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    Its a no no ask for a tip but never over charge unless you can get away with it...last night i went to work i got a vip which was great but before anything the floor walker came up to me and said you have to give me the money for the room and you will get it at the end of your shift. I was like wtf why? and apparntly this chick that got dance after dance got fired because she got caught overcharging custys...and she thought she had it good cause she was making the club money noooo....so now us other girls have to deal with the punishment. Lucky for me my custy didnt care, but i heard other dancers saying it was affecting their vip money because their custy's didnt wanna deal with the situation

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    One thing you could do is tell the custies this change is made for them, not you. It is to insure that they never get ripped off and that they truely get their moneys worth. Thats kind of weird though, like I'm pretty used to having custies pay in advance for VIPs so I don't really know what is so different about this than most clubs.

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    i forgot to mention my club recently has posters with a set price 20, 40,60...does your club have that as well?

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    No, our club doesn't have posters with set prices but our club does have a policy that the dancers aren't allowed to discuss VIP prices with customers, only tabledance prices. The club says because different rooms cost different prices. But it's our policy that the customer pays up front before the VIP so there's no way the dancer will get stiffed by a customer but I think jackie555 advice is great advice to tell customers.

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    Sounds like a club I use to work in about a month ago. It didn't go over to well with the girls so they changed it back for the girls to get there money up front, Not the club take it....

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    I've only worked in one club EVER where they didn't make the guy pay for VIP to the club, up front. It was bad because several guys got away with not paying at the end - dumbass club management finally learned their lesson and started charging up front

    It's pretty standard for custies to have to pay for VIP up front.

    But is this club making them pay for DANCES up front? Like just a $20-$60 dance? Because that is a little unusual and many custies will bitch about that. I would just make sure the guy knows up front that this is club policy and they're doing it because one girl was caught overcharging...it protects everyone. Some guys will still balk about it but most will come around if you explain that it's ultimately for their benefit. If you can negotiate a deal with them to do 3 dances at once, that helps because then he doesn't have to be interrupted to pay for each dance up front...

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    It's pretty standard and good practice, I think, for VIP hosts to take $$ upfront for rooms. They also tell you when your time is up in the room. Now for regular dances, it is normally the dancer's job to collect the money.

    I never understood why dancers get in so much trouble for overcharging. If it is done in a sneaky way, like with a new customer who doesn't know the price, I guess that is bad. But how much something costs is all in the percieved value of it. If a dancer can get away with charging more they should be able to. Like in our club VIP room dances can be done nude or with panties--its up to us; but we are not allowed to charge more if its nude. We will get fired if we do. Weird.

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    I overcharged a customer once, thinking I could get away with it.. then he went back and told his friend, who told other dancers, and the word got out pretty wuickly. I was so emberassed that I never went back to that club, and am scared shitless to overcharge again.

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    Speaking from the other side of the fence here...

    When a lady overcharges me (and yes it has happened) I'm not going to argue or blink an eye...

    ...but she will never even get a dollar tip onstage from me again, let alone anything else.

    See, I don't drink. So I'm not some sloppy drunk that doesn't know where we are or what's the expected total.

    I've tipped extra above dances, I've simply given ladies the rest to make their bar without even getting a dance, hell in places where they require the ladies to have a drink minimum I've paid a waitress to clear the evening for my favorite ladies (i.e. I don't care who she's sitting with... you keep her in good graces with the boss as she has her "drinks" covered for the night)...

    So yes, I take serious offense to someone thinking they can simply demand from me what I would have given freely...

    There are a few ladies out there that wonder why my attentions dried up... and I'm usually friendly and willing to spread my financial attention around.

    This is why.

    Because you decided the extra 20-60 bucks was worth it. It may have been, at the time, as you get away scot-free. I'm not going to tell the doorman, the bouncer, the house, or your buddies.

    You killed the Golden Goose for the Egg. Expect my extra couple hundred to go to the lady who is honest.

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    Well, I don't really see the problem with negotiating a price. I hate the set-in-stone VIP prices and I dislike not being allowed to negotiate a higher price when I can. The way I see it, if the customer agrees, then it's not overcharging at all. It's charging a fair price - obviously customer thinks it's fair or he wouldn't agree to it. I can OFTEN get a guy to agree to pay me MORE than the club's set price, so I think that kind of price-fixing is unfair to me and all the girls like me.

    At my Phoenix club, if we get an hour VIP, there is a MINIMUM price but we can negotiate any price above that if we want. So long as the customer has agreed, no problem. That is the way it should be. A set MINIMUM, not a hard-set price.

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    floor walkers dont ask for the money for the private rooms, only the vip which is ok.. im not to worried about it anymore. i get it in the end and custys will understand their not gettin ripped off or whatever but, the posters i dont like. it just looks kinda cheesy to me

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    The posters thing reminds me of a comedian's act that had a part on signs along the highway stating the amount of the speeding violation fines for each differnt speed. In that case, the idea was to speed up so you didn't look poor.

    Anyhow, I hang around Delilah's in Philadelphia a lot. For around ten years, the official couch dance price was $15, but I ran across a few dancers who said they charged $20 anyway. In my case, it was mentioned up front, though.

    It got to where the owner had signs put up in the couch dance rooms and by the door with big letters stating the $15 price. I thought it was weird, though, becuase what dancer is going to run around the place with a stack of fives to make change?

    Anyway, it's $20 now. They replaced the signs, but now I have to wonder whether someone's trying to charge $30 or $50 for a couch dance, or whether Greta just didn't want to have to fill in the holes where the old signs were mounted.
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    I don't see a problem if a dancer who is in high demand charges more for her time and is up front about the price. There are only so many hours in shift. Either the customer wants a dance from that dancer or he passes. I think it's more of a problem if girls undercharge to undercut other dancers. Then guys start saying stuff like "well she only charged me this amount why are yours so much higher"? Because lets face it, some guys want more bang for their buck.

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    Yes, all deja vu clubs in sf are on the 20 40 60 system. I always overcharge. Been doing so for almost 4yrs and Im still making good $. I dont like having regulars theyre more hassle than theyre worth in my opinion. I just dont see the point whem Im making more $ than most of the girls who have a ton of regulars.

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    what it was 15? thats crazyyyyy thats good they changed it to 20...but i never do 20 or 40 dollar dances

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Jessica View Post
    Yes, all deja vu clubs in sf are on the 20 40 60 system. I always overcharge. Been doing so for almost 4yrs and Im still making good $. I dont like having regulars theyre more hassle than theyre worth in my opinion. I just dont see the point whem Im making more $ than most of the girls who have a ton of regulars.
    Everyone has different strong points in their how they entertain.. In my opinion I think girls who are really good at having regulars have a much higher earning potential.. Granted it’s more work in certain regards/ aspect at first if it's not your style, but with practice it just like riding your bike…it becomes easy.

    Because genuinely you have to give value to the customer in your connections you build etc, but at the same time very important you MANGE the expectations well, and stay professional.. That is where managing expectations come in that some girls don’t like to deal with were a regular will think he has earned the right or whatever to overstep or push certain boundaries.. However if you are really good with dealing with people and managing expectations etc this will not be a problem and you can create a good win win situation.. Remember there are all different levels and styles for how the chose to entertain each has its’ pros and cons.. Some is suited more towards certain personalities then others… You just got to ultimately do what fits in with you, but as in any sales the wider your net the more fish you will catch... Of course you must also be able ot calibtrate and read people well.. For sales for myself and helping my GF sales skills at the club one book I want to get is called: Speed reading people

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaosraven View Post
    Speaking from the other side of the fence here...

    When a lady overcharges me (and yes it has happened) I'm not going to argue or blink an eye...

    ...but she will never even get a dollar tip onstage from me again, let alone anything else.

    See, I don't drink. So I'm not some sloppy drunk that doesn't know where we are or what's the expected total.

    I've tipped extra above dances, I've simply given ladies the rest to make their bar without even getting a dance, hell in places where they require the ladies to have a drink minimum I've paid a waitress to clear the evening for my favorite ladies (i.e. I don't care who she's sitting with... you keep her in good graces with the boss as she has her "drinks" covered for the night)...

    So yes, I take serious offense to someone thinking they can simply demand from me what I would have given freely...

    There are a few ladies out there that wonder why my attentions dried up... and I'm usually friendly and willing to spread my financial attention around.

    This is why.

    Because you decided the extra 20-60 bucks was worth it. It may have been, at the time, as you get away scot-free. I'm not going to tell the doorman, the bouncer, the house, or your buddies.

    You killed the Golden Goose for the Egg. Expect my extra couple hundred to go to the lady who is honest.

    The above is gold read and re-read it and don’t forget it.

    Ladies I am all on your side for making money, but if you overcharge it will only have very shortsighted gains..

    Better to put your focus on having him value you soo much that he WANTS to give you more money or tip you rather the making him feel ripped off and holding secret resentment so that you will never see much or any money form him in the future…

    The used cart salesman can do well for only a limited time span because they depend on a steady flow of suckers, so when the numbers are too slow to play the numbers game thing they are left in the dust complaining about hw things suck while the girls who focus on truly entertaining their customers and creating great exchange will be doing well or at least relatively well compared to the girls who focus on having mindset of trying o overcharge… I’m NOT trying make any moral judgments I just don’t think the mindset of over charging is a good mindset for success sand making money… It’s in your best interest…

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    Here is a another golden point.. I think it’s okay to find ways to entice them to pay you more money and or make them want to tip you more but it’s a FINE LINE…. Because just put it this way.. Some customers are just as annoyed when you try to overcharge them as you are when a customer tries to haggle you for discounts and think somehow they are in the bargain barn barn….

    So don’t’ use high pressure tactics whatever you do or you may get what you wanted for the SHORT TERM but in the long run you lost a repeat customer…

    Entice and make them feel giving towards you by creating great exchange but be sure to use gentle tact and persuasion if you must.. Personally I think you should just focus on creating a great time for them and letting the rest come to you naturally….

    Keep in mind how you feel after a salesman hustled you into a deal you felt bad about and even though he got the sale you probably spoke poorly of him LATER and you never bought form them again… The golden rule is a good thing to keep in mind, because when you put out any kind negativity you attract it back too you…

    Again this is not a moral judgment it’s observing what I have found to work best certainly in the long run…

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    My club requires us to get paid before the dance and I think it avoids more problems such as dispute as to how many dances there has been.

    We don't have VIP, we just have $20 per song or $50 for 3 songs.

    I always do the whole song or the whole 3 songs, always!
    All the other dancers laugh at me for it coz they say that customers dont notice how long it's been and most dancers cut it off at 2.5 songs. I have always been too scared to do this in case the guy notices and says something or doesn't buy another dance coz he feels ripped off.

    Anyway on sat night I did something dodgy. I was dancing for this really drunk guy and he just kept handing me more and more money even tho the songs weren't over - I didn't ask for more but I took it and didn't say anything.
    He would give me $50 and I'd be half way through the first song and he would give me another $20 and say keep going.
    I felt like a bitch but he was also doing my head in asking for my number the whole time and offering me cash to touch my tits which I found offensive.

    In the end I had to run away from him coz I was tired of dancing for him and being harassed, he was just offering me more and more money but in the end I had to cut it off, it didn't feel right and he was annoying.

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