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    I was arrested and charged last night under the child sex laws.

    Turns out a performer had fake id, and was only 17.

    In my defence Ive never actually been trained (or even TOLD by management) how to check ID, it had her birthdate, full name and a photo, so I accepted it.

    I have kept better records than any of the previous girls, and actually checked ID, when I started NOONE checked mine. I was asked "do you have an ABN, are you over 18?" then started there the next week.

    I turned down an applicant as she was not yet 18, around the same time, Im hoping she will testify and say so.

    So I go to court on Tuesday and stand the risk of 5 years jail, and a sex offender criminal record.

    I work with children and CANNOT have a criminal record to use my 4 year university degree. With a record I cant even visit my mum, as I cant be around disabled kids, nor can I provide respite and have my sister on school holidays.

    Im in Australia (as that no doubt changes things), any advice please?

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    Oh damn hun. I am so sorry to hear that. We gotcher back!!!
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    That sucks! What a shit thing for management to do to you! Get a good lawyer, like NOW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    That sucks! What a shit thing for management to do to you! Get a good lawyer, like NOW!
    Yeah cos three guess who didnt even BOTHER to contact me until I sent out a text warning the girls that their records and all details had been seized by police.

    I THEN got told off, cos I had no right to warn the girls about that - IT WAS THEIR PRIVATE INFO!!

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    Holy shi, another girl is prostituting herself and YOU get shit for hiring a completely other girl.

    Damn this club is going downhill quickly. :/


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    Quote Originally Posted by lilithmorrigan
    Holy shi, another girl is prostituting herself and YOU get shit for hiring a completely other girl.

    Damn this club is going downhill quickly. :/

    Yeah and its about to get worse. I had a girl organised to take over when I left in a few months, but she has a criminal record and cant risk this happening to her!

    So the biggest extras slut is screwing a manager, and Ive been told to give her my paperwork.

    THe place was pretty shitty to start off with(I tried and really cracked down, think I did make thngs a bit better over the months) and now its going to get worse.

    Plus I have no savings, cos we used everything for bond.

    ANd I cant work in the industry as it will hurt my case.

    Shitty job here I come!

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    so you knew all of this illegal activity was going on and you kept working there???
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    Get the most qualified lawyer you can, and don't skimp. We Americans have no idea what's legally relevant and what isn't in your country, so any advice you're going to get here is more like moral support. You need an expert who can run all the interference possible for you.

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    I think FREE CELESTE signs and a protest are in order!
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    Did you get a copy of the fake ID? That would be your best defense. Most clubs over here nowadays, keep a photocopy of our ID to cover their asses for something like this. In any case, I agree - get a lawyer!!

    Wishing you luck over here.

    God, I wouldn't be surprised if the cunt you were firing for extras was the one who called the cops and said there was a minor working there. Chics like that have no scruples

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    Quote Originally Posted by mild2wild
    so you knew all of this illegal activity was going on and you kept working there???
    The last I checked, it's not only legal but rather noble, to try to make a difference by attempting to eliminate illegal activity and the riff raff who engage in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mild2wild
    so you knew all of this illegal activity was going on and you kept working there???

    I had an idea that there were extras girls and people dodging tax. When I ran the girls I stopped majority of extras, and checked that everyone atleast had an abn (If it was false I dont know, passed the papers onto managers)

    Management says "girls are subcontractors, what they do is thier business"

    Unfortunately most of the clubs in Perth are even worse, with contact and touching, not to mention extras.
    Thought I think they actually CHECK tax details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evan_essence
    Get the most qualified lawyer you can, and don't skimp. We Americans have no idea what's legally relevant and what isn't in your country, so any advice you're going to get here is more like moral support. You need an expert who can run all the interference possible for you.

    Sorry sweetie. I'm casting a spell for you.

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    Thankyou! I have a friend who is a Queens Councillor and he is advising atm. I should be ok, as in no jail, but I might get a criminal record still.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    Did you get a copy of the fake ID? That would be your best defense. Most clubs over here nowadays, keep a photocopy of our ID to cover their asses for something like this. In any case, I agree - get a lawyer!!
    They have the ID she showed me. Yeah apparently Im supposed to have a copy of all workers who may be under 21 (legal age is 1 with thier ID, full tax details etc.
    Not that management bothered to tell me this

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    God, I wouldn't be surprised if the cunt you were firing for extras was the one who called the cops and said there was a minor working there. Chics like that have no scruples
    Im wondering about that too. This chicks closest friend at work think it may have even been the girls PARENTS. I just wonder how they knew! Cos she was 19 by the ID and and stuck to that story. Like I said her best friend didnt even know.

    THanks for your support!!!

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    Ok - forget about tax - not paying that is not going to get you arrested, it will land you in hot water with the ATO...

    On to the club...

    You worked there knowing that other girls were doing extras (even suspeecting someone is doing extras is considered knowing something)

    Your posts previously go on about how the girls do extras etc.... do you ever consider that the PLA (prostitute licensing authority) dont read these boards> I know they check other sites like cracker, funinasutralia and loads more, to keep out illegal activity both online and in the street!

    If you knew the girls were doing extras (or were suspiciious) then you should have quit, simple... I would rather be touched then have a criminal history!

    From your other posts you sounded like you were trying to 'change' things.... well in my experience in the adult industry - no one will change anything, girls will always do extras, even if not at your clu they will at another... Owners/Managers will never sack these girls, they are suspicious but they are earning money from the repeat business...

    Question,
    did any of the other girls, staff, managers get in trouble?
    Are there 'you must be over 18" signs in the entrance?
    Did you copy her id?
    were you arrested because she produced a fake id or you failed to check her id properly? reading the above 2 posts you sound contradicting!
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    ^^^ Cut her some slack. She was managing. Trying to get rid of the extras girls. Someone has to! And yes, some managers DO try to get rid of the extras girls. Surprise, surprise.
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    that really sucks. i don't know anything about aussie law but i do know you get GET A LAWYER as soon as possible. Hope it works out.

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    an underage girl with a fake ID got busted working at my old club. management did not get into any trouble at all because they had a formed signed by her stating she was over 18 with her liscense number with a photocopy of her ID, so she took 100% of the blame.

    if you've got those forms you should be alright. without those forms though... i really dunno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darcy Foxx
    an underage girl with a fake ID got busted working at my old club. management did not get into any trouble at all because they had a formed signed by her stating she was over 18 with her liscense number with a photocopy of her ID, so she took 100% of the blame.

    if you've got those forms you should be alright. without those forms though... i really dunno.

    No forms like that. Management has NO paperwork at all on the girls, and until I took overthe girls, no one did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mild2wild
    Your posts previously go on about how the girls do extras etc.... do you ever consider that the PLA (prostitute licensing authority) dont read these boards> I know they check other sites like cracker, funinasutralia and loads more, to keep out illegal activity both online and in the street!

    If you knew the girls were doing extras (or were suspiciious) then you should have quit, simple... I would rather be touched then have a criminal history!
    I was hoping those girl WOULD get caught. Legally Id have to be caught doing extras to be charged, and since I dont go close than 30cms to the guy...

    As subcontractor the individual and the club get in trouble. And I would testify that management allows (Encourgages) extras to occur.

    THe other clubs in town have BOTH touching AND extras.


    Quote Originally Posted by mild2wild
    Question,
    did any of the other girls, staff, managers get in trouble?
    Are there 'you must be over 18" signs in the entrance?
    Did you copy her id?
    were you arrested because she produced a fake id or you failed to check her id properly? reading the above 2 posts you sound contradicting!
    Noone else is in trouble yet, as Im apparently responsible for the performers. However I have emails fro tmeh head office stating that I must consult management before hiring/firing girls.

    Yes there are "over 18 signs"

    I didnt copy her id, but the police have seized it.
    It was fake id, but apparently I should have contacted the authorities to make sure that it was real, not that Ive EVER heard of anyone else doing that before.

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    i think it's because even though they now have the ID, there is no proof that you actually checked it. unless you get them to sign a form stating that they're over 18 and have a copy of the ID that they presented to you, technically you are completely liable for underage charges if that person turns out to be a minor. it's a crappy rule, but that's generally the way it works in aus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darcy Foxx
    i think it's because even though they now have the ID, there is no proof that you actually checked it. unless you get them to sign a form stating that they're over 18 and have a copy of the ID that they presented to you, technically you are completely liable for underage charges if that person turns out to be a minor. it's a crappy rule, but that's generally the way it works in aus.

    I had a male staff member present, and he verified the ID was fine. He is making a statement for me.

    Yeah Im spewing I had no idea about that. I was never asked, and just assumed that the club would make sure that I knew about all the neccessary paperwork. Specially since one of the managers has been there 20 years!

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    If you have no phot copy or signed contract - then there is no proof you checked it...

    Also if in a club there is one girl doing extras and the rest ae not, depending on the situation (an in your case) every one should get in trouble for prostituting (reasons mentioned previously)

    Also are you being charged because you did not know that she was 18 or are you getting in trouble for 'premisis used for prostitution'

    I know a fair bit about this all, as I have good friends who work in the north qld pla, I also did a photo shoot with him, he is a good friend, we have since had long conversations regarding the laws etc which may effect my business and we were comparing it to clubs etc.
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    Did the girl start before or after you were manager?

    Either way, the PLA will pin you for it (sorry not what you want to hear) but generally they will make a non-convictional notice on your record.

    Generally fines are up to $1000.00 for firrst time offenders (breach of minor working in an adult explicit venue is however different)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mild2wild
    If you have no phot copy or signed contract - then there is no proof you checked it...
    She has admitted that she proved fake ID. The police have it and verified that it was the card she showed me.

    Im being charged cos I didnt know she was under 18.

    She started after I was running the girls, however in my favour I was approached by another 17 year old wanting work, and she is willing to sign a stat dec that I refused her as a performer on the basis that she was underage.

    Also Im not a manager, im just another dancer, who does the rostering and auditions new girls. My phone bill gets covered, but I dont recieve a wage etc for doing the job. Management has final say over hiring-firing.

    PLA has not been involved at all. This is Childrens services.

    She is made out as the "victim" whom I enticed to perform. SHE came in and asked for work, however, AND knew how important it was to check that she was over 18.
    She admits she supplied fake ID, yet is the victim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaigeDWinter
    ^^^ Cut her some slack. She was managing. Trying to get rid of the extras girls. Someone has to! And yes, some managers DO try to get rid of the extras girls. Surprise, surprise.

    No shit! Give her a break. It's not like she was intentionally trying to do anything illegal. I think the least we can do is be a little supportive of her right now.
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