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    Default Pheonix or Alberquerque?

    I'm going to be staying just about halfway between Phx and Albq this winter, and I want to travel to one of them to work for a week or two here and there. The question is... which one?

    Pheonix sounds good (I'd love a wanna-dance place like HiLiter right now) but maybe more competitive than I'd like? It sounds awful, but I like it when the money's easy.

    TD's in Albq sounds good in some reviews/posts, but depressing in others. Is it seasonal?

    Any opinions?



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    Default Re: Pheonix or Alberquerque?

    There is a Rhino in ABQ as well that you might consider if you like upscale clubs.

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    blah on the rhino. they kept upping their prices for dancers after they weren't so "new." TD's North is good. Seasonal, sure, but a fun relatively clean place. I would say do both Phoenix and ABQ. Plus, TD's is cool because they've got a lower stage fee for travelling dancers, I think like $10. Isn't there a TD's in Phoenix? Work both of them so that you can maybe get them to pay you to feature in ABQ.

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    In Phoenix, Hi-Liter, Bandaids, and Pantera's parent company owns the 2 TD's clubs in Albuquerque. They have another club Cheeks, in Santa Fe which might be ok.

    Money is a little iffier in the winter in Albuquerque. I worked a few day at the Eubank TD's in the wintertime and would have to say Phoenix is better money. New Mexico is kinda cold.

    You could always stop at Petes Place in Payson and work since you pass it on the way to Phoenix. Then you can tell us first hand how the money is there.

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    Phoenix. Definitely. ABQ slows down in winter while Phx picks up. There's no TDs in Phx but HiLiter, Pantera and Bandaids are all owned by same guys as TDs in ABQ, as Tina says.

    There's really not that much competition at HL. Alot of girls, yes, but alot of custies also - usually 2-3 custies per girl. You literally just go round and round asking for dances and it's easy. It gets really really crowded, so if you don't like that, you may get annoyed with it though. You get bumped and run into alot - in the dressing room, on the floor, doing dances...it's crowded.

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    I didn't like TD's in Albuquerque. The customers were gropey and sleazy. No one sits at the tiprail and I HATE dancing onstage for no one, but they still make you go onstage. I made about $100 in six hours and left because I just didn't like it there.

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    Pheonix it is, then. Thanks guys.

    Do I need a liscence for the HiLiter? Can I work when I show up? Do they let you work four hours early, leave, and come back for four hours?



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    Yes you need a license. It costs $25 and takes about 15 minutes to get. No schedules at Hi-Liter. You can leave and come back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lena
    Pheonix it is, then. Thanks guys.

    Do I need a liscence for the HiLiter? Can I work when I show up? Do they let you work four hours early, leave, and come back for four hours?
    Yes, yes, and yes.

    Get the license at City Hall, 11th floor.

    At HiLiter, when we say, "work when you want" it means EXACTLY that. You pay your $25 to come in whenever you want, work as long as you want, leave, come back later, leave again, come back later...they don't care as long as you pay your $25 house fee and your 10% staff tipout. Wear anything (or not) you want as long as you have on a thong and shoes. Play any music you want as long as it's not too slow. They will hire on the spot and let you go right to work - just show ID, stripper license and fill out the short form. Bring a lock for the lockers - you can't leave your stuff overnight but you can leave it for the day if you're coming back that day. No drinking at work but you can drink on the floor BEFORE you get dressed in work clothes.

    When are you going? I will be there Sep 21-30, and then about one week per month through April.

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    Wow Bridgette. I remember when you recently said you were going back to Phoenix in November, now you are back this month, and now one week a month for 6 months.

    Could it be you are planning a gradual move back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    When are you going? I will be there Sep 21-30, and then about one week per month through April.
    I have no idea. I'm still in Alaska now, but we're leaving in about a week... then it'll take about 3 weeks to get to NM, and then I might feel like working again in 2 weeks... or four... or six. I'll PM you before I go tho, it would be cool if we were there at the same time.



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    well, if you do go to ABQ to visit or whatever, avoid the eubank TD's. Do the north one. And, you can pay to get offstage. It's like $20 as long as the DJ has the girls to put up. Couldn't tell you what its like during the winter time but night time is definitely better than the day time. Also Eubank is super dirty-- girls pay out extra for managers to overlook stuff. Didn't see that going on at all at the north location, though some waitresses would allow custies to totally manhandle their boobs during a dance (they can sell dances too.)

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    I worked at TD's North in ABQ for years and loved it, but it's definitely gone downhill since new owners took over 5 years ago. A friend from Austin danced there this summer and averaged $400 working from 9-2. She liked it and said it was easier than dancing in Austin. It's a $10 wanna dance club with a similar style as Bridgette described the Hiliter, they have the same owners. House fee is $25 and you can come and go as you please, as a result there's usually a ton of dancers. There is definitely a higher sleaze factor than ever before but I still always made good money staying within my own boundaries. It's not demanded or expected from all guys and most are fine with whatever limits you set, and it's not as bad as some of the things I've read dancers having to put up with on this site.

    I did just learn that they started taking a commission on dances-on $10 dances! Bridgette, have they started doing that at Hiliter? Outrageous. TD's North is an easy club to just show up and make some money at if you're passing through town, but not worth making a destination.

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    I haven't been to HL since late June, so if they've started taking a dance commission it's been since then. I can't imagine they would though - they already get the 10% tipout (some of which goes to the club and the rest gets divided among the staff) PLUS the $5 from every VIP dance. I can't imagine the girls there would put up with that shit - there's a few vets who are good friends with the owners and have some influence who would start making some serious noise if they tried to take a commission on the $10 dances on top of what they already get.

    No Tina, I'm not planning any move back there. Just like working there and it's worth it for me to travel there one week per month through season. Especially considering I can only stand to work here a couple nights a week - it's a bit rough here. I do like living here much better though. But something about being engaged to a man with a real job means I won't be doing the crazy moving like I used to....not as much anyway - he likes to move some too

    Thanks to the license law in Phoenix, waitresses can't do dances anymore at HL, unless of course they get licensed, which they generally don't want to do.

    Lena - def let me know when you're going there!! I could also give you the scoop if there happens to be a $ event going on in town around the time you want to go, so you could plan accordingly. I certainly plan to make my trips around those...

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    Addition:

    So Tina. I guess I've gotta eat some words again. Fiance just got home, said he'd rather just move back to Phx and keep the house because it's not selling, and renting it for a year will cost more than it would for us to just move back. And if I'm gonna travel to work there anyway, might as well just live there. We'd both really prefer to stay here, but financially it's best to live there. So we're moving back at the end of the year, when the lease is up here. LOL!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
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    So Tina. I guess I've gotta eat some words again. Fiance just got home, said he'd rather just move back to Phx and keep the house because it's not selling, and renting it for a year will cost more than it would for us to just move back. And if I'm gonna travel to work there anyway, might as well just live there. We'd both really prefer to stay here, but financially it's best to live there. So we're moving back at the end of the year, when the lease is up here. LOL!!!
    And there was much rejoicing. (Now, if I can only figure out a way to get Bridgette to Bourbon Street from the Hi-Liter.)

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    Lena,
    I work at a club in Phoenix, Tempe to be exact....and during the winter it is wonderful. Now I have never been to NM, but I know that during season our club is busy, the money is easy and the atmosphere is up-beat and fun.

    I have been curious what NM is like though, I've heard good things.

    Christies in Tempe is where I work.....say hello if you decide to check it out!

    Good Luck!

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    Hey Bridgette. I know the real estate market has slowed down a lot in AZ. But on the plus side, you guys own a home, which is probably much more comfortable than renting, and you like the clubs there more than in WA so maybe it was meant to be.

    I'll pop in and say hi one night when you're working. Maybe I'll see if they'll hire me at Hi-Liter this time on one of my weeks back there since I already was hired at Band-Aids.

    Chili Palmer, why does Bridgette need to come to Bourbon Street? Why don't you come to Hi-Liter? I know you're the classic hobbyist/club hopper.

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    Tina, I suppose it IS meant to be, at least for a while more. The house is nice (yes much better than an apt), the mortgage is affordable for us, the location is great, the strip clubs are great, his work base is still Tempe but they like him so much they let him transfer here and work out of the office here so they would be thrilled to have him back there....etc. I just wish I could figure out how to relate there socially and he wishes it wouldn't be so HOT.

    Maybe you should try getting hired there, and we can dance rings around some of those young chics together

    CP, wtf is so great about BSC? I checked it out as a customer and HATED it. I think I'd fall asleep if I had to work there - BORING. Hot girls maybe (little assembly-line looking IYAM) but BORING. I think that's the most bored I've ever been in a SC.

    And oh yeah Tina - CP does go to HL. 'Specially if I'm there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    Chili Palmer, why does Bridgette need to come to Bourbon Street? Why don't you come to Hi-Liter? I know you're the classic hobbyist/club hopper.
    Well, that certainly describes me to a "T" in five words or less.

    I've been an HL mainstay for over 15 years, preferring it to all comers whenever I visited PHX. After I moved here last year, I practically lived at the joint. HL started to wear on me: the $75 minimum for their VIP dances, the fact that the only place in the club to get a decent lap was against the wall and the best seats there were basically held hostage by the doormen, and the fact that because the dancers don't have any type of set/required schedule (just the thing you ladies admire about the place), meant that finding a current fave was too often hit or miss.

    The kicker for me, though, is BSC's VIP area. $20 a dance (as opposed to HL's $25), no minimum # of dances required (so if a dancer sucks, you can cut your losses after one) and much more privacy. Let's face it, I enjoy as much 2-way contact as I am allowed to have, and BSC (with the right dancer) simply blows away HL in that category. I realize the pink site runs screaming into the night at the mere hint of mileage, but if you want an honest answer, there it is.

    Finally, the sheer volume of smokin' hot babes makes BSC my current club of choice. Checking my TREO, as of today, I have lapped over 50 different dancers at BSC, and 18 of them are in my current rotation, as opposed to less than 10 dancers at HL and six dancers at each of the Christies with I always lap. The other clubs aren't even on my radar.

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    CP, lack of schedules is only ONE of the things we love about HL. There are also the facts they'll let us wear ANYthing we want and play any music we want, has a fun party atmosphere, consistent earnings potential and a wide mix of girls/custies. That's hard to beat from a dancer's POV

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    Of course. We've discussed this before.

    I could argue that as BSC is the only club in PHX where dancers can actually drink (behind the bar), it certainly contributes to a party atmosphere, that I see all sorts of dancer outfits that run the gamut in the club and that VIPs at BSC are soooo much easier to sell at BSC vs HL so it's a lot easier to double your hourly income without working any harder, not to mention the fact that HL seems to skew much younger than BSC (just an anecdotal observation on my part).

    I don't know how much input you have on music at BSC , but one of my current faves seems to program her own (she asks me if I liked what she picks). I don't know about tipouts/schedule requirements, but it certainly seems worthwhile on your part to reinvestigate the possibility (at least on Thursday nights ).

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    Party?? Drunk is one thing. Fun is another. I'm tellin ya, the place bored the hell outta me. I was checking it out for the possibility of working there - heard there might be more money. Didn't like it - too sleepy. All the custies had bored blank looks on their faces, and so did the girls. And it was quiet, despite the fact it was crowded. Crowds aren't supposed to be quiet, IMO. I like a place that's a bit more lively and....awake

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    Hi-Liter is set up to attract a melting pot of dancers and customers. For years, Hi-Liter has always been a place to go for customers and dancers of all races to feel comfortable. You'll find in the crowd educated middle aged white men, black men, and hispanic men mixed in with younger hip hop customers, rocker customers, and women. The dancer mix is more integrated, although the owners of Hi-Liter are not hiring as many women of color and sending them to Band Aids and Pantera in an attempt to market the last two clubs to the urban crowd, although Band-Aids does get some older customers from Hi-Liter in the mix, and does have all races of dancers working, but is a little heavier on the women of color. Pantera is set up as an upscale urban club. Hi-Liter is trying to keep their same customer mix, but attract more middle aged professional customers (from Christies and BSC) at the same time.

    And they still run Band Aids and Hi-Liter in the traditional Southwestern way. Girls go round and round approaching every customer for dances. All the types of customers buy dances in Hi-Liter. Profiling doesn't work. Plus they only do one song sets so that the mixture of girls keeps the music mixed up. Everyone will hear music they enjoy here. Being a $10 a song "wanna dance club", it does not require sitting with the customers and getting personal for a dancer to get her money.

    If this country is getting any closer to being a melting pot society, the atmosphere in Hi-Liter more typifies it. The dancers and customers will always see someone like them in the club to interact with.

    Plus requiring everyone to be seated keeps the crowd from becoming rowdy amidst such a wide array of customer types, and also makes it easier to approach every type of customer in selling dances.

    When customers see everyone around them buying dances and are constantly being approached by girl after girl, they too will feel obligated to buy dances themselves, even if in another club around town or in another state they may be hesitant.

    Bourbon Street on the other hand isn't marketing to the same demographic. Their club has always been ultra picky on dancers and the racial mix of customers and dancers isn't as good there. One will see a "token mix" of hispanic and black dancers, and that goes for the customer base as well.

    BSC doesn't have the same table to table work the floor energy as Hi-Liter and some customers may hardly get approached by dancers at all. It is trying to be as Christie's is a more time and company club in the "wanna dance" Southwest. The customer base BSC is focused on is the upwardly mobile and affluent white male, and the younger white males from privileged backgrounds. Other races are not as comfortable in this club, and it is much harder for a woman of color to get in.

    So as a dancer in this club, with the table to table hustle energy having been diluted, girls there must sit more and "talk the money" out of the customer, therfore the money doesn't flow as quickly as Hi-Liter. Clubs like Band-Aids and Hi-Liter can allow for dancers to sell 10 dances an hour when the clubs are full, and the yardmans helpers may buy as many dances as the upper crust white guys buy.

    CP, I understand your vantage point from the VIP perspective. And BSC is a bigger club and not so crowded. I am the type of dancer, and I surmise Bridgette is too ( or she would be at Christie's or Bourbon Street), who is comfortable making money off of a variety of customers. I have a millionaire regular and other upper income custys who are white who only buy from me, and I can work the room with cowboys, young blacks, older blacks, illegal mexican immigrants, or mexican citizens and be very comfortable. Being in a club that only caters to an upper crust sliver of society, and not everyone else just doesn't feel right to me.

    If a club is run properly, it truly should be a melting pot environment where girls can make money off of everyone, and not have to fast talk them to do it.

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    ^^^^^^ Wow Tina, that is an incredibly accurate description of the club atmosphere's. And another reason why I don't like BSC. It is one of the more boring atmosphere's I've seen.

    Hi-Liter is definitely the place to experience just about anything. There is a great mix of dancers and customers all who seem to get along. Definitely the highest percentage of gals dancing at any one time of all the clubs.


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