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    I'm about to start dancing again at my old club. The vip rooms there don't reap much $$$ (compared to other places). You get 120 for the hour if the guy pays in cash, and 96 if he charges it.

    Because the room only costs 200 p/ hr, it's not that hard to sell. BUT, when my club is busy, it's easier to do 6 or more dances in the hour than go upstairs.

    A lot of the other girls say that if it's busy (and when it's not too), they tell the custy that they require X amount as well for the room. Some simply require it, and some call it a tip, some ask for it at the end. Whatever.

    The point is, that I'm not that comfy asking for more money from a guy to go upstairs when he knows the club only charges this amount and pays the girl. What a good way to ask for more??

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    I've always thought that asking for tips is really obnoxious and inappropriate. Nothing turns off customers more than doing this. A nicer way to do a little upselling is to say that the room is $200 an hour and anything extra you'd feel comfortable with tipping would be greatly appreciate it. I think that's the farthest you should ever go if you want to see that customer in the club again.

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    I have always asked for tips. Maybe because I live in Vegas and don't really worry about constant regulars, we usually only have men passing through, but you have to let them know that your time is valuable, and let them know if they want to have a good time in VIP, then it would be in their better interest to tip you. The more money you get, the better the dance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xeacx
    I have always asked for tips. Maybe because I live in Vegas and don't really worry about constant regulars,
    You're losing out on a ton of cash then. Even in the high-tourist clubs I know countless dancers who earn an extra $10,000+ a year based on regulars. While they may not come in every week, just getting enough of them who come in twice a year and ask for you by name would add a lot of money to your income.

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    i just wanted to add that sometimes asking for more can create problems with the other girls and can even get you fired. i would find out what the club policy on charging is. some clubs are -very- serious about "no haggle" prices, while some give the dancers room. i've seen girls fired because regular costumers will complain to management if a girl tries to overcharge.

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    See? This is a hard topic to deal with. Officially, you're not supposed to ask. Unofficially, every girl who goes upstairs more than once in the night ask. I agree with DW though. I think it's not that classy. Especially the girls who "require" it.

    I think my plan of action is going to be to stay busy on the floor. If a guy decides to ask me about the rooms, I'll simply tell the truth, it's smarter for me to continue on the floor. If he presses, I'll at that point say that I'd need x amount to be comfortable spending my hour with him alone vs staying on the floor.

    I'm thinking that the initial rejection of going upstairs with him will act like a dangling treat. He'll have to know how he can 'get me' where he wants me...

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    My club is considerably different. I used to work at a club where we couldn't really ask for tips, and there were constant regulars, but at this club, no locals come in and the tourists that do come in are there on conventions and the only reason they came into our club is because of how much they pay the taxi drivers to bring them there. I'm sure if I were working at different clubs I wouldn't ask for them, but at the one that I am at as of now, I am making a good amount of money per night (even though I look at it per hour), more than I was making at any of the clubs I've worked out prior.
    I guess it's all where you work at and what your clientele is like?

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    I don't ask for tips. It is all in the way you phrase everything. Since dances are pre-paid here in Australia... if the customer is going for a basic lap dance I will get him to pay.. then just before I start the dance when he is comfortable I will say "If you give me $20 right now I will make the dance extra raunchy" (or more erotic, sensual or whatever word I feel like using)

    I've had good general success with that approach. You have to be confident in it .. do not ask half heartedly.. expecting to not get the tip. Ask expecting the extra $20... be confident.


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    at the end of the vip, the guy says "how much" and i say " (dollar amount) and tipping is optional" they get the hint.

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    Katherine, I like your idea. Something else you could do though as opposed to saying, "it's not worth my time up there" is make it in their best interests to get songs on the floor. Is there a big difference between the VIP room and the floor? Making a comment as to they get more for their money on the floor than in the VIP because they are not that much different, could be successful because they'll feel like your not trying to rip them off.

    I worked in one club that you could get a 15 minute VIP, but it wasn't worth it because you would get more from doing dances on the floor. I often said something like, "to be honest, it's actually better just to stay on the floor so I'd love to dance for you here" and the response was always that they appreciated my honesty.

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    Izabella has a great point. If the VIP area does not pull as much as if you were dancing for the customer on the floor, stay on the floor! He WILL appreciate your honesty, and may even tip then for being so honest! I have used thist tactic many times when a customer is put of by the price of our VIP. If he doesn't jump at it, but I don't want to loose him I will tell him that he could enjoy my company for an hour at a time on the floor, I'd just need him to pay for that up front, and that in fact, he'd be saving money by not paying for the VIP room itself!

    It is more work me because I wind up dancing more and I do not get to sit and drink with the customer (I'm not a drinker anyway) but I still make great money and the customer is still happy.

    BUT in response to your main question....if you are not comfortable asking for a tip, then don't ask. Confidence is key, and to get it without upsetting the customer or being let down yourself, you have to feel that you deserve it.
    My method at the end of a great night in VIP......

    "I had a wonderful time so and so, thank you for coming up here with me! Like I said earlier tipping is totally optional and would only make a great night better! I can't wait to see you again!" (unless ofcourse he was a troll, then I don't say that last part!
    When I sell the VIP I let them know then "The price covers your dances with me, and our time, tipping is always optional."

    So, that's my long winded version of how I do it.....

    Good luck to you!

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