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    Quote Originally Posted by lilithmorrigan
    ^That's what I think is strange. I make $300 a night usually in Australia. Maybe WA is different but I thought 200-300 was good.

    I always feel if I don't sell at least 2 hours a night ($240) then I'm making less than min. wage (which is around $14.50 here depending on age).

    She's only making $20 more than everyone else by the figures. and $20 is ONE dance. o.O
    Yup thats right, we are on about the same earnings over here. The $150 is what goes to the club (they take 50% of our dance fees and 'funny money" tips, but in private shows we ask for cash, and usually get $50-100 for an 'explicit legs open toys show' etc)
    I average, including my cash tips $350 for a 3 hour shift. Granted I usually get to work 1-2 shitty shifts,(out of 3 a week!) cos otherwise I get accused of being unfair, and only doing great shifts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaigeDWinter
    Good idea. Likewise the cameras. As a former manager AND house mom, I agree with both ideas. Make sure you find out about your local laws for theuse of cameras though, and if you get them, make sure there are statements about them being in use in well-lit, well-seen areas of the club so that customers and employees know and are aware of their being filmed.

    We have organised a girls meeting about this, as there are alot of politics around atm, especially with the girl-manager relationships.
    I will be telling them that im asking for cameras, and if she IS doing extras then she will certainly be a bit worried! Im not sure what the laws are like, but we have them in open areas already. I think cos the girls do toys shows etc thats the main reason we have private rooms, and Im not sure about them being too happy about it.

    I have to make sure that its only two female staff who have access to the footage, which is another issue.

    Thank so much for your helpful input,

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    Just say the cameras are already there!


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    I think the idea of sending in spies or decoys is an excellent one. If you make it known to the girls that this is going to happen randomly, that should act as a deterrent (and even if it doesn't, you'll have caught out any 'extras' girls).

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    This is a great idea, however I just think how ID feel if someone sent a spy in for me and I found out afterwards.

    I have some pretty unique moves which I hate when other girls try to copy, so I keep them special for private strips. So if someone went out saying "Celeste does blahblah" Id feel upset.
    I dont talk much about my custies and wouldnt really like them talking about my private shows, more than "yeah shes great try her" or "nah she wasnt my sort"

    Im like that in my personal life too, Kinda "kiss and dont tell" I guess

    What do others think? Would you send a spy in?

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    I think the idea of sending spies in is a good one, although it will probably piss the customers off. Even the ones who aren't receiving extras.
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    Why should the customers care? I have worked for lots of companies in the adult industry and out of it, who do this. They call them "secret shoppers" and ther is a whole industry around it.

    You will not be telling the whole club about what this girl does in VIP. YOu will just hire one man and give him the $$ to go buy a show from this girl. List the behaviors and suggestions you DO NOT want your dancers doing, and send him into the VIP. All he has to tell you is "Yes, she propositioned me" or "Yes, she did this inappropriate thing" or "No she did not." The information will stay strictly between you and him.


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    ^^^ why bother ! From the fact that customers specifically call to find out this one girl's schedule, and specifically show up during the shifts that she's working and not at other times, she's either the next 'Playmate of the Year' or she is giving customers something extra that the other dancers are not ! Also, your accounting is only covering the 'official' charges for private dances, and not the 'unofficial' extra tip money ( i.e. tip money for 'extras' ) that this girl is probably pocketing without the club's knowledge. Unless there is something peculiar about Aussie labor law which prohibits dismissing an independent contractor without stating a reason, keeping her around is clearly causing more problems than she's worth.

    The risk factor of course is that if your club does fire this girl, that she might reappear at a competing club in the same town and convince customers of your club to visit her at the other club. Bottom line management decision is whether or not your club is truly committed to 'no contact' regardless of the potential financial ramifications. If it is, then fire her ass. If it isn't, then it's just a matter of time before all of the other dancers in your club will be faced with the choice of providing the same sort of 'extras' this one girl apparently is providing, or see their earnings potential drop to the point where it isn't worth their time to continue being 'clean' dancers.

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    why bother ! From the fact that customers specifically call to find out this one girl's schedule, and specifically show up during the shifts that she's working and not at other times, she's either the next 'Playmate of the Year' or she is giving customers something extra that the other dancers are not !
    No...they're called regulars. I don't think this in itself points to extras.

    I think the fact that your clubs has locked private rooms with no cameras pretty much garantees that more than one girl is doing extras.

    I think the spy idea is a good one. I personally wouldn't mind- my agent has told me that he sends spies out, to rate shows and to see which girls do what in private dances. I think it's good- I WANT the extras weeded out.

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    This is business. It doesn't matter how you feel if someone comes to observe you. You can fire her without knowing, and deal with guilt, or you can simply send in a decoy, and confirm.

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    We have private dance room, which are locked when a girl is dancing, hence the no way of seeing her performin in a private show
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    Quote Originally Posted by scarlett_vancouver
    I think the fact that your clubs has locked private rooms with no cameras pretty much garantees that more than one girl is doing extras.
    Exactly!! Fix the system, not the symptoms. If the club gets rid of this girl, they're just going to have a dozen more like her eventually. Cameras and the ability of bouncers or supervisors to check in on the room is the way to go for a number of reasons. For one, the club may solve the problem without driving her off. Two, the club keeps everyone honest. And last but not least, there's a huge staff safety issue here. The dancers are behind a locked door and no staff can get in? Hello! I'm screaming for my life that I'm being raped and, at the very best, someone's fumbling for a set of keys.

    I say, press for the cameras and nix the locked doors. Closing them is one thing; locking them is dangerous.

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    Decoy was my first thought. This happens in a lot of businesses...just your right to know how your workers are working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sexy_celeste
    This is a great idea, however I just think how ID feel if someone sent a spy in for me and I found out afterwards.

    I have some pretty unique moves which I hate when other girls try to copy, so I keep them special for private strips. So if someone went out saying "Celeste does blahblah" Id feel upset.
    I dont talk much about my custies and wouldnt really like them talking about my private shows, more than "yeah shes great try her" or "nah she wasnt my sort"

    Im like that in my personal life too, Kinda "kiss and dont tell" I guess

    What do others think? Would you send a spy in?
    Im exactly like that too about my moves / private shows, but I would still rather have security. (Bit shocked about the lock in thing.) Camera access should be limited, other dancers don't need to see it.

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    What do you plan to do with your findings from the spy? If it is to keep your findings to yourself and just use them for makeing her life in the dressing room hell i would not do it. If you are going to turn her over to the authorties then go for it. just my 2 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    ^^^ why bother ! From the fact that customers specifically call to find out this one girl's schedule, and specifically show up during the shifts that she's working and not at other times, she's either the next 'Playmate of the Year' or she is giving customers something extra that the other dancers are not ! .
    that's ridiculous. i have customers who call to see if i am working all the time and show up just to see me. and i am the furthest thing from an "extras" girl. i freak out if i trip and accidently violate the minimum 6" from the customer's crotch rule we have, so come on.

    to the op - if there's anyway to get cameras i strongly reccommend it. not only will it help you fairly identify girls who break the rules, it is also an important safety measure.

    last week a girl at another club in this area was choked by a customer in a private room. fortunately they had cameras and a bouncer caught it. it took 3 bouncers to get the guy out of the club. the girl weighs about 80 pounds. if it weren;t for the cameras, she would have been screwed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sexy_celeste
    We have private dance room, which are locked when a girl is dancing, hence the no way of seeing her performin in a private show.
    Locked private rooms is just asking for trouble IMO. If she is the only dancer doing extras, I'd be VERY suprised. Emplore the owners to have the locks removed from the private dance area.


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    she isnt bring MORE money in, she is just getting a huge share of the existing client base. I think its around 1/3, which leaves 20 other girls to compete for the 2/3 remaining.
    No...they're called regulars. I don't think this in itself points to extras.
    that's ridiculous. i have customers who call to see if i am working all the time and show up just to see me. and i am the furthest thing from an "extras" girl
    The point here is that the girl in question has apparently not brought any new customers into this club i.e. her own 'regulars' who followed her from a previous club (a previous club with a reputation for 'extras' at that). Instead, this girl has somehow 'pursuaded' 1/3rd of existing customers at this club - some of whom I must assume were formerly 'regulars' of the 19 other dancers - to suddenly switch their 'allegiance' from other dancers to her in a comparatively short period of time.

    No dancer builds up this sort of a base of 'regular' customers in a matter of weeks, and especially so if many of those new 'regulars' were 'stolen' from other dancers, simply because of her sparkling personality and stage performance !

    As lead dancer / house mom, Celeste has been charged with a responsibility toward the club and toward ALL of the dancers. This is a business we're talking about, not a court of law. If 19 other dancers are seeing a major decline in their customer base and earnings potential, if there is some reasonable basis to suspect that this one girl may be providing 'extras' thus putting the club and all of the dancers at risk, and if these dancers are working as independent contractors, there is no reason that this one girl must actually be 'caught with her pants down' before action can be taken.

    Again I'll raise the point that the real underlying decision here is whether or not club management is actually committed to the 'no contact' policy they profess. If they're not i.e. if girls selling more private dances by whatever means thus earning more money for the club is all that matters, then failure to take action constitutes tacit approval that 'contact' is OK/encouraged. If so, then the logical conclusion will be that the other 19 dancers will either start having to match this particular girl's 'offerings' stroke for stroke in order to restore their earnings potential, or see their own earnings from offering 'no contact' dances dwindle to nothing thus forcing them to quit the business (given the fact that the other club in town is notorious for extras, thus leaving them no place to work selling 'no contact' dances).
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    How difficult and time consuming would it be for Celeste to ask a male friend to come to the club and get a dance with this girl? She could call someone up right now and have them come in tomorrow. Then she'll know!

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    1. Shes the plainest girl but makes the most money.

    2. I walk in on her getting eaten out by customer.

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    1. she comes out of the VIP and her mouth suddenly glows in the backlight.

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    Celeste, in this case, you have to think like a manager and not like a dancer. So what if the girls don't like having a spy check them out? A spy used for this purpose doesn't report the girls' "unique moves" - he merely reports whether or not extras were offered or given. Most girls who really mind having a spy come around are probably doing something they shouldn't.

    From what you've said in this thread, it's completely obvious the girl is doing extras. Without a doubt. As Melonie says, this isn't a court of law - it's a business, so you don't have to have proof to convince a jury. Just what you know from years in the business. Frankly I can't believe so many girls here are so eager to give the benefit of the doubt considering all the evidence in this case, when in other instances the overwhelming response is "get the whore out!"

    If you want something done about this, you're going to have to get busy and take action. Either get the spy, get cameras, or get the locks removed so bouncers can periodically check up on girls. Or some combo of those options. Otherwise you're just going to have to deal with her taking business away from other girls, other girls starting to offer extras in order to compete, etc. Which is it going to be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    From what you've said in this thread, it's completely obvious the girl is doing extras. Without a doubt. As Melonie says, this isn't a court of law - it's a business, so you don't have to have proof to convince a jury. Just what you know from years in the business. Frankly I can't believe so many girls here are so eager to give the benefit of the doubt considering all the evidence in this case, when in other instances the overwhelming response is "get the whore out!"

    If you want something done about this, you're going to have to get busy and take action. Either get the spy, get cameras, or get the locks removed so bouncers can periodically check up on girls. Or some combo of those options. Otherwise you're just going to have to deal with her taking business away from other girls, other girls starting to offer extras in order to compete, etc. Which is it going to be?
    Thanks Bridgette!
    Im working on the cameras and Ive ask a few friends to keep an eye on this girl, and will talk to the bouncers on Friday to arrange a "check-up"
    I really dont want the girls to start consdiering extras to compete for work, I know the time I worked in a notorious extras club (I was naive, and had NO idea till Id been there awhile) that the pressure to do even a grinding lapdance was immense (the law is airdances) and I couldnt handle the stress, so soon left. I dont want our girls to have that same experience.

    Additionally Im totally over the whole place lately, not a day goes by without a drama, and Im looking elsewhere so I can just dance again, and not deal with the BS for a lousy HOURS pay each week.

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    Good luck. I hope you're able to get rid of the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    Frankly I can't believe so many girls here are so eager to give the benefit of the doubt considering all the evidence in this case, when in other instances the overwhelming response is "get the whore out!"
    Well, I'm not debating you, but I can understand the reasons. We've all been victims of the preconceived conclusion steamroller -- times that we would have loved to have gotten the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes a rumor gets spread and soars to atmospheric heights because evidence on the surface seems to support it, but contrary evidence or alternate explanations are overlooked or dismissed.

    In this case, the "suspect" is in an ethnic minority; if that's unusual for that club, the exotic element might explain why some customers are keen to switch brands. It was stated she doesn't sell as many private dances on a shift when she has to stage dance more. I guess that means Total Dances Sold in the club didn't drop then. I, too, think that's reasonable suspicion, but, with so many variables involved, it's not iron clad proof.

    Even if she is doing some extras, we should define our terms. That's such a vague acccusation, it doesn't necessarily mean she's doing Extras with a capital E. She may have come back from the Extras Club because her boundaries aren't drawn that liberally. Obviously, the club's norm needs to be enforced or else it all goes downhill, but in a profession where we're all constantly accused of whoring, I can understand some of us getting a bit defensive about such accusations. That's all I'm sayin.

    Also, I think this has turned out to be a good discussion (yay StripperWeb) and I think Celeste is very cool for caring enough that she's approaching this so thoroughly. Sorry it's such a stresser, darlin.

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