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    I consider myself to be a Christian and always wear a cross. At work at least once a week a man will ask me how I can be a Christian and strip and if i think God would approve. It always gets me upset and I never know how to answer them. Do they expect me to be an Atheist becoz of my job? What do u think?

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    Ask him what does God think of HIM coming into the club, let alone his wife...







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    very true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinammonkisses
    Ask him what does God think of HIM coming into the club, let alone his wife...
    That's a good one, I like it!!!! Don't worry about what a customer says or thinks! I'm christian and I strip, your job has nothing to do with your religious beliefs. Stripping is legal and honest, we're not hurting anyone and I believe as long as you stay true to yourself and your beliefs, God does not have a problem with it. If stripping is a means to bettering yourself by saving money, going to school, supporting yourself instead of someone, I think God is for it. Definitely say what CK did, that's awesome!!!

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    i'm a Christian too, and I'm going to start dancing soon... i don't think it's wrong, but for people who do think it's wrong for religious reasons, i would say this:

    Murder is wrong, but soldiers go to war and kill people. No one condemns them for religious reasons. They fight for their country and for money to feed their families. If someone is stripping to provide for their family, it is certainly not worse than murder, so they shouldn't be condemned either.

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    Personally, I would recommend staying as FAR away from this issue as possible. It will NOT help you in any situation to get involved in a debate about your religion with a customer. It will only allow him to suck up more of your time with an inquisition and the conversation will grow less and less sexy by the second. I wouldn't even say anything as argumentative as "what would God think of you coming here." I would use this situation to close a sale. Period.

    If a guys asks, "How can you be a Christian and be a stripper" or something I would say something like, "Well, I'm 90% good girl but I do have a really naughty side. Let's go for a dance right now and you'll see." Or something better than that, but you get the idea.

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    ^^^
    I have to agree. This is probably the best advice.
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    Or do HIS work. Strip for non-believers and, while doing so, seek to show them the way. The peverse Jew in me might enjoy being proselytized by a hot stripper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MishaBliss
    ^^^
    I have to agree. This is probably the best advice.
    I know I haven't danced for as long as some of you girls but yes, I too think Dotties comment is right on. But since I've been dancing for almost a year, that douche woudl've gotten my comment! I woudln't be in such a cutesy mood to say what Dottie Rebel had written.

    BUT you have to think though..If a customer would go out of his way to comment on a tiny cross that she wears, he's just being an ass anyway. I strongly doubt he'd even bite for a "oh I'm good but see my naughty side" bit. If he did, he woudln't have taken the time out to point out her "flaw" and just get the freaking dance already.







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    I agree with everyones comments

    But let me throw mine in there , from a woman that use to wear her cross ( catholic though.) at work

    There are a few things that should never be present in a stripclub

    1. Religion.
    2. Racism
    3. Cheap ass customers
    4. Stinky people.

    because all 4 piss someone off. All 4 start drama. While its great and fine to have faith, I think that wearing a cross to work is almost asking to have that conversation. My best advice is dont wear it while on the floor. Sometimes you have to do what you can to make your life a bit easier.

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    Yeah it is annoying when customers think it is impossible for dancers to be Christian. Ever think that the reason most of us are dancing, is because it's one of the only ways to pay the bills? Maybe I think that stiffing people(such as my landlord for rent, the car repair that my mechanically inclined friend is doing on my car, etc) is "immoral." Maybe I would rather dance and be able to pay my bills, support myself independently, maintain good credit, etc...than to be an unemployed bum, taking up welfare money or stiffing people or mooching off my father's household until the age of 50. Then again, maybe I would rather dance to pay my bills, than resort to what *I* consider to be immoral modes of earning money...such as theft, identity fraud, drug dealing, prostitution, assisting the mafia, etc. There are much worse jobs out there! At least dancing is a LEGAL profession!(as long as you play by the rules, such as abstaining from extras and reporting taxes)

    And speaking of immoral...well, aren't the government, big businesses, and usurious creditors performing immoral practices that make it nearly impossible to afford costs of living unless you're lucky enough to have a decent career, or unless you strip? Look at how many years it's been since the federal minimum wage has been raised...9 full years. Look at how Bush is prioritizing the war overseas more than taking care of our country's own people, such as what happened this time last year during Hurricane Katrina. Look at how high inflation is going, how high utility companies keep raising rates, how much money credit card companies make off people in interest/fees, etc. Look at how high college tuition keeps rising each year(e.g., my college raised tuition $3,000/yr but refused to increase scholarships or available aide!), yet they put in little or no effort to help us find jobs after college. All of these practices are EXTREMELY immoral, much more so than an innocent vulnerable girl stripping to keep a roof over her head! I read that to be an independent bachelor/bachelorette living comfortably, requires an average salary of $40,000/yr...considering that costs of living in my area of Philly is higher than the US average, for my area it would probably take $50,000/yr to live comfortably. It is so hard to live independently and make bills if you don't have the credentials/experience/luck to land a job that pays significantly better than min wage! Sorry for the long rant about government/economy, but I am sick of those conservative "R"s who preach about God and how immoral stripping is...yet they run the big businesses(such as Wal-Mart!) that contribute to inflation, higher costs of living, abusively low wages for their employees, etc. It is so hypocritical!

    What is so "un-Christianlike" about dancing, anyway? There is nothing wrong with the human body...look at famous artworks that emphasize the human form, such as Michaelangelo's David statue! What is immoral about dancing, is perhaps the emphasis on booze/intoxication(being that most strip clubs serve alcohol) or strip clubs being built around the concept of lust. OK, so lust is un-Christianlike. But so is premaritial sex, singers on MTV parading in sexy revealing clothing, and many other things that people disregard and don't even think of to be as "immoral" as they'd view dancing. In my opinion, the one thing that I find immoral about the strip club industry is the emphasis on hard-selling/hustling techniques and trying to get every penny we can outta the customers. I find the hustling at strip clubs to be as pressuring as the tactics used by used car salesmen. But then again, a lot of the guys that enter the strip clubs know what the clubs are about before they enter, so they're consciously making the choice to enter an expensive environment.

    Here is my personal experience with dancing vs. morals: I actually became a more moral, responsible person AFTER I started dancing. Before dancing, admittedly I indulged in partying, drug use, excessive drinking, promiscuity, etc. I was unhappy with the direction that my life was going, mostly because I wasn't making enough money to support myself, so I would blow the measly amount of money I made on partying/alcohol. As a result, I was disrespectful at times to my parents' property, such as the time that I left an empty liquor bottle in my dad's truck, or sneaking friends into their house. When I started dancing, I didn't really have any time for partying lol because I was working on all the nights that people generally go out to bars and get loaded. I also no longer had a "need" to party and fill that void in my life, if I was happily earning money and able to actually support myself. I used dancing to dig myself out of a deep hole and I did this by following the rules and avoiding things like extras or on-the-job drug use. I think dancing can be moral, depending on how the dancer carries herself! And since I've began dancing, I started going to church again and trying to be nicer to people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhillyDancer1982
    Yeah it is annoying when customers think it is impossible for dancers to be Christian. Ever think that the reason most of us are dancing, is because it's one of the only ways to pay the bills? Maybe I think that stiffing people(such as my landlord for rent, the car repair that my mechanically inclined friend is doing on my car, etc) is "immoral." Maybe I would rather dance and be able to pay my bills, support myself independently, maintain good credit, etc...than to be an unemployed bum, taking up welfare money or stiffing people or mooching off my father's household until the age of 50. Then again, maybe I would rather dance to pay my bills, than resort to what *I* consider to be immoral modes of earning money...such as theft, identity fraud, drug dealing, prostitution, assisting the mafia, etc. There are much worse jobs out there! At least dancing is a LEGAL profession!(as long as you play by the rules, such as abstaining from extras and reporting taxes)

    And speaking of immoral...well, aren't the government, big businesses, and usurious creditors performing immoral practices that make it nearly impossible to afford costs of living unless you're lucky enough to have a decent career, or unless you strip? Look at how many years it's been since the federal minimum wage has been raised...9 full years. Look at how Bush is prioritizing the war overseas more than taking care of our country's own people, such as what happened this time last year during Hurricane Katrina. Look at how high inflation is going, how high utility companies keep raising rates, how much money credit card companies make off people in interest/fees, etc. Look at how high college tuition keeps rising each year(e.g., my college raised tuition $3,000/yr but refused to increase scholarships or available aide!), yet they put in little or no effort to help us find jobs after college. All of these practices are EXTREMELY immoral, much more so than an innocent vulnerable girl stripping to keep a roof over her head! I read that to be an independent bachelor/bachelorette living comfortably, requires an average salary of $40,000/yr...considering that costs of living in my area of Philly is higher than the US average, for my area it would probably take $50,000/yr to live comfortably. It is so hard to live independently and make bills if you don't have the credentials/experience/luck to land a job that pays significantly better than min wage! Sorry for the long rant about government/economy, but I am sick of those conservative "R"s who preach about God and how immoral stripping is...yet they run the big businesses(such as Wal-Mart!) that contribute to inflation, higher costs of living, abusively low wages for their employees, etc. It is so hypocritical!

    What is so "un-Christianlike" about dancing, anyway? There is nothing wrong with the human body...look at famous artworks that emphasize the human form, such as Michaelangelo's David statue! What is immoral about dancing, is perhaps the emphasis on booze/intoxication(being that most strip clubs serve alcohol) or strip clubs being built around the concept of lust. OK, so lust is un-Christianlike. But so is premaritial sex, singers on MTV parading in sexy revealing clothing, and many other things that people disregard and don't even think of to be as "immoral" as they'd view dancing. In my opinion, the one thing that I find immoral about the strip club industry is the emphasis on hard-selling/hustling techniques and trying to get every penny we can outta the customers. I find the hustling at strip clubs to be as pressuring as the tactics used by used car salesmen. But then again, a lot of the guys that enter the strip clubs know what the clubs are about before they enter, so they're consciously making the choice to enter an expensive environment.

    Here is my personal experience with dancing vs. morals: I actually became a more moral, responsible person AFTER I started dancing. Before dancing, admittedly I indulged in partying, drug use, excessive drinking, promiscuity, etc. I was unhappy with the direction that my life was going, mostly because I wasn't making enough money to support myself, so I would blow the measly amount of money I made on partying/alcohol. As a result, I was disrespectful at times to my parents' property, such as the time that I left an empty liquor bottle in my dad's truck, or sneaking friends into their house. When I started dancing, I didn't really have any time for partying lol because I was working on all the nights that people generally go out to bars and get loaded. I also no longer had a "need" to party and fill that void in my life, if I was happily earning money and able to actually support myself. I used dancing to dig myself out of a deep hole and I did this by following the rules and avoiding things like extras or on-the-job drug use. I think dancing can be moral, depending on how the dancer carries herself! And since I've began dancing, I started going to church again and trying to be nicer to people.

    Well said...Everyone has made very good valid points.

    IMO Coming from an x-religious fanatic.

    Christianity's theology itself contradicts it's whole purpose.<---a whole new can of worms.

    The rebuttle of course is "moral." Where must one draw the line for moral? Apparently, religion is higher. Look at the book of ESTER in the old testament~I believe she "danced."

    When is it right? I'm not one to answer that for an individual but I think it takes the mind of the beholder.

    Sassygirl, when some guy like that comes across your table...it is because of ignorance, jealously, justification, insecurity, and most of all self-righteous behavior to make a "judgement" like that.

    In the end, if one believes in the "man/woman upstairs"...which I hope exists because I've got alot of fuckin questions to ask him/her.

    How self righteous could one be! Speaking on behalf of God when HE(God) has more important issues to solve around the world. (children are suffering, dying, war, disease, etc.)

    Fuck that...be proud of who you are!~

    and say

    "Ask him what does God think of HIM coming into the club, let alone his wife..."-cinnamon kisses

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    I will NEVER discuss religion at work, it is a way too sticky subject, and rarely does it serve any purpose. If you tell people that you are a Christian, and you wear your cross all the time, I would just tell them that you have your own beliefs, and you don't dicuss it at work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensuality
    I will NEVER discuss religion at work, it is a way too sticky subject, and rarely does it serve any purpose. If you tell people that you are a Christian, and you wear your cross all the time, I would just tell them that you have your own beliefs, and you don't dicuss it at work.

    exactly; it's really none of their business. either they want a dance from you or they don't - end of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tart
    I agree with everyones comments

    But let me throw mine in there , from a woman that use to wear her cross ( catholic though.) at work

    There are a few things that should never be present in a stripclub

    1. Religion.
    2. Racism
    3. Cheap ass customers
    4. Stinky people.

    because all 4 piss someone off. All 4 start drama. While its great and fine to have faith, I think that wearing a cross to work is almost asking to have that conversation. My best advice is dont wear it while on the floor. Sometimes you have to do what you can to make your life a bit easier.
    Agreed, but I have to add one...

    Politics.

    You won't make money by being rude...but being playful and flirty, you can quickly change the subject and get more money in your garter. But, I do have to say, that if comments like these get you upset...maybe you are in the wrong line of work.

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    well christians are not to be in a clu liek that peorid accoring to christian dogms...stirring up lust in another is a sin
    ps.im not christian

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    I'm a christian and dancer too. Have you seen this site

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    All through the gospels Jesus hangs out with a bunch of sinners and his best friend was a porstitue. (She porbably wasn't, but the Church has made her out to look like one.) I think He and I would get along jsut fine.


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    I actually got in a sticky situation recently because a customer thought I was wearing a cross at work, when in reality it was a pagan symbol. I played along because it was really slow, and he was one of the few customers tipping. He followed me around like a lil lost puppy, actually sat at the stage and tipped, then he ordered about 5 dances, he wanted to sit in a private place and pray with me! So I sat with him, leaned my head down, and pretended my way to an easy $100. Without him, I don't think I would have made squat that night. Once he left, I hid back in the dressing room and laughed uncontrollably for like ten minutes. I'm pagan, and the symbol I was wearing looked nothing like a cross or a fish or anything. I guess noone else would endulge his religious fettish.

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    to pull this thread up out of the muck, you cannot be a biblical, god-fearing christian, and private dance or do vip at all. sexwork, including stripping, is designed to incite lust/longing/desire and thus is a form of sin.

    the grey area, as such, is stage performance. that is not necessarily done with an eye to inciting desire. it is often truly another category of performance like gymanstics or (some kinds) of acting. it is honestly an open question whether all types of acting are christian. and stage dancing, especially the burlesque and pole dancing offshoots, are much more christ-friendly because they have nonsexual/sensual performance aspects that can immediately be pointed to and accepted as the intent and focus.

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    Uh oh - threads like these always get argumentative. Sensitive topics with all kinds of strong opinions. If its a sin to incite lust or desire - can you not be a christian if you flirt? Or dress sexily when you go clubbing? Or wear make up? Hmm. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, however. I dance three nights a week, and I still feel fine in church on Sunday morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella
    to pull this thread up out of the muck, you cannot be a biblical, god-fearing christian, and private dance or do vip at all. sexwork, including stripping, is designed to incite lust/longing/desire and thus is a form of sin.

    the grey area, as such, is stage performance. that is not necessarily done with an eye to inciting desire. it is often truly another category of performance like gymanstics or (some kinds) of acting. it is honestly an open question whether all types of acting are christian. and stage dancing, especially the burlesque and pole dancing offshoots, are much more christ-friendly because they have nonsexual/sensual performance aspects that can immediately be pointed to and accepted as the intent and focus.
    I think a comment like that follows the hell and brimfire guilt interpretation of the Bible as preached by the Evangelicals and not the Bible in context. You really need to read it yourself to understand what it says. I did two 9 month courses on the Old and New Testament.

    There is a lot of pretty explict writing about the heros and heroines in the Bible. Genesis 20:2 Abraham basically pimped out his wife to the king by saying she was his sister. Ruth 3:14 Ruth went and slept with Boaz and wasn't married to get a husband. .. I could go on but I think I made my point.

    The real message is that all people are imperfect but can still do good. The status of religion today in many situations is to judge everyone else instead of helping everyone. It is a sad situation that everyone has to judge everyone else so that in their mind they have the only place in heaven.

    If you actually get to know certain people on this board they are probably better "Christians" in action than the ones who attend church.
    They have empathy and compasion as opposed to disdain and judgement.

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    uhm, the evangelicals, with their insistence on modesty outside of marriage are basically bibilical. when they argue marriage can't have sexuality and sexual fun, then they aren't being biblical. but fundamentally, christ is the definitive word, and while he hung out with whores, they were reformed whores (not selling once they heard his teachings). something to think about.

    and yes, flirting with other men (or your man flirting with other women) is not biblical. men have to carry the burden of not lusting after others or inspiring lust in others also.

    the actual, biblical message, is that people can do good if it is for the glory of god. there is plenty in the bible about going to hell doing good works. god's grace is a gift, never something you earn. there's no brutal wheel of karma to be crushed under in biblical christianity.

    i struggle with what types, if any, of erotic art, are christian, and whether i can partake of/perform any of them. just because whores who reformed came to jesus does not mean whoredom itself is ok. they stopped that with him.

    all of this said, not everyone is christian, and the best i can do for women dancing now is mention things they can do to limit their level of stress from the customers or other dancers. and that is something any dancer can do for other dancers, regardless of what types of dancing she gives credence to or not.

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    I would just NOT wear the cross to work. Taking it off to save yourself drama and enable yourself to make more money isn't a bad idea. That and it's really easy to lose jewelry at work.

    As a stripper, you're marketing a product. Yes, it is an opportunity to express yourself, but you have to cater to the audience and make money or it's a pointless exercise. You don't have to prove yourself or your beliefs to these people. They just want a good time and a lap dance, not a theological discussion. You basically have to be a different girl with every different customer.

    Keep your beliefs and your job separate. You wouldn't get into a theological argument at an office job, right? Keep it professional. You're setting yourself up for being attacked in a place where you're supposed to be making money.

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    Stop wearing the cross at work--your religious beliefs are none of thier business. it obviously distracts the customers.
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