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    Oh for Frith's sake! Egads....

    "The Child Obesity Prevention Bill," would impose a sales tax on sodas and other sweetened beverages, with half of the proceeds going to school districts that stop selling sodas on their campuses. The rest would go to various programs providing healthcare and health education.



    I like soda. I like drinking soda. If some moms cant get their kids away from the Xbox to exercise, or dont know how much soda is too much, this shouldnt come out of MY damned wallet! And SCREW the schools and gubbmint if they think they should decide how my kids should eat in school!



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    On a similar note, the WendyWife bought a Mounds candy bar last week. On the inside of the wrapper it actually said "Please consume in moderation". WTF. KNOW WHEN TO SAY WHEN TO TOO MUCH CANDY, FATTY MCFATFAT. It's so ridiculous.
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    I can see what your saying page. I think this is not such a bad idea but it would be more effective if they did not allow you to buy soda with food stamps then putting a tax on it.
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    You can't buy soda with food stamps? Huh. Never knew.



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    Quote Originally Posted by PaigeDWinter
    Oh for Frith's sake! Egads....

    "The Child Obesity Prevention Bill," would impose a sales tax on sodas and other sweetened beverages, with half of the proceeds going to school districts that stop selling sodas on their campuses. The rest would go to various programs providing healthcare and health education.



    I like soda. I like drinking soda. If some moms cant get their kids away from the Xbox to exercise, or dont know how much soda is too much, this shouldnt come out of MY damned wallet! And SCREW the schools and gubbmint if they think they should decide how my kids should eat in school!



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    That's not freedom, dude.

    That's the government involving itself in minutae that it was never meant to be involved in.

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    They just made soda more expensive than juice here to stop ALL obesity, not just 'for the children'. On another note, shouldn't the government like it? Afterall, the more obese there are, the less social security they'll have to pay.


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    i don't really care if they charge extra for sodas in schools and use that money to promote healthier options, but i don't want to pay more for my diet mountain dew that i have on occassion (if coffee fails). already do that for recycling with the bottle deposit, but i don't mind doing that because i get the money back, and it promotes people to recycle. charging a tax on soda won't make kids drink it less.
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    Americans drink an average of fifty gallons of soda a year. Fifty gallons per person! That's obscene. Is it any wonder half this nation is overweight/obese?

    That said, the idea of the government taxing and spending using yet another regressive tax is just galling.
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    I wonder if they'll someday pass the tax we all really need...a stupidity tax on politicians and bureaucrats.

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    Just a way of raising revenue without raising taxes, this is a new tax.
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    technically in MA they already have a soda tax. 5cent deposit on any can or bottle of carbonated beverage(cabonated water has a deposit, but not still water... go figure). Yes, this deposit is refundable and it wasn't instituted eons ago to curb obesiety. it was done to get people to stop littering and to start recycling. NOW however, most towns have curbside recycling. so, for someone to collect on their deposit they have to DRIVE(consume.... waste fuel) to get their five cents back. So now-a-days most people i know if they drink it at home just use their curbside recycling. thus creating a 5cent tax per bottle/can. so if they passed another tax you'd have two taxes on soda. and seriously, is that going to stop anyone from drinking soda? NO! soda is cheap. unless its a 600% tax people will still drink soda. they'll just have less money to spend on say vegitables.

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    So now-a-days most people i know if they drink it at home just use their curbside recycling. thus creating a 5cent tax per bottle/can. so if they passed another tax you'd have two taxes on soda.
    Just because someone doesn't return their beverage bottle for deposit doesn't make the deposit a tax.

    As for the actual soda tax...I'd be for it, except it's so arbitrary...why a tax on soda but not on, say, 'apple drink' (5% real fruit juice!)? Is it the carbonation?

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    They say the stuff in soda is making us fat. I mean the scientist who did the study! They release this a long time ago. This is what they study found! They also said they are going to use the tax thats on the soda for the schools in the USA. Back in early April when they was trying to get congress to pass this soda tax thing. People was a little angry but nobody wrote to thier local congress man. But it's not to late!
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    People also argured that if they do this beer will be cheaper than soda, and people will drink more beer.
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    ^ Well, (tap) water is cheaper than all of it, so by that logic...

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    What about a low/no cal soda?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardkandee
    You can't buy soda with food stamps? Huh. Never knew.
    Yea you can. I think, what Krchab was sayin that it would be a smarter choice if the gubbmint (thanks Paige for the new word) would put restrictions on things like that.







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    I was on a flight from Paris to the US and was approching the flight lounge I wondered why are there so many fat people here and it hit me, it's a flight to the US.
    i'm all against goverment intervention but i'll make an exception. anything the goverment can do about this I am 100% behind.

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    There are many overweight people in the US compared to many other countries. But when you have a country that has a majority of it's dining establishments that are fast food or fried food restaurants, it really makes sense.

    Taxing people to get them to stop doing something... it does sound a bit like smoking. But then again an obese person reduces what I have to pay in health insurance, and so do smokers. Could be worse I guess, but socialist laws like this are unfair.
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    Well, strictly speaking the fact that you like something doesn't mean it shouldn't/can't be taxed. For example - I like money. I still have to pay taxes. I like socks. I have to pay tax of those too. Unless they are for children. But my feet won't fit into little child sized socks. So. And the schools are already controlling what kids eat - they are just controlling it in a way that would generally be considered undesirable - that is what is cheapest and easiest to move. Read: french fries, gravy, and fried fingerfood of some kind. I can't think that incentive to at least provide choice, possibly even encouragement for healthy eating is all that bad.

    On the other hand, I do see valid concern with over-regulation. But, food is already highly regulated, just in a way that in invisible to us most of the time. I mean, you don't want the government repealing standards on the maximum amount of rat feces in your canned goods because it is minutiae, and people should be responsible for knowing that/controlling that sort of intake themselves, surely? I don't know - there seems to be a difference, but I'm finding it hard to quantify.

    There has also been an ongoing issue in both Canada and the US with soft drink companies "buying" schools - that is buying the right to exclusively advertise and sell their product on the premises. I wonder how that is going to fit in.

    As for not being able to buy soda with food stamps - how will this help give children in schools encouragement/choice to consume less sugar? I can't imagine that the soda market is really focussing on poor/indigent families. I'm pretty sure that it is drunk out of moderation by the middle classes too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cinammonkisses
    Yea you can. I think, what Krchab was sayin that it would be a smarter choice if the gubbmint (thanks Paige for the new word) would put restrictions on things like that.
    Ahhh... that make sense. Thank you!

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    I don't drink soda (or as we in the midwest call it "pop") at all, but I think putting a sale's tax on it is silly and ineffective. It's not going to stop kids or adults for that matter for being overweight. They are simply going to pay the extra money. There would have to be an entire cultural overhall for children to ever reach the low levels of obesity (safer neighborhoods that people felt ok to let their kids run around outside in, closer neighborhoods that kids could play with each other instead of having to arrange "playdates", the reintroduction of recess instead of spending time on standardized tests, busy parents feeding their kids something different for dinner instead of McDonalds, poorer people to have access to more nutritious foods, etc etc.)

    Since I see no viable solutions to these issues as of yet, the problem of obesity will not improve. And even though the U.S. has been laughed at for the past few decades as the "fat capital of the world" it's soon becoming a global problem on every continent. 1/3 adults in the U.K. will soon be obese and 1/5 children in China is overweight.

    Anyways, I just feel like the tax is another way for the government to make $$$ under the all too famouse guise of "but this is for the children..."


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    Quote Originally Posted by lunchbox
    What about a low/no cal soda?
    Actually, this is a more profound statement than you realize. If the government is going to use the logic that soda makes you fat because of all the empty calories, I'd love to see how they are going to defend taxing diet soda with that mentality. Somehow I think they'll overlook the huge hole in their argument and tax diet soda anyway. It's government guys, if they can find a way to tax you, they will. It all gets back to the toll-road argument. Ever notice how a local government will impose a toll to offset construction of a new road and then, when the road is paid for 20 times over the toll booth still stays? It's just that now that toll goes to the schools or to fund some other project that's mis-managed. For those of you who have to deal with them (we don't have them in Nevada), when was the last time you saw a toll-booth come down? I didn't think so.

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