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    Im pretty sure one of our girls does extras.

    The evidence:
    1. When she started she did average money (she has stripped elsewhere, so its not like she had to learn the ropes)

    2. Her money started to jump dramatically.

    3. In a club with 20+ dancers SHE ALONE does 1/3 of the private shows

    3. Rumours went around about this, so I spoke to her. Her money dropped back to its original levels. When the stories come from the girls, I always assume a bit of jealousy at a high earner, but the bouncer is one of the major complainers about her (and he has nothing to gain from her getting in trouble/fired for extras)

    4. She accuses me of being racist (Ive posted about her before) and goes and does some shifts atthe major extras club down the road. She comes back, (IME the girls who left there and return to us do it cos with EVERYONE doing extras they werent making cash)

    5. I assure her that I wasnt removing shifts from her and agree that it must have just been one drama-makers rumours (as they mainly did come from the same source)

    6. Her money increases again. (Is she now confident that Im not going to catch her?)

    7. EVERYONE has been losing money. She isnt a high earner because she is bringing in more custies, gross totals havent changed much, only the distribution.

    What do you think?

    We have no cameras in our private strip areas. I want them.

    In the time being Ive put her on "peak" shifts, where you cant leave the stage if its busy (meaning that she cant do too many private strips) and split shifts, where you do stage set then hustle, but you have competition with 2-3 girls on. If she is on a 'slow' shift (so she can do strips anytime, cos there are no custies waiting for stage) she sells massive amount of dances (somedays she will get 10-15, and the TOTAL from all the other girls will be 4-5)

    So what else can I do?
    Firing her is not an option (cos she makes money, and her earner figures look good) neither can I accidentally walk into the private area while she is dancing.

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    Hmm, thats a difficult one. Good on you though for trying to keep thing fair!!! I know exactly what you're getting at as I personally know when Im working with an extras girl/s as opposed to a girl/s with exceptionally good sales skills because my earnings and others drop quite dramatically. Where-as with a good sales person she will sell lots of shows but instead of selling lots of shows to lots of different people she will tend get lots of extensions from just a few customers. Therfore other girls dont loose out in the same way... Although there are always exceptions to the rule, and it's always possible she could be one of them...
    I have no idea what to do. I hope you get the cameras.
    In the days when private rooms really were private in Queensland, club rules often stated that the rooms would be patrolled by management, hostesses and security from time to time. This was partly to stop extras, but also partly so management or hostesses could incourage customers to extend their show. Would that be a possibilty to introduce?

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    Default Re: Signs she does extras?

    a couple of key questions ...

    #1 - have there been increased incidents of customers requesting extras from other dancers while 'bargaining' for private dances, or customers complaining about not getting enough 'up close and personal attention' during private dances from other dancers ?

    #2 - has there been any influx of new customers (even a small percentage) that gravitite straight to the dancer you are referring to ?

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    Default Re: Signs she does extras?

    Quote Originally Posted by sexy_celeste
    7. EVERYONE has been losing money. She isnt a high earner because she is bringing in more custies, gross totals havent changed much, only the distribution.
    If gross sales haven't changed, then she's not an asset to the club.

    Clearly, with this bit of info right here, you can fire her. She isn't bringing in any new business, just taking it from your other girls. I have always thought this was the case in clubs that aren't overrun with extras already. So when you look at the overall picture, she really doesn't look that good, does she? Because with or without her, your overall club sales stay about the same.

    I would definitely fire her. Is it better to let one girl take all the goods and make all the others suffer, or better to take care of the club and the rest of the girls? Seems obvious to me.

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    I think in my club the biggest obvious sign...Is that we've actually caught glimpses of one of our girls in the extra act!! Tie that in with the fact that she goes home with 10 times what I (or most) do, and that is consistent for each night she works, a lot of regulars that come just for her and with one of them we've spotted some unzipped flys!

    that she always tips everybody LOTS and is a bit of a golden girl for it... We don't have private rooms, only more secluded areas so is easier to spot but I can't imagine anything being done about it at my place, fantastic your trying to keep things fair!!

    I suppose catching her with her pants down is the best I could suggest!

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    Yeah, get the cameras or get the bouncer who sees her to back up the story. Kinda hard to deny when she's seen doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    a couple of key questions ...

    #1 - have there been increased incidents of customers requesting extras from other dancers while 'bargaining' for private dances, or customers complaining about not getting enough 'up close and personal attention' during private dances from other dancers ?

    #2 - has there been any influx of new customers (even a small percentage) that gravitite straight to the dancer you are referring to ?
    #1 Yeah the girls have mentioned this, and Im personally finding that Im having to do ALOT extra to get dances, come really close and lean right down like an airdance (rather than standing at the custies chair and dancing. Ive increased the light contact, breathing in their ear brushing thier shoulders/chest, but we are a NON-contact club. I wont get fired for this, but it does make it hard to push for explicit legs-open/close up shows, when youre already that close for a basic dance fee.

    #2 Not neccessarily, however people arent even bothering to come in unless she is working. In 1 hour at the counter I had 2 people ring and ask who was working, then ask when this specific girl is working. The place gets REALLY busy right before the start of her shift, and the guys wait until she is ready to start, then flock straight to her.

    I worked with her on a monday arvo, I made $80 through the club, and she did at least $140
    Her average earning is $150, and the next girls down are all only a few dollars apart around the $120 mark
    WE all have bad days, yet she has never walked out (since her first few weeks) with under $100. When she started she was doing 80-100 a shift, which is average in this club.
    None of these figures are counting tips tho, this is all the amounts which go through the club for stage tips and dance fees.

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    Default Re: Signs she does extras?

    hmm, our resident extras girl (of the moment) tips out the manager! teehee. as if our eye witnesses haven't already convinced us, THAT does!!

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    Just because you dont like her and she makes more money doesnt mean she does extras.If nobody seen her do them by now I doubt she is doing extras.She probably just knows how to hustle.Maybe if you would just work instead of worrying about her you would make more.If this girl bothers you so much-dont try getting her fired for something you dont know for sure she does(this is probably your next step).......
    Maybe try switching clubs.

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    Default Re: Signs she does extras?

    I would definitely fire her. Is it better to let one girl take all the goods and make all the others suffer, or better to take care of the club and the rest of the girls? Seems obvious to me.
    You can't do anything until you get proof.

    On the off chance that she's just a really good hustler-

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    Hmmm....Signs she doing extras

    ~white dribble down her chin, smeared lipstick
    ~cramped hands
    ~rough skin on knees

    Ok,ok, just kidding.

    But to quote

    "In the time being Ive put her on "peak" shifts, where you cant leave the stage if its busy (meaning that she cant do too many private strips) and split shifts, where you do stage set then hustle, but you have competition with 2-3 girls on. If she is on a 'slow' shift (so she can do strips anytime, cos there are no custies waiting for stage) she sells massive amount of dances (somedays she will get 10-15, and the TOTAL from all the other girls will be 4-5)

    So what else can I do?
    Firing her is not an option (cos she makes money, and her earner figures look good) neither can I accidentally walk into the private area while she is dancing."

    Are you the manager in the club. That's the impression I got from the post. I don't know what the rules are in Australia. But in Texas, especially Austin, managers consider it their right and duty to protect their own business. I have worked in establishements that have video cameras in private rooms ( with a sign giving notice, of course), peep holes in various areas of the room, and have even seen managers slide a mirror under the door to peer in. Or you could send in a customer to test her. I have had this done to me before. I worked for a place that was known for having prostitution busts, and the manager was trying to clean house. So it was known that the manager was sending in spys on a regular basis to make sure everyone was clean.

    But if she is causing problems, I will quote what a manager once told me, "There is no hen in the house worth stirring up the whole coupe."

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    It can't be that hard to find proof. Why can't you walk in on her if you have managerial authority at this club. Perhaps she has an internet website and has her schedule posted, so guys can come in looking for her. She is apparently a good sales person, but that might be what is getting the guys in the door. Until she is caught, then it would be a really shitty thing to just fire her because she is making money.

    And I, for one, don't think a dancer should also be a manager at the same time. Waaaay too much conflict of interest...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mblank
    Are you the manager in the club. That's the impression I got from the post. I don't know what the rules are in Australia.
    Im the head girl, in charge of 20+ dancer for this clubs venues. In the past we had 4 venues, but we are now down to 2, with general economic causes. We have managers who are in charge of business stuff, but I do all performer hiring/firing, rostering, settling disputes.

    Quote Originally Posted by mblank
    I have had this done to me before. I worked for a place that was known for having prostitution busts, and the manager was trying to clean house. So it was known that the manager was sending in spys on a regular basis to make sure everyone was clean.
    This is what I am worried about also. I would hate to get 19 girls busted just cos 1 is doing extras. (Cos why believe that she is the only one) Plus Id get a fine for condoning the behaviour.

    Quote Originally Posted by mblank
    But if she is causing problems, I will quote what a manager once told me, "There is no hen in the house worth stirring up the whole coupe."
    hehe true, but I need a really good reason. This girl is outwardly lovely and gets along with 99% of other dancers, but Ive seen her lose it at 1 or 2 of the girls, and boy was she nasty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    It can't be that hard to find proof. Why can't you walk in on her if you have managerial authority at this club. Perhaps she has an internet website and has her schedule posted, so guys can come in looking for her. She is apparently a good sales person, but that might be what is getting the guys in the door. Until she is caught, then it would be a really shitty thing to just fire her because she is making money.
    Yes exactly, but what I do think about is that she isnt bring MORE money in, she is just getting a huge share of the existing client base. I think its around 1/3, which leaves 20 other girls to compete for the 2/3 remaining.
    She has no internet site, cos we are trying to organise one for the girls to use, and she wont have her pictures or roster anywhere, as she if from a very religious family who have no idea where she works.
    I dont usually work the same shifts as her (I lecture at the uni as my main job, so have boring regular hours, cept for my 2-3 shifts) so it would be hard to walk in.
    Im pushing for cameras!

    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    And I, for one, don't think a dancer should also be a manager at the same time. Waaaay too much conflict of interest...
    Yes I agree, but we always have had a dancer doing the Head Girl (house mum) job, usually its cos I only work 2-3 shifts a week, cos she understands the 'girl problem" side of things. I had one of the male managers (pushing for my job when I leave) state that he doesnt care if her mum just died she can get her arse into work.
    SO one of the girls always has had the job in my club.

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    Every club has a top earner that makes a lot more than every one else.That is everywhere.You Should watch her and see how she does it and get pointers.
    If you fire her the guys will probably follow her to her next club and she will tell everyone what was being accused of and they will hate you.Especially if you were wrong and she doesnt do extras.The guys will know first hand,you know what I mean.You will look awful.Another thing if you are going around spreading that you will look bad also,like you should if it isnt true.
    I have worked with several girls like you.If someone is doing good making tons of cash ,you instantly start shit or spreading rumors.Whats bad is you are part of the mgmt.I would hate to work in your club.

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    I understand your concerns, Sexy_Celeste.

    Allowing extras to go on in a club can result in the club being shut down for good. With that in mind and depending on the attitude of local law enforcement it may be in the clubs best interest to get rid an extras dancer, asap.

    One possibility would be to hire an off duty cop who does PI work to check her out. If it turns out she is doing extras then a later date you could have her arrested. At that point use the arrest as a valid reason to fire her.

    ps- Sorry if that idea has already been mentioned as I haven't read every single reply to this question.

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    Cameras are definately the best solutions. I work in a club that has cameras with a direct feed into the dj booth, the manager's office, and get recorded downstairs in case there is a problem. I feel a lot safer knowing they are there, and if a customer is pressuring me for extras they are an excellent excuse not to. It seems to me that having a private show inside a room with a locked door is a very dangerous situation for the dancers.

    Until you can convince upper management to install better security, you could get someone you know (but that doesn't come into the club) to get a few dances from her, and see where it gets them. If she does do extras, then your friend will find out, and if she doesn't, then there obviously isn't a problem.
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    Gypsy_Dancer and Fan_Dancer, that is exactly what I was saying. She should send a guy in for a private show to see what he gets. If he gets nothing, then we all know. But if he comes out with that grin and unzipped pants, well there's your answer!

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    I would suggest a group meeting with all the dancers, explaining how extras is prohibited and one girl can ruin it for all of us, emphasize directly the problem you are having with her, but don't name names (passive aggressive style i guess). Tell them you are in the process of setting up cameras, and even if the club can't provide the equpiment, set up decoys and it might make her less wary of doing her stuff. You can also say you will do periodic checks ("peek ins") if you suspect something fishy is going on-- my club is VERY high mileage, and managers will peek into the 3 different dance areas all the time.

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    Since I travel a lot (so I'm the new girl) and since I am often one of the top earners well above others, I have gotten this before, that I must be doing extras. (Even though the dances were out in the open.) So I'm wary of accusing someone unless you can know for sure. I really think your best bet is getting like 3 people in the room with her that you trust to be honest, and see if they get extras from her or not.

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    Default Re: Signs she does extras?

    $ 150 is alot of money over there?
    i wouldnt dance for that kind of money

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    ^That's what I think is strange. I make $300 a night usually in Australia. Maybe WA is different but I thought 200-300 was good.

    I always feel if I don't sell at least 2 hours a night ($240) then I'm making less than min. wage (which is around $14.50 here depending on age).

    She's only making $20 more than everyone else by the figures. and $20 is ONE dance. o.O


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristalla
    $ 150 is alot of money over there?
    i wouldnt dance for that kind of money
    let alone do extras!

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    Wow. A lot of hate towards the OP here. Damn. The fact is, a lot of clubs use dancers as managers and/or house moms. Bitching about it wont change it. The OP clearly states, repeatedly, that she has a concern for the entire club, and the dancers as a group. Just because she is doing her job, she's a hater? Oh please. If she were JUST another dancer, and she was sulking about HERSELF not making as much, I could see the accusation. But what she is complaining about is part of her job to keep tabs on. Jeez.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kalligirl
    I would suggest a group meeting with all the dancers, explaining how extras is prohibited and one girl can ruin it for all of us, emphasize directly the problem you are having with her, but don't name names (passive aggressive style i guess). Tell them you are in the process of setting up cameras, and even if the club can't provide the equpiment, set up decoys and it might make her less wary of doing her stuff. You can also say you will do periodic checks ("peek ins") if you suspect something fishy is going on-- my club is VERY high mileage, and managers will peek into the 3 different dance areas all the time.


    Good idea. Likewise the cameras. As a former manager AND house mom, I agree with both ideas. Make sure you find out about your local laws for theuse of cameras though, and if you get them, make sure there are statements about them being in use in well-lit, well-seen areas of the club so that customers and employees know and are aware of their being filmed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristalla
    $ 150 is alot of money over there?
    i wouldnt dance for that kind of money
    $150 is what goes through the club with dance fees and "funny money" tips (they get HALF of these tips!)
    What we do in cash tips is usually double (at least ) our club earnings. an average shift here is $250-$300, good shifts are $500 plus for 3-4 hours

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