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    I'd love to know what you ladies think. Management has promised that the no lap dance rule would increase our money, but I don't know.

    Here's the deal. If we are not dancing in the VIP, we are only allowed to dance on table tops.

    Pros: Pushes customers to the VIP, assures no contact on the main floor, looks really sexy, nice view of punani (club is nude). We aren't allowed to spread or show pink so the punani view is something the customers like.

    Cons: Not every customer wants to go to the VIP, not every customer can afford the VIP, not very intimate or personal

    My club is upscale with a 5 star restaurant. I never have problems with punks. It's not uncommon for men to come in and drop several grand. But what about the ones who come in with several hundred?

    I guess I'm writing for some encouragment. The customers aren't taking to the table top dances. Some nights I don't sell VIPs and really depend on the money from floor dances.

    The GM said we'd swtich back if it doesn't work. It's been about 2 weeks since the ban took effect.

    Le sigh.
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    Where on earth do you work? Your GM had better hope that his clientele returns when he switches back.

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    Default Re: Lap dances banned at my club -- good or bad?

    Not sure...seems like it sounds better in theory though. Would be different if all the clubs in the area were doing the same - but if custies dont like it they can find a club that doesnt require VIP for a lapdance....Let us know how it goes.

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    I think this is a good concept if you can do table dances (by this I mean chair dances on the floor in the customer's chair) that are air dances or where guys can't touch during the dance. The last place I worked was like this. Lots more guys bought VIPs there because it was the only private place to get some touching. But the guys with less to spend still had something. But it sounds like you do dances on top of an actual table? That is wierd. I definately make more $$ in my club now where there are dances in all ranges of prices--this gets customers with all budgets spending and every little bit adds up!

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    I couldn't imagine having private dances banned at our club. That is where most of the girls makes their money!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna78
    I think this is a good concept if you can do table dances (by this I mean chair dances on the floor in the customer's chair) that are air dances or where guys can't touch during the dance. The last place I worked was like this. Lots more guys bought VIPs there because it was the only private place to get some touching. But the guys with less to spend still had something. But it sounds like you do dances on top of an actual table? That is wierd. I definately make more $$ in my club now where there are dances in all ranges of prices--this gets customers with all budgets spending and every little bit adds up!
    I'm afraid of isolating the men who come in with $300. I want their $300! To have a good time in the VIP, you must spend about $400-$600/hour.

    We do have VIP areas where the admission is $25 and you can have all the intimate (no contact) $10 dances you want for the evening. Girls don't sell this because it cuts into the value of our hours. Usually in VIP areas, we sell by the hour and get paid at least $250. If we sell by the dance and take breaks during the dances, we get paid about $80. Obviously, no girl offers the $10 VIP dances. It's either out on the floor, out in the open, or in the VIP areas where we are paid by the hour.

    When I mention the $10 VIP dances (I'll only dance a max of 2 before bolting), they feel hustled when I tell them about the $25. "Waaah! I already paid a cover!"

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    are you allowed to get tipped/ask for tips on the 10$ VIP dances?

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    I definitely see why your pissed. Sounds like the clubs hard up for money maybe...



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    Trust me, this is not a tactic to help the girls make more money, it's a tactic to help the CLUB make more money, by forcing customers who want a decent dance to buy the expensive VIP where the club gets a significant cut. Club owners will often change rules when they feel the girls are walking away with too much of the customers' money, and the changes will always be designed to help the club get more of it. They will bullshit the girls by saying it will "help you make more money", to make you go along with it.

    Also, I'll bet there will be an increase in extras in the VIP soon - when rules like this are enforced, it practically forces girls to offer more action in the VIP in order to get guys to buy it.

    I haven't seen a rule like this yet that worked out any other way. My predictions may not happen overnight; it's usually a gradual change, but doesn't take too long. I'd be searching for another club...
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    I don't know, it sounds like a good idea to me. *shrug*

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    i kinda think its a good idea, but then again it would kinda suck if extras started happening b/c of the change. and if the management is doing this for them and only them to get money out of it, that is bs and i would find another club if u can

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella
    are you allowed to get tipped/ask for tips on the 10$ VIP dances?
    We are allowed to ask once per customer. The thing is that when I do a $10 VIP dance, I'm not circulating the room. No new customers see me and say, "Hey, she needs to come over here." When I hop tables, it's dance after dance after dance after dance. Now it's dance, wait 4-6 songs, dance, wait 4-6 songs.

    I'm afraid that the girls who regularly don't do VIPs will see a significant drop in their earnings.

    Somedays, I don't want to do VIPs (too much bullshit) and chose to do plain dances. Dance after dance after dance really adds up! Sure it's only $10, but it's an easy sell on the price alone. I don't hear "Maybe later."

    Well, that's how it was.

    Maybe it's just August.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    Trust me, this is not a tactic to help the girls make more money, it's a tactic to help the CLUB make more money, by forcing customers who want a decent dance to buy the expensive VIP where the club gets a significant cut. Club owners will often change rules when they feel the girls are walking away with too much of the customers' money, and the changes will always be designed to help the club get more of it. They will bullshit the girls by saying it will "help you make more money", to make you go along with it.

    Also, I'll bet there will be an increase in extras in the VIP soon - when rules like this are enforced, it practically forces girls to offer more action in the VIP in order to get guys to buy it.

    I haven't seen a rule like this yet that worked out any other way. My predictions may not happen overnight; it's usually a gradual change, but doesn't take too long. I'd be searching for another club...
    I don't wanna go to a new club! I love this one.

    I hope no extras go in VIP rooms. Mostly, it's just sitting and talking. Really.

    I'm surprised we get away with being no contact. I love that rule. I f-cking hate people touching me.

    The club charges the customer $200/hour per room and $25 admission to the VIP lounge. They are typically at max capacity by 11 pm, so I don't see the need for a push to those areas.

    The management said that they wanted to go back to being a "show club" for gentlemen. I'd like that ... if it didn't hurt my earnings. I think that era is dead.

    I know that many entertainers walked with $500+ in the 80s from $5 dances. It was a different time.

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    What city are you in????

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    I don't know, it sounds like a good idea to me. *shrug*
    It really does in theory. I'll see how it pans out in the fall. It might work.

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    I don't think it's going to be an issue during the week for the business/traveling men but I am a little concerned about the weekend people we get which are mostly locals. There's other clubs in town that offer the $10 dances on the floor right up next to the customer. I've heard the weekenders complain about the new rule but not so much the business men. Time will tell to see if this works. This club used to dance this way only years back and then they changed it and now they're changing back. I honestly don't think it's a way to hurt the dancers earnings because the club doesn't have as high of tip out as most clubs do. I think in theory what they're trying to accomplish is "why give the goods out on the floor for $10, there's no incentive to upgrade" I mean, think about it. As a customer why would you want to pay between $250-$450 per hour for an airdance that you can get out in the open for $10? That's why they've incorporated this new rule. Time will tell if this works out better or worse.

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    Yeah, it sounds like a good idea in theory. But realistically, you can't really put the genie back in the bottle so to speak. Trying to make guys who used to buy lots of floor dances, probably from several girls, suddenly buy an expensive VIP with one girl doesn't usually fly. The number of guys who have the money and desire to spend on VIP is limited, and there's no 2 ways around that. And I'll almost bet the customer headcount will drop - many of those guys who used to enjoy the floor dances may very well find another club where they can still get those dances.

    Believe me, it's for the club's benefit. The girls, on average, will most likely see a drop in earnings as they 1) lose customers who used to come in and enjoy the floor dances but don't have the cash or inclination to go for vip and 2) find it harder to sell the remaining guys on VIP only. The club however, will see an increase in earnings as a FEW more customers per night go for VIP (maybe not enough to support all the girls, but since when does a club do anything for the benefit of the girls???)

    The only girls who will benefit from this change are those who are great VIP sellers and who sell alot of VIP already - or those who learn quickly. The rest of the girls will basically be shit outta luck. The biggest winner will be the club, as they see their VIP room sales increase while many of their girls suddenly have a hard time making a living.

    If you want to stay at this club and keep making a living, brush up on your VIP sales skills!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette

    The only girls who will benefit from this change are those who are great VIP sellers and who sell alot of VIP already - or those who learn quickly. The rest of the girls will basically be shit outta luck. The biggest winner will be the club, as they see their VIP room sales increase while many of their girls suddenly have a hard time making a living.
    Totally agree. I'm lucky in that I can sell VIPs. OTOH, some nights I prefer not to do them and just to dance till my feet fall off. There are times when I can't put up with listening to customers tell me how they're going to eat my pussy and take me to France. And I don't care how much they are paying.

    I like the option of floor dances.

    I enjoy giving them. As it is a no contact, no pink club, I have the freedom to be sensual and entertaining, not a pair of tits to grope and an ass to grab. The tease is put back in striptease.

    BTW, my earnings have gone waaaaaay up, like, doubled. I know I shouldn't complain but I want my floor dances! Also, a lot of the girls' earnings have taken a dive. Where they were getting $300-$600, now they are struggling at $100-$200. Basically, I'm taking their money. I'm not a commie, but I think there should be a balance so that everyone is happy (mostly) and the committed, good dancers do not go home bitter.

    Or maybe they aren't selling because they are not happy doing table top dances?

    I dunno.

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    I'll be honest: as a customer who regularly is willing to spend a few hundred but will not spend a few thousand, I would probably leave your club after the first drink.

    Forcing everything to VIP means that the customer who doesn't want to spend a grand has to pick one dancer and that is his shot for the night. In contrast, floor dances are "scaleable" -- you can learn over several dances whether you really like the dancer without shooting your whole budget on your first guess. Once I realized that I did not have that option, I probably would head out.

    So I think your fear about the several hundred dollar crowd may be justified. The customers who are very wealthy or willing to pad their expense accounts may not be affected, but you may find you lose some pretty good business from others.

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    I'd say screw management, and offer your own "special" service to the customers. Still sell the air dances, but offer to the customer something like a back rub or just sitting in their laps talking dirty or something for the same price as the old floor dances.

    I would offer it as an incentive to go back to VIP. If the customer likes the floor dance/dirty talk then say the amount that he spent on those dances would be free if he buys VIP. Then if he doesn't want to go back to VIP, he simply pays you the $20 a song (or whatever) and he can seek out other girls.

    You'd be following the rules and still able to entertain the lower budget customers.


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    Customers though can still get $10 dances on the floor right in front of the customer at the bar area, in which there's 2 bars on the main floor which will each seat about 20 customers and many customers stand there too so there could be about 80 customers at the bar (total for both bars) that can get floor dances. The dancers are allowed to take a customer over to the bar if a seat is available, the dancers just have to dance on the table top on the main floor where the tables are. This club was built for table top dancing, the tables were designed that way, they're bolted sturdy into the floor. I think what the concern is for many of the dancers are they're afraid of falling off the tables and getting hurt-that's why they're not wanting to do so many table top dances. I can completely understand why they'd feel that way too, I'm just hoping something good will come out of this and benefit everyone. As I said, I think the weekenders are going to be affected the most, I work on the weekends and since the rule I have noticed a drop in my earnings but I'm still keeping an open mind. There are some customers that like dancers dancing on top of the table because they can see everything better.

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    Paris I think you might be on to something and your help is needed and appreciated but there's another obstacle here. We're not allowed to sit on guy's laps and our club has a "massage hostess" that goes around the club and give's shoulder massages for the same prices as dances. We'd probably get in trouble for cutting into the massage hostesses earnings if we did that. Please, more ideas for us!!! Thank you!

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    They could be unhappy with the new rules and therefore unable to sell it. They could be poor vip sellers. Either way I don't think it's good for the girls in general. Some girls will see more money but many will see alot less (as we'd alluded earlier and you have confirmed). Which means those girls who start making less may either leave the club altogether (which winds up being a customer deterrent as well, less eyecandy), or some may start offering extras in the vip as a way to get their earnings back up - which will, of course, open up a whole 'nother can of worms.

    They may have done it this way and flourished in the 80s, but......this ain't the 80s anymore!

    But the biggest problem, IMO, is that rules like this put off many customers who used to come in and enjoy spending their money. The businessmen may not complain to you, but then they also may start to come in less because they simply want the other options. Along with the animosity it can create amongst the girls who have watched their incomes plummet, this can create an unpleasant working environment.

    But good for you increasing your money! On the bright side, this could really boost your bank account balance, and unless it runs off too many customers, could serve to weed out the riffraff Also, if you feel like just selling some floordances sometimes, couldn't you do that at another club? I have often gotten hired at 2-3 clubs in town, because sometimes I feel like working in the different environments, or because one club may be better on certain nights than others...

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    Bridgette, I really hope that doesn't happen at my club!!! The thing I love most about my club is it isn't an extras ridden club, that's why it's been around for 36 yrs. I really hope we'll all be able to find a happy medium in there, somehow. But reading what you put, you might be right. I've only been in this business for about 4 months so I have nothing to go by and this being the only club I've worked at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leogirl876
    Bridgette, I really hope that doesn't happen at my club!!! The thing I love most about my club is it isn't an extras ridden club, that's why it's been around for 36 yrs. I really hope we'll all be able to find a happy medium in there, somehow. But reading what you put, you might be right. I've only been in this business for about 4 months so I have nothing to go by and this being the only club I've worked at.
    Well, all my gloom and doom aside, it could work out. Atlanta is still a unique market compared to the rest of the country. If you can work some weeknights, try that. And brush up on your VIP sales skills! At 4 months you can't be that good at selling them yet, so work on that. If you still make less money after that, maybe try another club. I know there's more than one club in ATL where you can make decent money without offering extras I've always thought that one of the biggest mistakes girls make in this business is getting too used to one club and being afraid to try another - IMO that is a big hindrance to maximizing profit. Gotta go where you make the most money!

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