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    I need some serious help!!!

    Ok i've been dancing for about a week now and every night I only make around $100 to $150. The other girls are making around double that or more. I dont know what it is!!! I talk to the guys, they seem like they like me and then nothing happens! I rarely get lap dances and they dont tip me as much on stage as they do the other girls..... I dont know what im doing wrong and I try to mesmorize whats on this site for tips but when I get to work I forget everything... I dont know if its because im still new, too shy, or just dont have it???? Can someone help me out???
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    I think the number one problem that I have, and that it sounds like you have as well, is not asking for enough. If you dance for a guy and then you're leaving to go on stage, say "will you come visit me when I'm on stage?". Tell a couple guys you dance for that dancing on stage is much more fun when guys come up and "say hi". If you don't ask, you can't expect them to do things on their own.

    Same with dances. Never assume a guy doesn't want a dance, another dance, or a dance for his friend. Always ask/suggest one, for every person at the table. Many men love to show their generosity and buy a friend a dance, especially if it's a client or boss.

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    It seems simple.. but ASK them. Don't wait for a guy to say, "Hey, let's go get a table dance." Automatically assume they want one. Assume they want 42 of them. Then you say, "You're ready to take me up to VIP so we can get to know each other better, aren't you?"

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    Give yourself a break, you've only been dancing a week. It takes time to get over the nervousness, the shyness, it takes time getting better and better at asking for dancing, tips all of it. The hardest thing for me was going up to a table that hadn't tipped me because I was sooooooo afraid of getting rejected. Now, I'm to the point that I don't care because I don't take it personally, I just move on to the next lead. One thing that will help you get more stage tips is give great eye contact, when you and a guy's eye lock, smile at him and wink at him. That's a big way to get tips, if he doesn't tip then, give him this seductive look and do the come here motion with your index finger and in your mind pretend that you want to fuck his brains out. He'll think that you really like him (even though you really his money, not him) and that will help you start getting stage tips. When you go up to a guy, ask him/them if you can join them or sit with them. If they say yes, do the usual small talk, is this your first time here, are you having fun tonight, what's the celebration, where are you from, etc. Give it maximum 2-3 songs depending on how busy it is and then stand up and say "I know you're ready for a dance now, aren't you?" Most guys are going to say yes. If he does the "Um, um......I don't know, I'm not sure....um, um..." Don't waste anymore of your time. Just say "That's ok, sweetie, when you're ready for a dance, just come get me and I'd love to give you the most amazing dance of your life. Again, I'm Kelly and I'll see you in a little while." Then move on. Chances are, you're not going to get a dance out of him. So far, I think I've gotten 1-2 guys come find me later on. Whenever a guy beats around the bush like that, it's usually a case of you're just not his type or he doesn't want to spend any money. But whatever you do and it's taken me a little while to really understand this, don't take any rejections personally, take it as something good so you know not to waste your time with that person. Try these and be patient with yourself. No stripper first starting out knew everything what to do,it takes time! Enjoy it and good luck!

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    Start with the ABCs of selling...

    Always
    Be
    Closing

    Understand that the initial conversation is only done to gain rapport with your customer and that's only half the equasion. You need to start closing the sale like Cherry suggested and not wait for your customer to ask you to sell him on it.

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    Yeah, don't be afraid to ask for a dance. I was timid about it in the beginning of my stripping career. Guys usually don't ask you because they either don't think about it or they are too shy. Of course it is true that you should Always Be Closing...the same theory applies to the fact that you should always be implanting ideas about lap dancing in your conversations. You don't even have to be that subtle, but don't be extremely pushy. Pick your spots. Don't spend too much time with a customer and don't do the 'wanna dance?' routine. There is a happy medium between being flighty and giving up too much of your time. Time management is key. Be polite, introduce yourself and ask him questions about himself. Remember, the #1 word you want to be hearing out of his mouth is 'yes'. Ask him as many questions that will give you a 'yes' answer as possible. The chances of him saying 'yes' when you ask him for a dance are much greater when you get him into that pattern.

    Every new dancer always kinda sucks on stage. You'll get more comfortable and learn new moves as you go on and learn by watching the other girls do their moves. It's okay to copy a little, but always make the move yours and put your own variation on it. When in doubt, move slow and sexy. You dont need to know how to go upside down and flip all over the place on the pole. Just move like you are having sex, pay attention to the guys sitting at the tip rail and smile when you approach them (this goes for all guys you approach anywhere in the club).

    And this totally helped my game: try taking the Dancer Wealth seminar. If you can't go there physically, the home study course is golden. Totally worth the investment.

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    Also, you can be polite and friendly without being a pushover. Whenever a guy seems to hesitate a little, gently push him on the sale. Say "you know, you look like you're ready for some fun, aren't you?". If he looks away and says "Well..." I answer "oh yes, you definitely are, and you will be so glad you met me tonight!". Usually you can push for a yes if you're not bitchy about it. Don't just give up at the first sign of hesitation! If he still says no, that's alright, try the next guy...but all it takes is a few extra seconds to try a bit harder, and half the time it will get you a dance.

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    With-out actually seeing you at work, it is hard to say what you are doing wrong.

    There are many different personalities that work well in the strip club, and you don't have to be like "dancer A" when your personality isn't at all like hers. I've known girls that had icy attitudes and still banked, or girls that played the "shy girl" role, and still banked. Figure out what works for you and don't try to be something you aren't.

    The key is to keep asking for dances, and to do so quickly. Don't let grass grow under you feet while talking to a non spending customer. Listen to how many songs have gone by in your convo, and if after 2-3 songs you still haven't popped the question, you are taking too long to close the sale. That customer might be sitting there wondering if you even want to dance for him, especially if you take a long time to getting around to asking him for a dance. He might be thinking that you are just killing time until someone more appealing comes along.

    If you are more comfortable being self depricating, then use that angle (don't make it a habit, though) and say something like "I'd love to dance for you, but I'm probably not your type." I've sold dances using that angle because I'm blonde with implants, and guys think by looking at me I must be stuck up, this puts me on a "human" level with them with a show of less ego and a little bit of insecurity. I know I'm playing a game, and they probably know it too, but whatever works!


    Promote yourself and earn more money! This is a business that is owned by strippers for strippers. Let's make that money!


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    and like someone said, keep in mind that you've only been dancing one week. It takes awhile for everything to flow together. I've been dancing for 4 years now, and I would say that it's only in the last 2 and more in the last year, that I've become good at what I do.

    If after a long time, you don't see any improvement, you can also check out other clubs. I really believe that not all clubs work for everyone. Some girls do really well in big, packed clubs while others do well in the more neighbourhood, dives. I'm not saying this is the case. I think it's too soon for you to get down on yourself period, but it's something to keep in mind.

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    wow...this is exactly what i was looking for today. I have been dancing for about a week too, and am having teh SAME EXCACT problem. I think the biggest thing for me is that I am not forward enough, and I tend to talk to the customers too long without asking for more dances. But I do like to say hello, my name is...and you are?... blah blah blah, before I ask them to spend $$$ on me. SO I'm gonna just try to keep convo short, and tell them I will be back soon to entertain them a little more. ANy other ideas?

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    Yea thats my prob too. One of the girls at work (shes really honest and straight foward, i love her) told me straight out I just sit there way to long and dont get nothing out of it. I have to figure a way to time myself and keep convo short. Most of the time they end up telling me their life stories and how bad they hate their wives and stuff. I kinda feel bad cutting them off or having them tell me all these things and then ask for a dance. Its kinda awkard after all that complaining ya know???
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    you want to move the customer to the dance area before he gets into his life story, ask for a dnace during a high point in the conversation, dont wait for your self to feel awkward, it will show. if you get a guy to the dance area, and he gets a dance or 2 and wants to talk, listen for a song or 2 (to seem sincere) and then look worried and tell him you really want to keep talking to him but you cant sit for so long because you have to pay out money depending on how many daces your with a customer, but if hes willing to pay for your time you would love to sit with him.

    even if you dont have to pay out its a good way to get things rolling and see if he's gonna pay more money or just suck up your time for free.

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    Completely agree. I have to get myself out of this routine b/c if i do, I know I'm gonna make double the $$$. I am working saturday night and I know there will be lots of money going around, so this is the plan I made for myself:
    1.) don't take a break until I have made $50
    2.) if I do like sitting and talking with someone, do not let more than 2 songs play w/o offering another dance, and by the third, if he doesn't, excuse myself and tell him I'll be back soon
    3.)even though my legs hurt, dance for someone immediately after getting off stage while you are fresh in their head (pref. someone who was eyeing you while you were up there/came to the tip rail)

    I'm gonna try those 3 things, and see if it makes a big difference. Try making up a rule for yourself, let me know how your next night goes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancerWealth
    Start with the ABCs of selling...

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    As I read that, I heard it in Alec Baldwin's voice.

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    Yeah, I started dancing about 3 1/2 months ago and that was my problem. I would just sit there and chat the night away with some guy who didn't want a dance at all. On slow nights where there are like 3 people, that's fine. But when there's actual money to be made, that's a huge no-no. Also, another common newbie mistake I was making was being afraid to ask. Beit dances, tips on stage, I was just scared to hear no.

    Finding your own style is also a major challenge. I had no idea what to wear or who to be, but now my dancer alter ego of sorts has her own style and personality. But she still has a long wait to go before completion.

    It just takes time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by naughtylilminx
    Most of the time they end up telling me their life stories and how bad they hate their wives and stuff. I kinda feel bad cutting them off or having them tell me all these things and then ask for a dance. Its kinda awkard after all that complaining ya know???
    Don't let it get that far. The very second he starts in on negativity, jump in and deflect it.

    Example:
    "My wife is such a bitch; she spent my whole paycheck this week on herself."
    "Wow, sounds like you need something for YOURself! Let's go have some fun. I promise to cheer you right up!"

    Then grab his hand and lead him to the lapdance area. The vast majority will drop the negativity at this point and follow you gladly. If they hesitate, you can remind him how hard he works and ask, "Don't you think you've earned the right to enjoy yourself?" And really, I believe this. What's the point in working all the time if you're not going to enjoy some of your money?

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    Rule of thumb: by the time the second song is on, you should be asking for a dance. Keep the convo light and fun, and just ask. Don't wait around, don't look for that perfect time to ask. NOW is the perfect time to ask!

    If a guy has started spilling his guts, you have already sat there too long. You should have asked BEFORE he gets to that point. If some guy starts that within 2 songs of knowing you, well, he's a loser and you should just move on to the next. Tell him you've got to get back to work, wish him a good night as you're getting up to leave. Smile because others may be watching.

    When you have more experience, you may learn ways to get even the loser gut spillers to get dances, but for now, you should concentrate on the easier targets. This is why I say if a guy has started with the spilling within 2 songs of knowing you, move on!

    Keep in mind that time is money - the more time you spend for free, the less money you can make tonight. Every time you sit and talk through a song, that's $20 (or whatever the dance price is) you have just lost. Tell yourself that over and over until it's engrained in your head. If that doesn't motivate you to start asking quicker, nothing will

    As for what you should be talking about, try something like this:
    Brief introductions, then...
    How ya doing? If he says "good/fine/whatever" and then asks how are you - say "FABulous!" or "FANtastic!" and say it like you mean it. Be fun.
    Comment on how hot it is as you press your cleavage toward him, or something similar - you get the idea hopefully.
    Let him say something "witty" in return - oh yeah baby, YOU'RE hot
    Giggle, pause, then go in for the kill. "So tell me, do we get to go in back and play or what?"

    Word your dance question more like a statement and that YOU want to dance for him.
    Can I dance for you?
    Are you gonna come in the back with me and let me ravage you now?
    My all time fave: I get to dance for you now..? -- as I'm ever so slightly nodding my head in the YES motion It works so often it almost oughta be patented

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    Giggle, pause, then go in for the kill. "So tell me, do we get to go in back and play or what?"

    Word your dance question more like a statement and that YOU want to dance for him.
    Can I dance for you?
    Are you gonna come in the back with me and let me ravage you now?
    My all time fave: I get to dance for you now..? -- as I'm ever so slightly nodding my head in the YES motion It works so often it almost oughta be patented

    Wow. Bet guys don't say "no" a lot. Right now, my wallet is telling me: stay out of Seattle and Phoenix . . .

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    ^^Oh but you'd love it

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    Yep. And my wallet has a habit of losing these arguments . . .

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    What always stopped me from making money when I first started was the fact that I was too nice. I also felt bad that the guys had to pay 100 dollars for VIP. I felt bad that I would have to leave in the middle of a conversation so I would just sit. I felt so bad for every little thing forgetting that it was a business, hurting my money big time.
    Treat it like a professional sales job and crank out as many customers as possible, while being sweet and flirty all the while.

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    I myself get discouraged too easily. Especially if Im not making what the other top entertainers are making are that night. The best thing is to wannadance on busier nights or weekends and if you don't get it, go to the guy who seemed the most interested and for a song a two. Repeat. Theres no need to waste time sitting if somone will get a dance. It may be best to sit first on slow nights, but you will need to evaluate every night differently. I always used to feel rude if cut a guy off to move on, was terrified of rejection, and didn't want to "bother" someone who is not interested in me. This is what we are here for.
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    ^ Yes, and please don't spoil them with free conversation b/c it just ruins them for everyone else.

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