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    Finally after years of putting this off, today I am starting The Anti-Candida Diet. I am posting this because I feel I HAVE to do it and stick to it if I tell everyone!
    I first was diagnosed with Cronic Fatigue Syndrom 10 years ago although I feel like I had some symptons long before that in all honestly. Over the last few years I have found ways to manage it reasonable well, but I really want to be rid of it for good as I still have shitty feeling days and times and I really cant stand not feeling great all the time!!!!! I am really over the brain fog more than anything too!!!!!

    It's not going to be easy. I have to cut out all food and drink which contains yeast or sugar and / or traces of. The idea behind this is to starve candida out of existance. It's almost impossible to be rid of it otherwise... The foods I can eat have to be fresh and scrubbed clean since many fruits and vegetables have traces of yeast on their skins. I will also go through an awful withdrawal as the candida dies off. Hopefully the withdrawal will only last 4-5 days... I can't eat anything processed, actually it's easier to name what I can eat - not much, brown rice, wholemeal pasta, fresh vegetables, some fruits but only fresh and scrubbed clean, fish and some fresh meats, plain yogart, cottage cheese, hmm that's the basics For 4 months!!!

    Incidently I tried the diet once before when I was 18 - long before I was ever sick. I just had had recurrent Thrush for about 3 years and tried the diet to get rid of it once and for all with amazing results (Ie, it worked, no more Thrush at least - plus I felt absolutly wonderful after the first week!) Unfortunatly I messed up after a few weeks of the diet. I never went back to it due to the diet interfearing with my wonderfully full on social life... for the next 18 years, lol (geezzz!). It still will, but now I realise that 4 months of cleansing and dieting is just a piss in the ocean as far as time is concerned...

    I had testing done a couple of years ago and was told basically that I'm in perfect health EXCEPT for Candida. Candida is stopping all my bodies major organs from working properly, so I really have to do this! The Doctors also told me that I had the beginnings of Leaky Gut Syndrome because of it too - ugh, ick!

    So wish me luck! And everyone hope for me that come tomorrow I shall be feeling absolutly bloody awful, because that way I will know the diet is working!!! I am expecting and hoping in a really odd sort of way to feel so bad I wont be able to get out of bed until at least Monday so if anyone asks me anything I doubt I can answer until then. Lol, I hope my post makes sense and isn't just a long ramble, lol. Tally ho!

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    Best of luck!

    I've heard of that diet, and it sounds like one of the damn hardest eating regimes I've ever heard of. The benefits should be very very worth it in your case, no matter the hardship.

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    Stay strong, sistah. Keep coming back and reading the post you just made when you have moments of weakness. It remind you of why you started in the first place.

    Maybe also set up a kind of rewards system? Like do nice things for yourself when you reach certain milestones (ie: 1 week, 1 month, 2 months etc).

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    no pineapple???


    why does your system react so differently from everyone elses? why do you have an all over body yeast infection??? And why can't they give you like a big whopping concentrated treatment of diflucan? <---ps I know they can't but I'm just wondering how your body is so different.

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    GOOD LUCK!
    my sis in law (the sane one), had to do that diet becauase it was ravaging her system. it's worked! she is still on it for the most part. but she has to be careful or it will come back. she did a raw food diet for about 4 yrs..she's just now starting to eat cooked foods..but she can not eat bread or anything that may have yeast.





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    Quote Originally Posted by fancygirl
    no pineapple???


    why does your system react so differently from everyone elses? why do you have an all over body yeast infection??? And why can't they give you like a big whopping concentrated treatment of diflucan? <---ps I know they can't but I'm just wondering how your body is so different.
    Agreed.

    Have you ever had an HIV test? Thrush and fungal infections are very common symptoms.

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    OMG I thought I was the only one with this! Sucks, I had to do that diet too. Basically they told me mine was caused by way too much sugar, processed food, and junk. Soda, etc. It's hard for the first week or so, but after that it's fairly easy. I hope you feel better soon!

    When I had it, my dr. gave me a Rx for nizoral *sp?* to get rid of the yeast, however, the diet change is a must also, or it comes back.
    I believe you Dottie and you have my support

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    is there a website with this diet? I'm curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fancygirl
    no pineapple???


    why does your system react so differently from everyone elses? why do you have an all over body yeast infection??? And why can't they give you like a big whopping concentrated treatment of diflucan? <---ps I know they can't but I'm just wondering how your body is so different.
    My body probably doesn't react any differently to anyone elses. Heaps of people have undiagnosed candida problems. Not everyone ends up with Chronic Fatique Syndrome, but plenty of people do. Often people will have systematic candida but think their health problems are "normal" or caused by something else... And generally most people just want a quick fix for their ills, something that temporarilly aliviates the problem and they get by well enough doing things that way. Im not sure what the figures are for diagnosed candida, but Im sure I've read that at least a third of the population are estimated to have problems from it.

    One possible difference which helped me get diagnosed is that Im a health freak and do alot of reading about alternative health, healing and alternative treatments, so I knew about Candida and it's symptons etc and had read about how CFS is often caused by Candida. I'm also very picky with Doctors and only go to ones that have a clue about natural and alternative medicine. - Alot of regular Drs still dont believe that candida is really a problem aside from Thrush so I was careful about where I went for tests etc

    For the record they can give you large doses of Diflucan. It hasnt been available here for long though, it's an over the counter medication and it's $30.00 per tablet which is a bit steep to say the least, lol!!! My personal choice anyway is to not take prescription or over the counter medications unless absolutly nessesary.

    Lol, I am unsure about the pineapple! I shall avoid it for now as for the first couple of weeks I have to be extra careful. Probably a little is ok sometimes in a few weeks.
    Last edited by aussiepunkshocker; 09-27-2006 at 12:27 AM. Reason: I forgot about the pineapple! :-D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabrina
    Agreed.

    Have you ever had an HIV test? Thrush and fungal infections are very common symptoms.
    I know about the H.I.V. and candida thing but no, it's not H.I.V.

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    Thank you for the support Chloe, Ava and Sxybrat!

    Sxybrat, I thought about Nizoral as its a very low toxic drug and my Drs in Sydney said it wouldn't hurt to take it. Unfortunatly I couldnt get an appointment before I left Sydney so Ill see how i go without. (-:

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    Cool, good luck!

    I think I would like to do something like this soon- maybe I'll join you in the no-sugar-or-yeast club in a couple of weeks. I did the diet a few years ago, and while it was (insanely) difficult, I felt so healthy and vital.

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    Isn't shamanism or the placebo effect as it is known today a great thing?

    Before you all self-diagnose yourselves with various yeast-related illnesses you may want to check this out:

    http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...s/candida.html

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    Good for you, Aussie!! We were having a lot of symptoms of the candidiasis and so I put the whole family on the Body Ecology Diet. It was REALLY hard for the first week (all the "withdrawl" of sugars/carbs) because I was pissy, Makayla was temper tantrumy, and Joe was grumpy. But, now...I've noticed a BIG difference. I sleep better, my food digests better, I feel good, I look better. We've only been doing it a few weeks and already I've noticed how much better I feel on this eating plan.

    Also, it usually takes about 3 months to get to the point of having the candida completely starved off. So, don't lose heart before that!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by susan22
    Isn't shamanism or the placebo effect as it is known today a great thing?

    Before you all self-diagnose yourselves with various yeast-related illnesses you may want to check this out:

    http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...s/candida.html
    Yes, they would rather you go through a battery of tests and drugs to find that none of that works. So, before you believe studies that were most likely done by scientists who have their grants paid by big businesses and pharmaceutical companies, try changing your eating habits first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    Yes, they would rather you go through a battery of tests and drugs to find that none of that works. So, before you believe studies that were most likely done by scientists who have their grants paid by big businesses and pharmaceutical companies, try changing your eating habits first.
    I certainly agree that the pharma industry is putting their own interest first which is not keeping us healthy but selling us medication whether it is needed or not. However, I'm a little surprised that you are rightly criticizing them while at the same time signing up to the next miracle diet no questions asked which is unsubstantiated by any scientific evidence and solely pushed by the very people who stand to profit from it. And unlike the pharma industry which is regulated and has to deliver scientific proof of efficacy to an independent regulatory body before receiving permission to market a treatment the people peddling these diets refuse to submit themselves to such scrutiny, which alone should give you pause.

    As for starving candida to death, about 80% of healthy people carry candida on their mucuous tissue and it's not making them sick. Candidiasis is only caused by excessive growth of candida and required a deficient or at least temporarily weakened immune system to occur.

    Also be careful with Nizoral, it exhibits significan liver toxicity, causes Hepatits in 1 of 10000 patients who take it, and people have died from it.

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    I would much rather change my diet and see HOW I FEEL as opposed to buying the next "miracle pill".

    I find it hard to believe that the pharmaceutical companies are "regulated". There are LOTS of pills out there that never should have been because the pharma companies paid enough money and have enough "fingers" in the FDA's offices to push the drug through without proper trials/testing. I would much rather buy a book on nutrition and change my eating habits than trust a pill that was "approved" by the FDA...the same place that approved of companies to sell their products as trans fat free even if there is trans fat in the product. I will not buy a pill that while curing my "cough", I have a chance of getting heart failure, kidney failure, a ruined sex drive, ulcers, constipation, and possible eye failure. Of course, they have pills and treatments for all of the above mentioned side effects...except, of course, the one which is death.

    While 80% of the population has candida in the body (and candida IS beneficial to the body in small amounts) having TOO much candida is not healthy. You get too much candida by eating the foods that the vast majority of the population does. The Body Ecology Diet (and Nourishing Traditions...which is another great book) is about taking the processed foods out of your diet and substituting those foods with foods that are loaded with nutritional content and are not "processed". The vast majority of foods on the shelves/freezers today are so over-processed that they have no nutritional value. They are loaded with sugar to "taste" good (addiction) and they are filled with processed carbs to make you feel "full" but in the process of "making it good" they have effectively rid the food of the vitamins, minerals, etc. Homogenization and pasturization, while it killed off all the 'bad' bacteria also kills off the good bacteria. There is no nutritional value in store bought milk. Its all artificial.

    So, If it suits you to keep eating the unhealthy foods you want to eat "approved" by a government entity that has big business's financial health in mind, then that is up to you. I am not willing to do that. I will put my trust in my own intuition and gut instinct. All I know is that by changing the diet I USED to have (which wasn't BAD, but still not good) to this new diet...I can see changes within. I FEEL better. And, to me, that is more telling than any "scientific trial" that the so-called FDA would want to do with the plan. Even better, this eating plan does not cause nasty side effects.

    I laugh when you say that the "natural diets" don't want to open themselves up to the "scrutiny". When all the "testers" need to do is do the diet/eating plan and test it themselves.

    But, to each his own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by susan22
    I However, I'm a little surprised that you are rightly criticizing them while at the same time signing up to the next miracle diet no questions asked which is unsubstantiated by any scientific evidence and solely pushed by the very people who stand to profit from it.
    Since when is eating whole, fresh, unprocessed food and eliminating sugar a "miracle" diet? Sounds like healthy eating to me. I eat this way every day of my life and it has cured almost all of my depression, anxiety, and insomnia problems. My hypoglycemia is in check due to this diet. I think it's great that it helps someone with another problem.

    As VG said, she goes by how she feels. With results like ours, I'd say we were feeling pretty darned good.

    Aussie, good luck with this. I think you'll feel better than you ever have eating this way. Yes, you will feel crappy at first (those withdrawals are rough) but your body will thank you in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess
    I laugh when you say that the "natural diets" don't want to open themselves up to the "scrutiny". When all the "testers" need to do is do the diet/eating plan and test it themselves.
    Sheesh. I'm the last person to suggest popping pills to treat symptoms while staying on an unhealthy diet which is the actual root cause of the problems. My point is simply that most of those conditions that various "alternative medical advisors" try to make money off with unproven supplements, diets and books are easily avoided by making sure you are on a reasonable balanced diet in the first place. Then there is no need to go on any extreme diets which try to cut out any and all sugars and carbs which itself is anything but balanced.

    As for scrutiny, a scientific proof requires a little more than some "testers" experiencing a potentially purely placebo induced effect. It should make anybody suspicious how so many of these alternative medicine suppliers seem to be so afraid and try to avoid having their treatments exposed to a serious double blind study at all cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by susan22
    Then there is no need to go on any extreme diets which try to cut out any and all sugars and carbs which itself is anything but balanced.
    Wanted to point out that she is not cutting out carbs on this diet. She is cutting out carbs from processed grains. She will be getting plenty of carbs in the form of vegetables and whole grains which will also provide all the fiber she needs.

    And are you really going to tell us that we NEED to ingest sugar and white flour?

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    Some people think that low carb is dangerous and that those suggesting it should be shot! This stems from misinformation about the science behind the diet and ignorance about the diet itself. Like it's been said above, it's really about cutting out the uneccesary sugars and refined products. And eating lots of vegetables. And sufficient protein. And healthy fats.

    If you think about the nature of yeast/candida, you'll see reducing sugars and starches is the only logical dietary change to make.

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    Sugar in moderation is not unhealthy, although cutting it out completely is not going to hurt as the body can easily synthesize it from various starches. As for white flour, the body certainly doesn't need it. In fact until a little more than 100 years ago humanity lacked the blessing or rather curse of it.

    The point I'm trying to bring across is simply that if you follow a balanced diet you are unlikely to develop immune deficiencies and related fungal or bacterial conditions necessitating potentially dangerous meds like Nizoral or restricting yourself to strict diet regimes. A balanced diet doesn't necessarily mean banning any and all processed foods from the menu as long as they're consumed in moderation.

    I for one haven't been to any McDonalds or any other fast food place since moving to Europe a couple of years ago. I do eat lots of veggies, bread made from whole grains (easily found everywhere around here while often difficult and expensive to get in the US), unprocessed meats etc., but at the same time I do love to eat chocolate, ice cream, and cakes in all shapes and forms. And I do not consider that unhealthy as long as I do it in moderation and don't put on any additional weight because of it.

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    Following a "balanced" diet using processed foods? Impossible because along with all the lack of nutritional bases in them, they contain tons of additives and preservatives. Following a balanced diet using unprocessed, whole foods is completely different. The vast majority of people are trying the "processed food healthy eating" and wondering why its not working. I know I did for a while. I feel much better with this new eating plan. The food is great, it tastes better, my digestion is THOUSANDS better, I've got more energy, my skin looks better, my hair is silky again. While I was slender on my "balanced processed" diet, I didn't look as vibrant as I'm looking now (and no, its not my pregnancy).

    The vast majority of people suffer from sugar/carb addictions. Go look at the labels of US foods next time you go out. You cannot even get tomato sauce without corn syrup being added. Almost every form of food has some sort of sugar product in it to make it taste better. Its proven that processed sugar is highly addictive (and its why heroin addicts will eat tons of sugar when they cannot get heroin...it helps hold the withdrawl symptoms at bay). Most people cannot eat refined sugars and not feel withdrawl symptoms. Most people cannot eat refined sugar and not get a sugar high followed by a depressive crash. Even in moderation, sugar is not healthy for you. Its not healthy for your body. Does that mean you can never eat sweets again? No, you simply change the type of sweets that you eat. Fruit contains sugars that do not give you that roller coaster ride and your body utilizes it....your body does NOT utilize processed sugars. Using "natural" sweetners (like Stevia) will give you the sweetness without the side-effects.

    I have noticed that the vast majority of my cravings for sugars/carbs stemmed from candida. I still have some cravings for processed sugar, but using Stevia has tied me over just fine. And to be perfectly honest with you...I was apprehensive about the whole "candida" thing...until I just tried it. I wanted to try to change my diet before resorting to popping pills. Cutting out the processed foods, not needing to take vitamin supplements because it all comes from the variety of foods that we eat, seeing my daughter become more calm, sleep better at night, and be more vibrant after meals...its not something that ever would have happened with pills. Its all diet. Its all food.

    Don't knock something until you've tried it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by susan22
    but at the same time I do love to eat chocolate, ice cream, and cakes in all shapes and forms. And I do not consider that unhealthy as long as I do it in moderation and don't put on any additional weight because of it.
    Moderation is fine but don't think that because you don't put on any additional weight due to eating these foods that it's healthy.

    You can be thin/fat and thin/unhealthy.

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    I seem to have chronic yeast infections that occur every few months, or when I have sex with someone new. Do you think this sort of diet might be necessary in preventing the infections or is this something that might only help an overall body condition?

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