of the fitest and luck favors the bold. girls end up with jerks b/c they come ofF as dominate confident men...which are the only men sadly (other than lottery winners, heirs, and royalty) who ever ARE success. If a man can't do what i can do....and that's alot...why should i give him the time of day. my dream is not to take care or sleep with undesirable men...face it guys. if you want it that bad maybe you ought to try and match up to the perfect male image...we women do it everyday in hopes of love and companionship. you idiots won't even do it to get laid.

    And if any guy actually tries that stupid speed seduction crap...YOU ARE NOT A NICE GUY!! men don't want to f*ck or date fat, scrawny, lazy, unattractive, unsuccessful, hairheaded, sloppy women...WHY THE HELL do you think we would want to f*ck or date a man with any of those qualities!?

    that would be going backwards in the evolutionary gene pool...procreating with lesser specimans.

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    I just finished reading 'The Game' which was about this very subject. By the end of the book, pretty much all the main charachters had fallen out, seemed to be on the verge of schizofrenia and losing control. That said, it was an engrossing read and a real eye opener.

    I don't know anything about speed seduction and the book doesn't really discuss it much. The impression I got was that the PUA types focus on self improvement in some way or another. Improving personal hygene, fashion sense, better haircuts, understanding of self etc and these things are, after all, are some of the things that females look for. Of course, they also practice opening lines to start conversations.

    But to Jenny above - the list of things you suggest - are you kidding??? Your list is essentially, get on the floor and grovel at my feet or go find some loser crack addict who needs help. Is that really how a guy should find a girl? Maybe you are a little jaded by your profession and the guys that you meet and hit on you.

    A while ago (about 3 months) a pal sent me a link to a site by one of the seduction community, David DeAngelo and Double Your Dating. The pal told me I had to buy it, it was perfect for me. The guy teaches you to bust on a girl, in a nice way, making fun, not bowing down to her and making lots of jokes. My pal suggested it because of my sense of humour - which I had always been to shy to use on females.

    Low and behold, it works. Making fun of girls is the biggest turn on you have! And it is fun too. My life is changing because of it and I am suddenly much more popular with female acquaintances because I take the mickey. Amazing.

    Whether it would work on a stripper, I dunno. But since I don't go to strip clubs, I'm never going to find out. But who cares? I'm sure there are loads of guys who don't want to date strippers or porn stars. I for one would be scared witless by them.

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    Originally Posted by ComfortZone: They want the guys who are indifferent toward them (the more indifferent the better) and blow off the guys who would treat them good because well, they'd treat them good! Can't have that, can we?? No drama, you know.

    Indifference and ambiguity can drive any person crazy, man or woman. That is why guys chase women who are genuinely indifferent, right? They want to get past that friend barrier, they want to conquer her. So yes, I agree, you can get attention from a woman, who enjoys the thrill of the chase, but it works on men too. Guys love drama just as much as women do. People want what they can't have, and if they don't have a strong sense of their own reality, they seem to linger for a long time.

    Frankly, the whole chase game is a waste of time, once I get what I want I don't want it anymore. So my feelings were never true. I'd rather evolve with someone I genuinely like, than constantly be stuck in some friggin game, letting the years go by and regretting I hadn’t accomplished what I wanted to in my personal life. I'll leave that to the weak ones….

    All those sites teach men how to reframe the reality of the victim. It's predatory and the intent is evil. It's like an Insecure guy, who had been picked on, has all this anger, so he takes a BASIC martial arts class and kicks the shit out of random people. Just to prove he's the man. Sounds pretty pathetic, doesn't it??

    And what is with that SS talk. Ummm see, guys get too emotional in a strip club. They come into an establishment thinking this is a singles bar, with the intent to get laid. Stupid, and any stripper that falls for that is just reinforcing the pattern and feeding these assholes.
    Well, I really don't think much of those girls anyway...

    "Mystery Method", "Speed Seduction", NLP, its pretty much all the same stuff. There used to be, maybe still is, a newsgroup for speed seduction. (Newsgroup....thats probably dating myself some).

    NO, NLP is not the same. I know this because I've been trained and certified in it. NLP is used for personal growth and getting past limiting belief and behaviors. Being ethical and doing what is right, is most important….
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    ^^ That's a really fucking good post!

    It sounds like snake oil to me. Whoever this Jeffries dude is, if he can hoodwink guys into buying his shit more power to him. Maybe the marks will learn something (about not trusting a voodoo doll to do their work for them).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComfortZone
    Oh, and guys who have high opinions of women and hold them in high regard get laid left and right? Get real. See the "cure for nice guys" thread and then tell me about guys who have a high opinion of women. Guys like RJ have a low opinion of women because they have discovered how women think. It's that simple. They want the guys who are indifferent toward them (the more indifferent the better) and blow off the guys who would treat them good because well, they'd treat them good! Can't have that, can we?? No drama, you know.

    I too would love to hear stories from guys here especially who have tried to use SS on strippers to hear if it worked. And it only "works", guys, if you got a stripper to have sex with you, not for money, but because mind-fucked her till you made her WANT you so bad that she had to have you.



    Now that's what I'm talkin about! I don't even have to have anything going for me, and I can pull model-lookin women like guys making 6-7 figures? Sounds good to me! Women fall for losers with nothing going for them all the time, why not me??
    Oops! you're in the wrong forum (sort like accidentially walking into the ladies restroom, isn't it?). I think what you are looking for is here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris
    Oops! you're in the wrong forum (sort like accidentially walking into the ladies restroom, isn't it?). I think what you are looking for is here.
    Uh, no, truly it isn't. The SCJ guys are actually willing to become our customers. Some of them (certainly not all) may lobby for more than what we're willing to give, but that's a different topic. On the other hand, pickup artists want a stripper's company but refuse to pay for it. Big distinction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniela
    All those sites teach men how to reframe the reality of the victim. It's predatory and the intent is evil.
    But as someone who is very familiar with NLP, in your estimation does Speed Seduction WORK? As well as Ross Jeffries says it does? That a guy who has no money, no charm, no looks, no personality, and would have no hope of getting laid otherwise, can learn this stuff and get practically any woman he wants to think he's one of the sexiest men she's ever met?

    Putting the ethics, morality, etc aside for a moment, who's right? The people who make claims like the one above, or the people who say Jeffries is a fraud, or is it somewhere in between?

    "Hey ladies. I'm Ben. Wanna take a ride on the Stud Machine? Chiseled 6'2", 240 lb frame. Ex-male stripper (until I had to quit cause I was making the ladies too wild). Women call me "Big Ben" in bed, if you know what I mean. Wanna see why? Leave me a message."

    And "submit". Now I can....NOOO!! NOT MY REAL PIC!! I WANTED TO USE THE ONE I FOUND ON THAT GAY PORN SITE!! HOW THE @#$% DO I EDIT IT?? WHAT THE @#$%!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainQuantum
    But as someone who is very familiar with NLP, in your estimation does Speed Seduction WORK? As well as Ross Jeffries says it does? That a guy who has no money, no charm, no looks, no personality, and would have no hope of getting laid otherwise, can learn this stuff and get practically any woman he wants to think he's one of the sexiest men she's ever met?
    I think she already answered your question.

    You have to, at least, show up on her radar for NLP to have chance.

    The concept of this manipulation is baffling to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainQuantum
    But as someone who is very familiar with NLP, in your estimation does Speed Seduction WORK? As well as Ross Jeffries says it does? That a guy who has no money, no charm, no looks, no personality, and would have no hope of getting laid otherwise, can learn this stuff and get practically any woman he wants to think he's one of the sexiest men she's ever met?
    The man with no money, no charm, no looks and no personality needs a job and a serious introspective course of therapy rather than some method of seduction. WOMEN ARE FAR TOO SMART TO NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH THESE STUPID THINGS! Or maybe I shouldn't say that...I'll just LET you think we're dumb enough to fall for it.

    I dare anyone to try to make a mental victim out of me. I'll laugh right in your face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funnypicboy
    ....does Speed Seduction WORK
    He asked me if I'd screw him for a gram of meth.


    ...Seriously, though...a good friend of mine is an OB/Gyn doctor and I asked her once what the deal was with the whole puffing ritual that the Lamaze method teaches. She told me the real point of it was to give the mother and father (coach) something to focus on that would distract them both from what was really happening, and help them be calm. Thinking "holy shit, a new human is about to pass through my pussy" is not a good way to deal with it. So they teach you to puff.

    Talking to girls for some guys is like giving birth. My guess is these "methods" are really just a way for the dude to keep from wetting himself. The Lamaze seduction method.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexxaHex
    The man with no money, no charm, no looks and no personality needs a job and a serious introspective course of therapy rather than some method of seduction.

    Wait wait wait... you mean, spending our welfare dollars on this Mystery Method is not attractive to you? Here I thought you had class....hanging up there between all the shackles and torture devices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonn
    sorry guys...but your're not all entitled to female affection just because you have a dick, and what you think is the "good guy trait". HAVING A DICK THAT CAN GET HARD DOES NOT MEAN YOU SHOULD GET LAID. THAT MAIN MENTALLITY THAT YOUR GENTITALS DESERVE TO BE EMBEDDED IN OUR GENITALS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE IS WHY MOST OF YOU NEVER GET ANY. nature kicks in...all courting males (in most species)have to have something to turn a female's head. no one follows or mates with the weak/overweight-smelly lion who can't feed himself. why should a lioness let some loser mount her and leave her with a raw cunt and a prenancy to boot. ha ha ha ha ha...yeah right. survival of the fitest and luck favors the bold. girls end up with jerks b/c they come ofF as dominate confident men...which are the only men sadly (other than lottery winners, heirs, and royalty) who ever ARE success. If a man can't do what i can do....and that's alot...why should i give him the time of day. my dream is not to take care or sleep with undesirable men...face it guys. if you want it that bad maybe you ought to try and match up to the perfect male image...we women do it everyday in hopes of love and companionship. you idiots won't even do it to get laid.

    And if any guy actually tries that stupid speed seduction crap...YOU ARE NOT A NICE GUY!! men don't want to f*ck or date fat, scrawny, lazy, unattractive, unsuccessful, hairheaded, sloppy women...WHY THE HELL do you think we would want to f*ck or date a man with any of those qualities!?

    that would be going backwards in the evolutionary gene pool...procreating with lesser specimans.

    i laughed out loud with that one hahaha..i'm confused..what are some of the lines or methods that these guys use? i never heard of NLP before

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    I did a quick google search and found this site. I think the newsgroup I found years ago was alt.seduction.fast. Its been too long for me to be really sure. Guess I could dig out my old computer and check but I'm just too lazy to do that.

    http://www.fastseduction.com/

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