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    Default Scheduling question

    I run the girls for two venues, open 15-20 hours a day.

    I have certain restrictions, such as I cant have the same girl dancing for two shifts in a row at the same venue (but they are only 10minutes walk apart) so she can work arvo at one and evening at the other no problems.

    They cannot work the exact same shift two nights in a row (so an earlier shift on a Fri, then the late shifts on Sat in fine)

    Im also supposed to rotate girls, so they arent on the exact same shift two weeks in a row.

    Then I get these girls (two in particular) who only make themselves available for specific shifts at a specific venue ie Weds after 6 at Barrack, and only make themselves available 1-2 shifts a week. The shifts they ask for are the peak money shifts.

    So some weeks I cant give them any/enough shifts. Then they bitch about it. Unfortunately one is screwing (WAS, anyway, hes dumped her for a new chik hes chasing, but doesnt have a chance lol) a manager and the other doesnt actually do anything WRONG, so I cant just fire them and be done with it.

    I wish both of them would leave to be honest!

    Neither of them are willing to attempt to be more flexible.

    I asked the second girl to work one saturday a MONTH so she could get enough hours and she refused, cos she wants to spend that specific day with her boyf. She cant dance other hours as she works at out major competition (Im not supposed to know that) She has worked only on Thursday arvo for 2 years, she will rarely take a tuesday arvo, but doesnt offer to change her hours on semester break etc.

    This one ALSO bitches and when I said "Angel is a single mum, Lotus cares for her dying mum, they are NOT losing shifts for you" she got all pissy "well IM an international student, and school is SO expensive here"

    The first girl will bitch around the club that im "forcing her" to get "massage work" but not giving her the shifts she wants.

    SOME girls are rather set in their hours, as they have school or kids to be babysat, but they at least say "Weds/Thurs daytime please", and will ALWAYS take on extra shifts when there is no school, or they can get extra daycare etc, so its not a permanant few shifts each week for ever and ever.

    The questions:

    What do you expect from your club in scheduling shifts?

    How do you organise your schedule?

    How flexible are you?

    Would you be inflexible then expect the best shifts?

    What would you do in my position?

    Thanks ladies!

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    I expect to be able to do the shifts I want, no more, no less. I am fairly flexable about it though and will fill in when possible if need be. I also do my roster when nessesary or if I want an extra shift will ask ahead of time, or not expect to get it if Im asking late...

    I think your clubs shift regulations sound too strict especially not being able to do the same 2 weeks in a row. I understand though that if there is a day shift and a night shift there could be a few problems, but surely being able to pick regular shifts is an easier option?

    I dont always think it's fair for girls to do minimal amount of shifts but always expect to do the 2 busy ones. However for alot of dancers it just works out that these are the only times possible or practical (school, other work, family etc). As long as they're set shifts and they're always on time and good workers etc, it's probably not worth worrying about.

    If I was in your position I would be pushing for less shift rules. There has to be an easier way surely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiepunkshocker

    I think your clubs shift regulations sound too strict especially not being able to do the same 2 weeks in a row. I understand though that if there is a day shift and a night shift there could be a few problems, but surely being able to pick regular shifts is an easier option?

    If I was in your position I would be pushing for less shift rules. There has to be an easier way surely.
    The main reason for this rule is we get alot of businessmen come in on their lunch breaks etc, and if they drop in at a set day/time every week, and its always the same girl on stage, same girl on the floor(we cycle throughout the day) they complain. Ive experienced this personally, as I used to work set days at a set venue (had issues with one of the managers) and guys would say "oh YOU again", and walk out!

    One girl could work ONLY tues or weds nights till 11, until recently, and went from being our lowest earner at $30 a shift, just cos the same guys were sick of her, up to the 2nd highest, by changing her roster slightly.

    Its not like we are hardly open, and we have the two venues. So girls CAN work the same times, but different venues each week, but these two girls only want certain shifts at set venue, weekly.

    I know what you mean about working when you want tho, thats the best thing about this job! Specially for me, since Im in charge of rosters. If Im short on Cash Ill fill in extra shifts myself, rather than trying to get other girls in.

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    Honestly - I hate bosses like you! lol <--- dont take that to heart!

    I like to work my own times/days that I want to, I put a roster in each week at the begining and I will only work those tmes and days for reasons - either comitments, family, friends, or I just want that night off!

    You should let them be a little more free about what shifts they want to work - telling a stripper she can on work x date and x time is asking for trouble!

    I know I crack the shits and get angry when I am told to do something like work on a day I dont like! I dont get overly angry, but I do not feel happy about it!

    By forcing them to work a shift they dont want, you risk them not showing up at all, I mean you want to screw them around and be difficult, they will do the same to you - I know this first hand!

    I started in this industry for the freedom to work the hours and days I want - I do not want some bitchy boss telling me when I HAVE to work!
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    I don't know if this is going to be helpful or not, but in some parts of the Northeast many clubs have the same sort of business model situation you refer to i.e. businessmen coming in for lunches and occasional afternoon 'deal negotiations' with their clients resulting in hit or miss earnings potential, lots of travelling club customers making certain nights of the weeks gangbusters but others more like a ghost town etc. In these sort of situations, a lot of clubs have enacted a rule that for every 'primo' shift that a dancer wishes to book, she must first book and work a 'hit or miss' shift earlier in the same week.

    This sort of rule does result in a handful of dancers leaving for greener pastures, since they only want to work (and only WILL work) 'primo' shifts. On the other hand, most of the other dancers are happier campers, since their own earnings potential is no longer reduced by having a big chunk of the high roller 'primo' shift club customer money go to the '"primo-donna'" dancers while they're stuck working a monday night or a tuesday afternoon in order to earn enough to make ends meet. This sort of rule also seems to produce better relations between the club and the dancers, as both are perceived as acting more fairly to the other.

    The kicker to making this system work, though, is having enough 'top notch' dancers who are willing to agree to the scheduling conditions such that the 'quality' of the club's dancers doesn't decline overall or that the club doesn't wind up being short of dancers. In the Northeast market, clubs with serious earnings potential usually don't have any shortage of 'top notch' dancers knocking at their door ... but in other markets this may not be the case.

    Another option is to go with the club charging high stage fees for working 'primo' shifts, but offering zero stage fees or even giving stage fee 'credits' for working 'hit or miss' shifts. I have seen a few clubs do this ... i.e. charging every dancer who wants to work a Friday or Saturday night $100 in stage fees, but charging zero for monday nights, and even issuing a $50 stage fee 'credit' for working afternoon shifts. In other words, if a dancer chooses to work monday through thursday afternoon plus friday and saturday night, her stage fee 'credits' and stage fee 'charges' cancel out. If a different dancer only wants to 'cherry-pick' friday and saturday night, she can do so but it will cost her $200.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mild2wild
    I like to work my own times/days that I want to, I put a roster in each week at the begining and I will only work those tmes and days for reasons - either comitments, family, friends, or I just want that night off!

    You should let them be a little more free about what shifts they want to work - telling a stripper she can on work x date and x time is asking for trouble!

    I started in this industry for the freedom to work the hours and days I want - I do not want some bitchy boss telling me when I HAVE to work!
    I think you might have read this wrong. These two girls are only giving me 4 hours a week in which they are available, and only to work at a certain venue.

    These hours never vary.

    They then bitch when they get no hours. Thats my major problem.

    Im always flexible with the flexible girls, they give me 40 shifts they are available each week, and get as many hours as they ask for, usually.

    I cant tell the girls when they have to work, but I can tell them that I cant book them at the hours they want, then offer them their choice of hours for any other day/time, since i cant give their first choice.

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    Maybe it is time for them to move onto greener pastures?

    Just fire them if they dont want to work a complete shft! Get the girls to sign contracts that says they must do shifts (I signed one of these when I worked for Gold Fingers)

    I also think that if the girls want to work a full shift on the prime shifts, then maybe you need to only allow them to work on those shifts... if then you think it is loosing customers - tell the girls that, if they still fail to comply tell them see ya!

    I have only ever worked at clubs where they let me work the hours and days I want, usually I choose the busier shifts!

    Maybe as an incentive, give the girls guarenteed money to come in on the quite shifts, atleast then they will know what they are going to earn, they can also earn tips on top of that.

    If they then cant comply, they are breaking a contract - then there is means to fire them.... who cares if one is fucking the boss - tell the boss that it is fucking up the business!

    Also you mention that you are house mum and you dance, have you ever thought that the girls do not like that! I honestly would never hold an ounce of respect if my boss started stripping with me (Even though I run an agency - I do not strip with in my agency at all! if I cant fill a job, I cancel it) And by you doing a few shifts, the girls may not take you serious enough.... maybe they dont want to work with their 'manager' It is a tough decision to make....

    I also notcie that you have posted quite abit about working at club x as a dance mum previously, have you ever considered just working there as a house mum or a dancer and not confuse the two - or try to do both at the same time of employment?

    That is my $0.02c and I look forward to your reply!
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    All of our girls work a set schedule, meaning I am scheduled the same three shifts every week. And we can come in on our days off and work whenever we want. It works out very well and I haven't heard many complaints.

    Around here dayshift customers are loyal to certain girls, so they like to know when they'll be there. I don't know how you'd cultivate regulars if you didn't know your schedule from one week to the next. Personally, I'd work somewhere else if it was like that. It ain't McDonalds, so I'm not going to rearrange my life to work someone else's schedule.
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