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    for those of you who haven't heard any of the MANY recent newstories, some new ordinances are being voted on in two weeks. here are some articles....

    the whole thing makes me ill. it's not even about adult businesses, it's about civil rights. >_<

    http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2...center%20stage

    http://www.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBKT7RQHPE.html

    i've heard a ton of rants on the news lately by "concerned" people who think strip clubs cause people to become child molestors and rapists.

    here's a rundown of the proposals...

    Adult business owners and people applying for jobs at sexually oriented businesses would be required to undergo a criminal background check and obtain a license.

    •Alcohol sales and consumption would be prohibited. Existing clubs with alcohol licenses would be allowed to serve until their license expires.

    •Private viewing booths in adult video stores would be prohibited. Patrons viewing adult movies would have to be within sight of an employee.

    •Adult store owners would be required to provide overhead lighting anywhere patrons gather.

    •Store owners would be required to wash the floors within set periods of time.

    •Dancers in bikini bars would be required to stay at least 6 feet from customers while performing.

    •No fences or walls can obstruct views of the parking lots of sexually oriented businesses.

    •Dancers in seminude clubs would be prohibited from touching customers or their clothing.

    •Nudity would be prohibited inside so-called adult mobile cabarets, a reference to the recreational vehicle parked outside a Tampa Bay Buccaneers game last year by the owner of a dance club.

    •Parking lots would have to be inspected by an employee every 90 minutes to discourage lewd conduct.

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    damn, I wrote out a well thought out and elequent reply, then my comp shut down.

    Basics:

    I live by Tampa, and have considered working there, it's a 45-60 min drive with all the traffic, but the supposed money is tempting (in season).However, all this current crap makes a girl think twice.

    This is all rediculous! When they make laws like this, people break them, plain and simple. When the laws make sense, we all act like good little law abiding citizens.

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    Scott Bergthold aka Community Defense Counsel is at it again bilking taxpayers with is bogus "secondary effects" theories. Amazing... When will anyone understand this fascist idiot attorney has made a great living off of antiquated studies that do nothing but end up costing taxpayers $$$ while usually LOSING in court? In the end, the only people who benefit from such proposed legislation is the ATTORNEYS like Bergthold who sites his oudated and often bogus "secondary effects" studies which CAN'T be proven more often than not... and Lirot-who has to defend the clubs with his more accurate and relevant studies... NO COURT SHOULD RULE IN FAVOR OF THE OFTEN MISGUIDED PERCEPTIONS OF NEGATIVE "SECONDARY EFFECTS" THEORIES UNLESS THESE CAN INDEED BE PROVEN IN AN AREA RELEVANT TO THE CASE AT HAND IMHO. Never could understand why issues like this are of any concern or business to the the people who don't even patronize the clubs ? Guess we have a lot of "Fascist Theocrats" in our great country of America or is it Amerika? Keep in mind we still do have Lawrence vs. Texas http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71320
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    more election year 'free publicity'

    In reality, Florida already has enough existing laws on the books that any DA who puts his mind to it can bust dancers any time he wants. These proposed Tampa ordinances are obviously intended to hurt the clubowners in the wallet ... and will do severe financial damage to Tampa dancer income potential as well ... IF they are passed, and IF the clubs and dancers follow them.

    It has been my observation that when these sort of local ordinances do get passed, they actually make the clubs dirtier not cleaner. The reasoning is this ... if a dancer gets busted for touching a customer's clothing under a city ordinance it's a misdemeanor and a $500 fine. On the other hand, if a dancer gets busted giving a HJ or BJ or FS under state prostitution law, it's a misdemeanor bust and a $500 fine. From a criminal record standpoint they're both misdemeanor sex crimes. Thus some dancers very quickly discover that giving HJ's or BJ's or FS greatly add to their income potential, and pose absolutely no additional negative consequences from a legal standpoint over giving a contact lap dance.

    In fact, from a very ironic standpoint, the dancers who decide to augment their incomes by giving HJ's or BJ's or FS are the ones with enough extra money to hire their own attorneys who may be successful in having the charges dropped or bargained down. On the other hand, girls attempting to work around the edges of the city ordinance without resorting to 'extras' for additional income will likely be short of cash when busted, putting them at the mercy of the club's attorney (who will sell them out if it benefits the clubowner to do so) !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    more election year 'free publicity'

    In reality, Florida already has enough existing laws on the books that any DA who puts his mind to it can bust dancers any time he wants. These proposed Tampa ordinances are obviously intended to hurt the clubowners in the wallet ... and will do severe financial damage to Tampa dancer income potential as well ... IF they are passed, and IF the clubs and dancers follow them.

    It has been my observation that when these sort of local ordinances do get passed, they actually make the clubs dirtier not cleaner. The reasoning is this ... if a dancer gets busted for touching a customer's clothing under a city ordinance it's a misdemeanor and a $500 fine. On the other hand, if a dancer gets busted giving a HJ or BJ or FS under state prostitution law, it's a misdemeanor bust and a $500 fine. From a criminal record standpoint they're both misdemeanor sex crimes. Thus some dancers very quickly discover that giving HJ's or BJ's or FS greatly add to their income potential, and pose absolutely no additional negative consequences from a legal standpoint over giving a contact lap dance.

    In fact, from a very ironic standpoint, the dancers who decide to augment their incomes by giving HJ's or BJ's or FS are the ones with enough extra money to hire their own attorneys who may be successful in having the charges dropped or bargained down. On the other hand, girls attempting to work around the edges of the city ordinance without resorting to 'extras' for additional income will likely be short of cash when busted, putting them at the mercy of the club's attorney (who will sell them out if it benefits the clubowner to do so) !
    Couldn't agree more Melonie, it's a simple matter of supply and demand...If laws like this do indeed pass AND are ENFORCED, it just makes the liklihood of arranging OTC privates while patronizing the SC's which would take place in PRIVATE (LAWRENCE VS TEXAS) case local hotel rooms with dancer safety being jeopardized. Just opens up the liklihood for some club owner to open up a TOTALLY PRIVATE ROOM (maybe first tested in San Fransisco, CA?) to skirt these laws...
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    No vote on new rules for strip clubs
    After a debate about adult businesses and social ills, county commissioners decide they need more time.
    By BILL VARIAN, Times Staff Writer
    Published August 17, 2006

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    ON HOLD TILL BERTGHOLD SENDS THE CITY ANOTHER BILL AT TAXPAYERS EXPENSE...AMAZING MANY CITIES ARE IGNORANT ENOUGH TO PAY THIS FASCIST-MINDED ATTORNEY.

    TAMPA - A lawyer for the sex-entertainment industry condemned as "junk science" the research Hillsborough County is relying upon to justify tighter regulation of strip clubs and adult businesses.

    The county claims the clubs increase crime, spread disease and drag down property values.

    The analysis is shallow, and the assumptions are wrong, said Luke Lirot, addressing Hillsborough Commissioners on Wednesday.

    "What I have found in reviewing the studies ... is that the vast majority of these are simply junk science," said Lirot, who represents several owners of adult business in the Tampa Bay area and the Southeast.

    County commissioners ultimately postponed until September a decision on whether to require strippers and other sex-industry employees to purchase licenses and abide by a raft of new standards controlling their behavior and the settings where they ply their trade.

    They did so after Lirot dumped volumes of studies and other material on the board late Tuesday aimed at debunking the idea that sexually oriented businesses cause harmful secondary effects that justify intensified government regulation.

    Commissioners also heard from their own consulting attorney, who assured them that they were on a legally defensible course. He said the county was under no obligation to compare crime rates near strip clubs, for instance, with those of businesses that aren't sexually oriented.

    "The county can rely on any information reasonably believed to be relevant," said Scott Bergthold, whose law firm in Chattanooga, Tenn., specializes in helping local governments strengthen and defend their public nudity laws.

    Commissioners received encouragement from a capacity crowd, the overwhelming majority supporting stiffer regulations for sexually oriented businesses.

    Many quoted Scripture or their belief that the United States was founded on Christian principles. Others said they were tired of living in a community known for its many strip clubs.

    "God said modesty and decency are important and should be valued," said Denise Gossage of Valrico.

    Others praised commissioners for tackling such issues.

    "I've never seen a board quite like this that has been willing to take the stands that you take," said Bob Gustafson, president of the Hillsborough County Christian Educators Association.

    Many received a letter Commissioner Ronda Storms mailed to 6,000 people encouraging them to attend. The mailing cost about $1,900 in postage, and Storms said it was sent to people who have previously voiced interest in the topic.

    "People have an opportunity and a right to know that we are going to be doing this," she said in justification of the mass mailing.

    The letter appears to refer to the recent arrest of the former wife and daughter of Mons Venus strip club owner Joe Redner on prostitution charges, as well as the arrest of an adult book store owner accused of possessing child porn.

    Redner, who spoke at the meeting, accused some board members of being hypocrites and said the new law will cost the county millions in legal challenges when it should be dealing with more pressing issues.

    "Overcrowded schools, gridlocked traffic and environmental rape," Redner said. "That's what you should be dealing with."

    In addition to requiring licenses of adult-business owners and their employees, the new rules would place size requirements on rooms where dancers perform, set lighting standards in sexually oriented theaters and ban touching of customers in bikini bars where alcohol is sold, among other things.

    Bergthold has assembled several studies from around the country that suggest such behavior causes spikes in crime and illicit behavior, and that the adult businesses drive down surrounding property values.

    Lirot's experts said the studies don't follow sound scientific methods and can be refuted by better analysis that suggests the opposite is true. The county's studies largely fail to show a cause and effect between the presence of a strip club and increased crime, for instance.

    Both lawyers were accompanied by "experts" who either bolstered or debunked a link between adult businesses and social ills. One of Lirot's seemed to draw the most chuckles and snickers from the partisan crowd.

    Terry Danner, chairman of the department of criminology at Saint Leo University, said he reviewed crime statistics in 32 cities of similar size, including Tampa, that have varying concentrations of adult businesses and could identify no trends.

    One study showed a high concentration of crime in the vicinity of Raymond James Stadium during Tampa Bay Buccaneers home games. He said under the county's standards, football games would be blamed rather than the assembly of a large number of people, some drinking alcohol.

    Judith Lynne Hanna, a senior research scholar in the department of dance at the University of Maryland, whose education is in anthropology, said regulating strippers and not other dancers, like those who perform ballet, and would amount to discrimination. She said much of what takes place in strip clubs is similar to "da butt," "freaking," "booty dancing," "doggy dancing," "front piggy-backing" or "dirty dancing," all intimate dance moves common at high school social events.

    Several heads shook in disbelief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laplover69
    No vote on new rules for strip clubs
    After a debate about adult businesses and social ills, county commissioners decide they need more time.
    By BILL VARIAN, Times Staff Writer
    Published August 17, 2006

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    ON HOLD TILL BERTGHOLD SENDS THE CITY ANOTHER BILL AT TAXPAYERS EXPENSE...AMAZING MANY CITIES ARE IGNORANT ENOUGH TO PAY THIS FASCIST-MINDED ATTORNEY.

    Judith Lynne Hanna, a senior research scholar in the department of dance at the University of Maryland, whose education is in anthropology, said regulating strippers and not other dancers, like those who perform ballet, and would amount to discrimination. She said much of what takes place in strip clubs is similar to "da butt," "freaking," "booty dancing," "doggy dancing," "front piggy-backing" or "dirty dancing," all intimate dance moves common at high school social events.

    Several heads shook in disbelief.

    Omfg, duh. High school dances and nightclubs can get way dirtier! bahfdhgasjh

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    We have to look at the root reason why conservatives and religious groups continue to use the political process to target adult venue closure. In other words, why do they really want them closed?

    Politicians just want votes, and will sell their mother and father down the river to stay in office, so they really aren't the prime issue.

    Any person whom I consider "normal", is liberal. Liberal people are live and let live types, who harbor no prejudices towards others whom are different, and harbor no prejudices towards those who lead different lifestyles. "Normal" people do not preoccupy their time trying to make everyone in the world a criminal who does not adhere to their lifestyle. The word liberal DOES NOT hold the meaning conservatives and the media give to it. Anyone who is NOT liberal, in the true sense of the word, is seeking control over other peoples lives for SELF GAIN.

    Why do the conservatives continually pressure politicans to legislate against adult venues? Money. No one does anything unless money is involved. Having a more "pure" society void of non-traditional value temptations, the religious people feel, will allow them to recruit more church members, which in turn will increase their revenues and power within society.

    Church membership is sagging, and these "conservative control freaks" are fighting everything that detracts the average citizen from attending church regularly.

    If us "normal liberal people" had the financial resources the church groups have, and were organized by an ultra wealthy leadership, the sheer numbers of "normal liberal people" would outweigh the conservative control freaks, and most politicians would take our side, and leave the adult industry alone.

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