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    I work in a club that makes me give up about half of my earnings, but the money is the best I've found out of anywhere else. I think that's why the tip out is so high. They think they can take a good chunk of it because we are making a ton.

    My fee to the house is $15 for a $40 dance IF I show up ON TIME (which forces us to work 8 hour shifts on Thurs, Fri and Sat). Otherwise, it's $17 for each dance.

    A VIP half hour is $600, one hour is $1200! They take about half.

    Also, we have to give up $1 for every dance we do to the DJ, bouncer, floor manager, club manager and the door guy (I don't use the valet, thank god). We tip $1 for every drink sold to each waitress, but I often tip more because I like them on a personal level and they usually do a great job.

    House fee is $20 IF I show up ON TIME. If not, it's $30.
    We also have a drink hustle, where we have to sell 3 (day shift), 4 (week nights), and 6 (weekend nights) non-alcoholic drinks. If not, we pay $10 for each drink we don't sell. If we sell over our quota, those drinks don't count toward future nights.

    If we miss one of our 3 mandatory shifts, we either have to come in on a crappy day shift, or pay $20 before we can work a night shift again.
    We also get fined (not sure of the amount) for not going on stage when our name is called.

    It all totally adds up!

    How many of you feel like your club extorts your money? Not just traditional tip outs, but does the club really suck up a lot of your earnings? It's just kind of disheartening to me when I have about $1300 in my purse and I go home with about $600 or so.

    Edit: By the way, this is a nude club. I feel that for all the violating garbage I often have to deal with, I should be able to keep most of my money.

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    To me that is complete bullshit, but if you stay you are just perpetuating the owners cycle in a way

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    abso-fucking-loutly!!!


    my club takes 45%, but they work it so legally we cant claim to be paying the club anything. for example a 30min dance is $45 to be paid to the club for use of the room and $55 to the dancer for her time. the custy pays $100. meh technicallity. i know i am paying my club a few hundred dollars everytime i go to work,weather they word it like that or not. i wouldnt charge a customer in ANY nude club a measly $55 for a half hour dance if i was getting 100% of the cut.now that a fucking joke!!!!

    it sucks, but what can ya do.complainign gets nowhere, and changing clubs isnt always an option. hang in there, your making good money now arent you?

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    The closest I've come is a club that took half of the lapdance money. That sucks hun. I wish I knew a groovy place for you to rock socks at...
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    A club I waitressed at had a thing where...their amounts of money they asked for tip out wasn't a ridiculous amount...but no one could figure out where it was going. The dancers had to tip out, the waitresses had to tip out more than the dancers, the bartenders tipped out....everyone who got any kind of money had to tip out and no one ever knew who it was going to. The club made PLENTY of money off the bar, and it wasn't a huge club to run.

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    The percentage isn't what's bad, it's what you're tipping for. I had a club take seventy four percent.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PookaShell
    A club I waitressed at had a thing where...their amounts of money they asked for tip out wasn't a ridiculous amount...but no one could figure out where it was going. The dancers had to tip out, the waitresses had to tip out more than the dancers, the bartenders tipped out....everyone who got any kind of money had to tip out and no one ever knew who it was going to. The club made PLENTY of money off the bar, and it wasn't a huge club to run.
    Answer: It was going to the owners and managers. Who else would it go to? The fees we pay most certainly aren't being used to pay staff or invest in the facility or marketing of the club

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    To me, the only thing that truly matters is the amount of money you are able to walk out of the club with at the end of the night. If one club charges large fees and takes large 'cuts', but also provides for a $600 a night earnings potential, and if a second club charges smaller fees and takes smaller 'cuts' but only provides for a $300 a night earnings potential, give me the first club every time. In general, the club money derived from the larger fees and 'cuts' winds up being (partially) reinvested in the business i.e. classy club furnishings, advertising, political contributions to keep ordinances and busts away etc. which make the larger earnings potential possible in the first place !

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    In some cases it gets reinvested in that way. In others, not really. In places I've worked where EVERYONE had to pay the man, it seemed like they weren't doing any reinvesting, which seems ass backwards, but then, it's strip club management...

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    wow, i don't even know if i could remember to pay all that every single night! I am very happy that my tipout is simple 10% to the DJ, and 5 bucks to the bouncer. But....it is a fairly small club, not 1300 dollars a night kinda thing (c'mon im in upstate ny). So, like Melonie said, it does suck that a large chunk of money that YOU earned is leaving your purse, but the earning potential is high there, so they can make you pay that amount. Its your choice whether you want to stay there, or work somewhere with lower house fees, etc.... but you probably would be going home with less $$$ anyway.

    Everyone (like the management here) will get as much money out of each person as they can. This inludes the customers and in turn, the employees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensuality
    wow, i don't even know if i could remember to pay all that every single night!
    Yeah, that's my main problem with a club that takes all kinds of complicated cuts like that! Greed I can understand, but it just seems like they're trying to also be as difficult as possible. I'd rather have a flat rate fee and then everything else is gravy . . . My club does a combination of the two.
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    $1200 an hour for VIP? That's ridiculous. Do you actually sell those?

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    ^^^ I personally happen to agree with the 'flat rate' fee, but many clubowners and dancers don't see things the same way. If a club has a 'flat rate' stage fee of say $200 a night, plus another say $50 in flat rate tipouts, this creates a scenario where top notch dancers who can gross say $800 take home $550, but also creates a scenario where 'marginal' dancers who only gross say $200 a night go home $50 'in the hole'.

    In certain markets (like Manhattan for example), there are enough top notch dancers available that the club can afford to lose 'marginal' dancers and still field a full stage. In fact, the 'flat rate' fee structure tends to create a strong incentive for top notch dancers to migrate to that club and attract 'upscale' customers, and an equally strong incentive for 'marginal' dancers to migrate away from that club versus earning next to nothing (or actually losing money). However, in other markets where there may not be a ready supply of top notch dancers available, the 'flat rate' fee structure may in fact leave the club with only a handful of dancers, which can in turn drive away customers.

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    I briefly worked in a club where they took all your earnings, including tips and it was horrible because in this case, the result was that you didn't make any money. I was one of the top earners and after the tip out, was making 300 dollars a night.

    It is sooo frustrating and I love clubs where you can pay a flat fee. However, if there is not another club in your area where you can consistently make 600, then I guess you should probably stick with it.

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    I would have a huge problem with that. I don't care if the overall money is better; it's the principle of the thing. I will not be pimped out, and a club that takes more than half your money is nothing but a pimp.

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    wow... I can't believe how much money you have to give up... I only pay out 15 to the house 5 to the dj and 20 for my driver... so its 60$ a night.. and I walk out with all my money ..
    we should stand up for our rights.. they should be paying us to work.. if they didnt have us girls they wouldn't have a very popular bar..

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    One of my clubs takes half the lapdance fee and half the VIP fee, then charges $20 DJ fee, and $120 house fee. The club has lost girls steadily all summer going from 30 dancers in a night to 12 and replaced waitresses and bouncers repeatedly. They keep raising fees and implementing fines exhorbitant fines as more girls walk out or refuse further bookings. But somehow they can't see why girls don't bother coming back.

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    I have a problem paying out so much too, but if I consistently make more money at that club than any other in the area, I consider the fees a premium for the ability to make that money.

    I love flat fee clubs too, but if I'm walking out with MORE in my pocket at the end of the night, I don't mind coughing up a higher cut of my sales. It's a cost of doing business and I figure (hope) the club must be using the money to pay for advertising / payoffs / maintenance which makes my income possible.

    We may be the reason the customers go to our clubs, but without the clubs we wouldn't have a place to do our business. So paying to work, IMO, is a necessary evil. We just have to make sure we vote with our feet and make sure we aren't being unnecessarily gouged.

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    I guess the reason I stay is because of Melonie's reasoning...if the club allows me to make a larger amount because of the clientelle or whatever, then I am not going somewhere where I only make $200-300 and the tip out is lower. The potential is really high, but not every night. I do have those nights where it is really slow and I end up taking home $150, sometimes less because of all the money they take. And they are NOT lenient on those crappy nights when I only sell 2 drinks and 3 dances.
    I just wonder how legal it is; it does feel like I am being pimped sometimes, especially since it's kind of a dirty club. The extras girls must feel this more than myself.

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    Legal? It's not legal although I'm not a lawyer or lawmaker or anything like that but they get away with it because they can! If every single dancer walked out of every club in the entire world, there would be more waiting right behind us, so we couldn't win on it! The best thing we can do is decide for ourselves what is worth staying and what is worth leaving. I personally would rather work in a club that had higher fees with higher income potential and good working environments than a club that had lower fees but much lower income and worse working environments. You give and take.

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    Realistically most clubs with no liquor license have higher fees. Juice bars as a whole do far less volume than full bar clubs. Most full bar clubs in average cities have reasonable flat house fees in the $25-$60 range, plus either a flat fee to the DJ of $10-$15 or 10% of your earnings, plus maybe $5 to each bouncer. Of course some cities full bar clubs charge $140 a night. Minneapolis is an example of that. Many girls who live there work in the surrounding small towns where the club keeps $5 a dance, but pays $300-$400 base pay for a 6 night week, and a tip out of around $20 nightly, as Twin City clubs have erratic earnings sometimes and the hustle gets really intense constantly worrying if you will lose money or make money every night you work. In some instances money in smaller places is far more steady than big glitzy ones.

    It can be EXTREMELY stressful for a full time dancer to have to pay high house fees when she is working with as many or more dancers as customers night after night. Being able to go through the motions nightly and sell dances, without having to work around more dancers than customers to get a guy to spend money on you speaks volumes.

    California liquor laws where clubs are concerned are the problem. Their package liquor laws of being able to buy liquor in any type of strore from 6-2, 7 days a week are some of the most liberal in the country. But in strip clubs, the limited contact allowed in full bar clubs has ruined the business for dancers, and forced the bulk of the business into high hustle, rip off juice bars, where customers have to settle for 2 minute long overpriced lap dances, while sipping on a $10 soda.

    On the flip side, having minimal or no house fees, and only paying for each dance sold, keeps one from going home in the hole, since a dancer is only paying money when she makes it. Clubs in Indianapolis are like that.

    I work in clubs where dancers get paid a base pay, but we are actually paying ourselves most of the money since they take money from our dances.

    NO club can afford to pay every girl working. Think about it. How could a club with 50 girls on the floor afford to pay every dancer. Think like a club owner, not a dancer.

    Legal costs are a big issue. Strip clubs virtually everywhere are threatened with closure. Look at what is happening in the state of Minnesota, Tampa FL, Seattle and Scottsdale AZ right now. It costs thousands and in some cases millions of dollars to fight the conservatives and be able to keep the doors open, and the lap dances going on. Our money pays for that.

    Plus, why should a club operate with no profit? As dancers we work for a profit. If a club is not generating a profit, it will close right?

    If one day, conservatives stop having political clout in this country, us liberal people get our acts and money together and take over and never pander to conservative bribes, adult businesses can stop being political targets.

    What is needed is a strip club mediation board so that mediation leaders, club owners and dancers, can agree on fair house fees and tip outs.

    That will never happen with the direction this country is going now, and every strip club, modeling studio, non therapeutic massage parlor, and adult bookstore is fighting for it's life, will it?

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    I, for one, cannot stand tip outs.. DJ's never have my songs... shit, I'm my own bouncer most of the time since I'm the one that talks to tha custys..if I have to tell someone off I will.. i dunno, maybe its the few clubs Ive been at.. but I just don't feel the need to have to tip them sooo much when they dont do shit fo me, personally.. sometimes there is never any bouncers at our clubs..and if there are, its tha "managers" that are bouncers too.. tryin to do 2 jobs and make that double cash basically from tha dancers.. sumtimes all of it just seems fuckin selfish and greedy in a way..

    however, there are some advantages to why i don't mind tippin out.. but ive been ripped off by many clubs in my personal experience..

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    I worked in both juice bars and standard bars before all these crazy tipouts and the clubs did just fine, and all the owners lived in bigger houses and drove more expensive cars thant he dancers, and not because they handled money better or shopped less. I'm not saying that employers should NOT make more money than employees; I'm just saying that they get rich even without ripping dancers off. And most bars (regular bars that aren't strip joints) don't have dancers tipping out, and have expensive licenses and so on,a nd they survive. THE BAR MAKES MONEY without the tipouts. Whether or not they pay the dancers is beside the OP's point, to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    Realistically most clubs with no liquor license have higher fees. Juice bars as a whole do far less volume than full bar clubs. Most full bar clubs in average cities have reasonable flat house fees in the $25-$60 range, plus either a flat fee to the DJ of $10-$15 or 10% of your earnings, plus maybe $5 to each bouncer. Of course some cities full bar clubs charge $140 a night. Minneapolis is an example of that. Many girls who live there work in the surrounding small towns where the club keeps $5 a dance, but pays $300-$400 base pay for a 6 night week, and a tip out of around $20 nightly, as Twin City clubs have erratic earnings sometimes and the hustle gets really intense constantly worrying if you will lose money or make money every night you work. In some instances money in smaller places is far more steady than big glitzy ones.

    It can be EXTREMELY stressful for a full time dancer to have to pay high house fees when she is working with as many or more dancers as customers night after night. Being able to go through the motions nightly and sell dances, without having to work around more dancers than customers to get a guy to spend money on you speaks volumes.

    California liquor laws where clubs are concerned are the problem. Their package liquor laws of being able to buy liquor in any type of strore from 6-2, 7 days a week are some of the most liberal in the country. But in strip clubs, the limited contact allowed in full bar clubs has ruined the business for dancers, and forced the bulk of the business into high hustle, rip off juice bars, where customers have to settle for 2 minute long overpriced lap dances, while sipping on a $10 soda.

    On the flip side, having minimal or no house fees, and only paying for each dance sold, keeps one from going home in the hole, since a dancer is only paying money when she makes it. Clubs in Indianapolis are like that.

    I work in clubs where dancers get paid a base pay, but we are actually paying ourselves most of the money since they take money from our dances.

    NO club can afford to pay every girl working. Think about it. How could a club with 50 girls on the floor afford to pay every dancer. Think like a club owner, not a dancer.

    Legal costs are a big issue. Strip clubs virtually everywhere are threatened with closure. Look at what is happening in the state of Minnesota, Tampa FL, Seattle and Scottsdale AZ right now. It costs thousands and in some cases millions of dollars to fight the conservatives and be able to keep the doors open, and the lap dances going on. Our money pays for that.

    Plus, why should a club operate with no profit? As dancers we work for a profit. If a club is not generating a profit, it will close right?

    If one day, conservatives stop having political clout in this country, us liberal people get our acts and money together and take over and never pander to conservative bribes, adult businesses can stop being political targets.

    What is needed is a strip club mediation board so that mediation leaders, club owners and dancers, can agree on fair house fees and tip outs.

    That will never happen with the direction this country is going now, and every strip club, modeling studio, non therapeutic massage parlor, and adult bookstore is fighting for it's life, will it?
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    I don't understand it either. The club gets a door fee and makes money selling drinks, yet the nickle and dime all the girls for extra cash. Union time!!!!!!!!!

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    http://www.gstringsforever.com/stripperunion.html

    I'm ambivalent about, which is to say arguing neither for or against, the possibility of unionizing.

    But my feelings about the tipouts aren't ambivalent.

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    I don't understand it either. The club gets a door fee and makes money selling drinks, yet the nickle and dime all the girls for extra cash. Union time!!!!!!!!!
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